The Dream-up-Team-up

[Mr. Mu]

Hey folks,

Last night I had a dream where I found myself putting together photos with another photographymob member for a diptych challenge.

And when I woke up I thought that this was a nice idea by my subconscious...:D

So, why not create a collaboration challenge?
Let's have a topic discussion here and then people team up for a diptych and enter it in a different thread. We might or might not have a voting. Also, collaboration style does not need to meet specific expectations.
I think each team should work together the way they want and see to it that they enter one diptych image file.

What do you think?

[Nike]

I think I like this idea a lot :)

[purplerose]

I had to sign in when I saw this.

Count me in! :)

[someone]

Hey that does sound like a cool idea!

[Gentile]

I'm so in this sounds awesome!

[Mr. Mu]

great!

Let's hear a few topic suggestions. I think something that implies a twist or double meaning or juxtaposition (is that a word?) or ambiguity (argh... is *that* a word?) would be nice.

[purplerose]

Double meanings sound interesting to me.

[someone]

ambiguity is certainly a word.

who decides who's on who's teams?

[Gentile]

How about more depth to the idea?

[carolupus]

i like the idea

[Rhynome]

The problem with literary double meanings, as we have found before, is that not everyone is a native English speaker.

Actually, this was found before on a subject that didn't even have the potential for a double meaning - Rotting. People were upset that the topic chosen left very little open for variation, the only choice was photos of, well rotting things, but if you bend it a little (to Rotten) then there's a whole new World (rotten play, etc.), but sadly the board having non-native English speakers meant that that was very hard for people to pick up on; it just didn't come instinctively.

That's just neurotic scaremongering, though, I'd love to see this idea in action, cheers, Mr. Mu!

[carolupus]

as a non-native English speaker I'd say that doesn't have to be a problem. There are dictionaries after all, or just deliver the subject along with a definition or just choose an easy to understand one. there are quite a lot of words with double meanings.

[Mr. Mu]

How about more depth to the idea?

shoot!

hmm, well, double meanings are hard to get sometimes for me - and I consider myself a rather fluent non-native speaker.

Also, double meanings is just one possible topic range and maybe we don't actually have to be that specific. I mean, if we took some everyday term like "water" and let people have their way we'd get two views on water, anyway.
The idea behind double meanings or ambiguity was to put people on the work-together-before-you-shoot track.

As concerns teaming up... errr... I'll team up with the first one to send me a PM...

:D

[Rhynome]

Well, I'm sure whatever you choose should work, and if not, hey, it's a learning curve.

As for 'teaming up', anyone remember gym class and how you were always the last to get picked? This could bring back some bad memories...
How about, just to complicate things, everyone writes down who they're happy to be paired with (based on things like how well they know them [or how well they don't know them], how easy it would be to work with them [msn, etc.]) and then Mr. Mu (Murat, right?) pairs you up? Dictatorship is so much more efficient than direct democracy. The writing down who you want to be paired with wouldn't necessarily dictate who you do end up with, of course, and you don't have to write anyone down

I'm all up for being in on this, if I can manage it (I haven't been taking photos in a while and, well, I'm a bit incompetent on the whole, to be quite frankly honest) so sign me up!

[Mr. Mu]

Hey Rhynome,

I can pair people up based on their wishful thinking...^^

I'll start out by saying that I think I can work together with everyone who is interested.

I got
MSN (mkayi a.t. web.de)
and Skype (themuman)
(don't ask me about the pseudonym... everything else was taken)

a few topic suggestions (one ambiguous and the rest just terms I happen to pull out of my...sleeve):

- downhill
- all in one
- the road less travelled
- ying / yang (hehehehe... you saw it coming, didn't you?)
- synthesis
- the twin
- borderline
- membranes

My idea for good entries is that they can be more than just two individual takes on a common topic, framed into a single file. That would do of course.
But much more exciting as a viewer as well as a contributor and team is an entry where both parts depend on each other, in my opinion.

Just as a broad hint on how to approach this.
I mean, if there's no preparation like that you could after all just randomly pair entries of the normal challenge and call them diptychs, you know?

Rock on!

[Rhynome]

MSN & Google Talk: rozbert[at]gmail.com
I'm free to be stuck with anyone; it's whoever I get lumped with that I feel sorry for. Though I would like to be paired up with someone who's a bit new to the forums and preferably very new to photography - I think it'd be more fun that way; I'll search for some specific names and send them a request.

- Over the Top (a bit like border line, I suppose)
- Wealth

And... I'll come back with some more, I'm sure, bit pushed for time at the moment (trying to do ones which can be interpreted differently, to fit in with diptych, as for Wealth, well, it depends on what you value, beauty is in the eye of the beholder is what I'm hinting at).

