April 5th, 2013, 04:21 PM
Help me please
I wanna make this picture better what can I do? I wanna define shapes better and and maintain a 3d aspect
April 5th, 2013, 04:46 PM
Two things that I noticed are that the painting lacks depth in value, and his posture could be tweaked a little.
I did a quick paintover to show what I mean, hope you don't mind.
I put my paintover next to a desaturated version of yours.
By adding more values you can define shape much better, as well as show the mood of the painting.
I changed the angle of the head because it underlined the unnatural way his head is twisting around.
I personally like to work in greyscale at the start of a painting and then add color to it later, I think it helps to keep an eye on values.
I hope that this is helpful. Good luck, and keep on working!
April 5th, 2013, 05:41 PM
Holy fuck, you are amazing. Thank you for the visual aid, you're completely right.
April 5th, 2013, 10:56 PM
Took me a while but did I do good?
April 6th, 2013, 12:13 AM
Don't stop, definitely start putting in some more details. The reason hers looks good is because she understands some of the underlying parts of the body so it looks convincing and disturbing when she twists the zombie's head like that. I would study up on what the back's muscles consist of. From the get go the deltoids, trapezium, lats and infruspinatus would show. I think if you studied these things and knew where to put the values that it would pop out of the image like hers. You just probably need to look up the answers. So yeah, reference.
I would look up emaciated people, dead people, really skinny women, images of thin sinewy people that disturb you. (Here are some 1,2,3,4)
And I would work in grey scale from this point too, then worry about color.
April 6th, 2013, 07:35 PM
Also, stop using a soft brush. Use a hard edged brush and medium opacity - it will force you to be more specific with your shapes and the planes of the body - you'll have to think harder but it will look better in the end!
April 6th, 2013, 10:57 PM
You mean on edges like for example around the tongue and stuff like that right? Anything over 0.5 in opacity is like a solid block of color even with one stroke.
April 7th, 2013, 12:13 AM
No, hard edged brush for everything. Adjust the opacity down a bit if you need to blend. It's important to think about *why* you are putting down paint in a particular spot - in a figure what plane is in that spot, how is it turned to the light or shadow, what muscle is or isn't there, etc
April 10th, 2013, 06:46 PM
I converted to grayscale used hard brush with 100%-1% opacity, I haven't worked on his neck or back at all because I'm still studying back muscles.
How am I doing?
April 10th, 2013, 06:48 PM
oh god I just realized this still has hardly any values.
April 16th, 2013, 12:11 PM
You are definitely getting the idea. These are really hard things that you are working on, so don't get discouraged.
It can take a long time to get used to using a hard brush. I use it with a pressure sensitive wacom tablet, which helps a lot. Do you have a tablet?
To get more value in there, I would use multiply layers to add some shadowing, and then use a normal layer with a very bright value, or a overlay layer.
It is easier to do than just using normal layers, but you can do pretty much the same thing if you just pick the right values and opacity.
I would suggest looking at some black and white photos with a nice value range.
Here is one http://www.portrait-photos.org/photo/29005.html
That is actually a fantastic website for portrait photography. I like to go there for face reference, and composition inspiration.
Do you have a sketchbook here? I found having a sketchbook to be very motivating, mostly because I can look back at my progress.
Good luck again Franco, and keep learning! I'll stop by again to see your progress and maybe give some more advice!