[carolupus]

I don't have any special wishes who to team up with, I don't know you guys that well yet... I'd like someone more experienced though, I wanna learn! ;)

[purplerose]

Definitely agree on the standpoint that both images need each other to be complete.

As for a partner, umm... I like the newbie/oldie pair-up idea, but message me if you want to pair up or something.

I'm excited. :D

[Ment]

I like to join to, I don't mind who teams up with me, as long as I can learn from it.

*smile from ear to ear :D*

[purplerose]

I don't think anyone has any special wishes for partners, lol.

Make the teams Mr. Mu. :)

[Mr. Mu]

Here's a quick suggestion (short of time today... gonna check back in tomorrow and see if you're happy...:D )

no particular order. We don't have too many experienced folks around. Should someone feel they are in the wrong place, lemme know.

Mr. Mu - someone
Rhynome - carolupus
purplerose - Nike
Gentile(are you in, actually?) - Ment

Work with it. Decide on a topic!

cya
Mu

[someone]

Maybe since Rhynome "doesn't feel competent and doesn't get his camera out very often", and I feel the same way, I wouldn't be quite as intimidated if we were a team.

Does anybody have AIM? That's my IM service of choice, but I also have windows live.

Should the teams also depend on when people are usually able to have free time on the computer? I mean... I know there are people from all over the place on here. I'm usually on from about 8 to whenever (usually ends up being midnight or later), Central Time (US). If that doesn't match up with whoever I'm teamed up with, then we wouldn't ever really get to talk about it! I guess we could email back and forth...

[someone]

Oh I'm fine being with you Mu! I typed up that post as you were posting.

Topics!

[Valadilene]

Id like in, if theres any stray people who don't have partners yet. If everyone is already paired up I can sit it out.

[Mr. Mu]

Hi there,

I could squeeze in a bit of time again.

someone, I think it might turn out too hard to match timezones. Also, if anyone feels like teaming up differently just do so. It would be nice to announce your teams in here, so we know.

someone and me are team no.1 ...:D

I'll send someone a PM, now, with my communication data and then we shall see how we get started.
I suggest we collect further questions, ideas, requests, announcements and so on all in this thread, so everyone is notified.

I'll throw in some rules for you:

THE DREAM UP TEAM UP DIPTYCH CHALLENGE

1.
GOAL
have fun

2.
TEAMS
team up in pairs and communicate.

3.
OBJECTIVE
each team is to enter one image file containing a diptych reflecting on the topic chosen.

4.
THE WHEREABOUTS
a separate challenge thread will be set up soon where you can post your final entries.

5.
MANIPULATION
...is allowed.
It boils down to this:
Don't go and try to "get it right in the master", like a bad recording engineer would say. Instead, see to it that the music rocks.
Communicate in your team, think about what you want, clarify your concept, then plan, set up and compose your shot.
Then press the shutter.
If you find that the photo needs some manipulating after pressing the shutter... well... then do it. Manipulation is fine as long as you keep telling stories.

6.
DEADLINE
15th of April 2008
we have a lot of communicating to do. We need a bit of time for this.

7.
VOTING
When all is done, let's have a poll and decide on the best entry.

[Mr. Mu]

Valadilene, Gentile was rather quite and I don't know if she's in or not. You might try and pair up with Ment. First come, first served...:D

P.S.: Gentile, I'd love to see you in action, here. Get yourself a partner and get going!

[Rhynome]

P.S.: Gentile, I'd love to see you in action, here. Get yourself a partner and get going!

Were that said on any other forum, it would qualify you for an instant ban; I'm sure of it.

[Mr. Mu]

ROFL! :D

That is certainly not what I was thinking... so that would rather qualify you for a ban...

perv!

[Ment]

I got something that's called messenger here ;)
I live in the GMT +1 zone.

I'm happy to pair with Gentile.

[Rhynome]

THOUGHT POLICE, THOUGHT POLICE! Going to ban me for crimes of my imagination, are you?!

Well... fair play, really; you don't actually want my kind of mind lingering about the place, to be honest.

[Mr. Mu]

Don't forget the topic thingy, folks!

[Nike]

pm-ed purplerose :)

Regarding the topics - that's a tough one, I kind of like all of your suggestions.
My favourites are


- all in one
- the road less travelled
- ying / yang (hehehehe... you saw it coming, didn't you?) well, yes :D
- synthesis
- the twin
- borderline


eh, it's really hard... ;)

[carolupus]

yin and yang sounds great to me, because there's ample scope. I insist on the correct spelling though :p

[Rhynome]

I just fear that yin-yang will bring with it a whole load of photos consisting of black and white or inverse this and that and less of the metaphysical stuff (wow, I actually got to use 'metaphysical' in a practical sense, even though I probably used it entirely incorrectly [it was the nearest word to the one I'm looking for]!)
[/neurotic ramblings]

Though whatever topic is given I'm happy with, 'cos I just want photos, dammit! Also, time-frame? I mean, I know it may seem like quite a while, but maybe even something like 40 days?

1. 'Cos it's almost biblical:
"And lo, Murat looked out over Eretz HaAm-Photographit and spake, 'Lo, I have given to you a new photo challenge! This New Covenant, unlike the old of 7 days, shall be greater than any previous; unlike the Old Covenant of 7, the inefficiencies of which led it to crumble like the Walls of Jericho, this New Covenant shall last 40 days. 40, as many as the years in the wilderness and as many as the days fighting temptation; 40, as many as the days of the deluge and as many as the days that Elijah spent steadfast on to Har Hayeb!' And so shall be it."

2. It seems like quite a nice while, I mean 2 month may be pushing it a bit, but 30 or so days, well, people often have obligations by the month, so 40 opens it up for a little bit more of a margin of manoeuvre.

Or uh... whatever's good for everyone, I suppose.

[carolupus]

lol :D
that sounds so pseudo-biblical it's almost pratchett-esk :p

about yin yang: I thought about it more content-wise, not the graphic symbols themselves... but you could be right with your so-called neurotic ramblings.
So maybe it will take 40 days to decide for a subject and then another 40 days for teamwork...?

[purplerose]

Yay! This is exciting.

yin/yang
borderline
synthesis

Those 3 seem cool to me.

[Rhynome]

Marlene[?]; on this forum it'd take 40 days to decide whether it should take 40 days. That's why all the decision making ought to be left up to the almighty Murat on this issue.

Also The Colour of Magic film is frikkin' awesome, if ever you see it, has a brilliant Lord of the Rings parody feel in some parts (the cinematography), turns the whole fantasy World on its head; now I just really need to read the book of it... yes, I know, did it the wrong way round...

[klips]

Is it too late to get in on this? If anyone wants to join me, send me a PM or post in here. Please?

[daedicurus]

this sounds like a lot of fun

another topic given the nature of the challenge could be "time zones"

[Gentile]

Ooook it seems that I have been gone from this section of the forum for too long haha.
Anyone without a partner that wants one? I'm open! Send me a pm.

[Mr. Mu]

Rhynome,

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

TEAMING UP

following teams are ...uh ...teams:
Mr. Mu - someone
purplerose - Nike

following teams are still in suggestion state unless they announce otherwise in here:
Rhynome - carolupus
Gentile - Ment
Klips - daedicurus (as you both seemed to be looking for people to team up with...)

TOPIC:

*rumble of faraway thunder can be heard*
*the congregation silently gazes on the clouded summit*

Let's take yin / yang.

most people can connect to the idea and it's THE bivalent/unifying idea. Great material for a diptych.

Rhynome,
because of your elaborate prayers to the powers that be I hereby stretch the limit to the 22nd of April 2008 A.D.

I'll put up a thread for the final(!) images right now. Let's keep that thread clean of inquries and such. Instead we can keep those in here.

[Mr. Mu]

whoosh:
http://www.photographymob.org/forums/showthread.php?t=326

[carolupus]

Marlene[?]; on this forum it'd take 40 days to decide whether it should take 40 days. That's why all the decision making ought to be left up to the almighty Murat on this issue.

Also The Colour of Magic film is frikkin' awesome, if ever you see it, has a brilliant Lord of the Rings parody feel in some parts (the cinematography), turns the whole fantasy World on its head; now I just really need to read the book of it... yes, I know, did it the wrong way round...

Marlene it is indeed!

So it's out finally?? coool, I've been waiting for this so long, downloading right now. it's quite hard to get TV films from England/US or anywhere else except Austria and German here. Although there is a book about the whole film... And I managed to watch Hogfather, Soul Music and Truckers. Hogfather is really recommendable, and the book of Soul Music is just great. You should definitely read The Colour Of Magic, it's one of the first in the Discworld series. But actually I could recommend them all.
stop of fan-girl rambling now... but I just love that humour :D

[Nike]

heh, you're not alone - I love Pratchett's humor as well :D

and yay for yin/yang!

This is going to be soo much fun :)

[Gentile]

Alright I'm with Ment.

[klips]

Oh man, I was too slow to get Gentile! Dammit, I'm still alone, some better PM me too :(

[Ment]

I believe daedicurus is still looking for someone ;)

[alucard]

i think i'll try this one ... it should be fun and challenging

count me in...and team up me with anyone, i promise i'll be a good teammate

[someone]

I believe daedicurus is still looking for someone ;)

I highly doubt daedicurus is looking for me ;) hehehe

[Mr. Mu]

daedicurus or Klips! Don't forget to let us know when you teamed up!

Alucard: I think we all teamed up so far. This means: get anyone else to join in and team up with you! Hurry up! And tell us in here when you're done!

[ukanfoff]

koo :D:D:o:o

[Mr. Mu]

*takes alucard by the hand*

alucard, let me introduce you to ukanfoff...
RECOMMENDATION:
Hey everybody.
I don't know if you know mindmapping. This is how I tried to explain it in an email I sent to someone...(a certain someone, lol)

It's a wonderful way to arrange your thoughts while you are brainstorming (alone or in a team).
It works better than lists, because when being creative, working down a list is an obstacle to networked thinking.


So, an ideal tool for figuring out what to do when you got no clue.

For Example, in the attachment there's my mindmap I did in freemind, a free and really easy to use mindmapping tool. (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page):

[daedicurus]

I highly doubt daedicurus is looking for me ;) hehehe

you never know... but maybe we should take it slow :)

[klips]

Daedicurus and I are TEAM AUSTRALIA (for lack of a bettter name). GO TEAM!

[someone]

Hahahahahahaha wowww that was just a tiny bit awkward XD

Mu: your email must've gotten lost in my spam folder... usually emails from real people don't go to spam in the address I sent you. :( I'm going to PM you with a different email address to use

[Mr. Mu]

Lol, AUSSIE DIPTYCH POWER!

someone,

kay... in the meantime I'll send you the email via PM

[Mr. Mu]

hey,

our team's been a bit slow in response this week and I have been wondering if anyone else needs a bit of extra time on the deadline?

[carolupus]

that would maybe not be such a bad idea...

[Gentile]

I vote extra time.

[purplerose]

I vote extra time as well... two research paper deadlines were extended. Also, not counting the gum bichromate project due next friday and a Van Dyke brown project due Tuesday. x_x

[daedicurus]

i agree, works under way but it's taken longer than expected

[alucard]

so ..ho is my team mate ...i'm a bit confused

please send me a privet message with the name of my designated partner.

cheers.

[someone]

Yeah Mu... I'm really sorry :( but extra time would be good.

I can't seem to find... "what I'm going to take a picture of" if you know what I mean. :-/ I'll come up with something though if I have enough time

Another thing that's been "interfering" is that I had a national piano competition just yesterday that I've been working my butt off for (and I won! I got a cool $600 out of the deal too). And I'll be gone out of town and away from camera all week this week until Sunday.....

[Mr. Mu]

I had a national piano competition just yesterday that I've been working my butt off for (and I won! I got a cool $600 out of the deal too).

Holy shit, man - congratulations from the bottom of my heart! I know what kind of dedication a musical challenge takes. Great job!

Everyone,

let's keep things relaxed and comfortable for us all: Deadline is hereby prolonged til 13th of May!

alucard, I think I suggested you team up with ukanfoff? You may want to contact him and ask him if he's still playing...

[Ment]

I can also use the extra time, although it's only getting busier with all those exams ;)

[runes]

i dunno if there's still an opening, or someone needs someone to pardner up with, but i'm down for a challenge.

i'm a noob, but i think this couldbe some good experience, especially if it's with someone with some l33t skills

[klips]

So uhhhhh deadline has come and gone. I haven't heard from anyone, especially my team-mate after I sent him my image (hint hint ;) ). Are we going to just call it a dead comp and not go further?

[Mr. Mu]

Hello everyone,

I have been very ill all may (had to have two surgeries) and am back from hospital only since last saturday.

I was thinking about the challenge (in between the freaking pain and the surgeries and the cursing, i.e....^^) and was hoping you'd be setting up a voting thread for a full-to-the-brim-challenge-thread.

But, alas...

So, don't know what to do right now. I'll be reconvalescent for another two weeks so I'll not be able to participate, unfortunately...

[purplerose]

I think this has been a rough month for a lot of us. I'm still job-less... sorta... :(

Come back to us in one piece Mu, so you can scold us better. :)

[VenomVindicta]

Can I play too? (:

this is exactly what i needed to get off my ass and do something.

If theres anyone who wouldn't mind being lumbered with me, of course...