I really like the texture of the kimono girl ^___^. Shes also really pretty o___o
And no I wouldn't recommend still lives to work on values because you also have to deal with color and all that other stuff. Focus on one thing at a time for practice, though still lives are great for training your eye with multiple things ( like color, edges, values as well, patience ahehehe )I'd still just recommend the B&W portraits for you. Also thinking about how an object works in space is really good practice. That might be your problem too, think about everything as being in 3dimensional space, think about how an object has volume and form. Light and shadow only act certain ways due to the shape of that object. Why not practice basic geometric shapes and shading that? Okay good luck and keep this workin' up
@Pou - Hey you! Thanks, but not my type Haha jk. Thanks for the good advices! Yeah, I need to do still lives anyway, haha. I don't do enough studies of what I should do, life drawing, still lives, anatomy etc...i just have too much fun painting! D:
@Falcon - Thanks that means a lot! I will! :o
@Buxu - Wow thanks a lot but I am not good lol
Here's some random crap
hey dude, nice work you got here, and nice improvement. i really like the faces.
there's been some talk here about working with values. if you're interested in learning lots about values, and the Reilly method, there's a REALLY excellent book called "Values For Pictures Worth a Thousand Words" by Apollo Dorian. i just got it recently, and it's really great! i don't know what the shipping would be to scotland, but if you can get it i would highly recommend it. anyway, i'll be here again; keep up the great work!
Thanks man! Everyone seems to like the faces, haha...OK THEN MORE FACES IT IS!
No but seriously I need to learn some other stuff too.
Wow, I read about that book! Hard to get a hold of yeah! Also it's pretty heavy isn't it? Like, a lot of information to grasp? But wow it would be amazing to have that. Gimme! I pay lot money. Pls. But honestly I have so much books I need to get through, where did you get your copy from?
Here's something new. Trying to make my faces more expressive and have more character.
originally, you could only get the book from the author himself, by sending a check. Mr. Dorian has since passed on, but his family is still publishing the book. they've made it available on Amazon, so that's where i got it from. it's 278 pages, paperback, and it's about as thick as Michael Hampton's "Figure Drawing: Design & Invention" book. it's got soooo much information in it, and out of all the art books i have, it's definitely one of the top ones that i'd recommend, so if you can pick it up, i HIGHLY recommend it.
it's great to see all the lovely hard work. keep it up, dude. cheers!
Thanks man, I had a look on Amazon, it's kind of expensive but I will definitely try to get it! ALso thanks for the hard work.
This was an utter bitch to do. I wanted to try a painting without adjusting the levels for my values, but i just couldn't get it right. Then my proportions were all wrong, it was so depressing having to fix it half way through, I wanted this to be quick! Uhh. I find it so irritating that it takes me so long to get to a result I'm happy with. I ended up changing the levels, I feel like it's cheating but yeah, I'ma keep truckin' on!
Some stuff, trying out different things
HAH you're funny XD. Ah yes. I have too much fun imagination painting as well. BUTTTT You must balance it out boo
.... So I was thinking. I love your faces and you said you were practicing for more emotion. I think in your case, more is better.
I think you should ( if you can ) up the quantity of work youre doing with that. Do a bunch of facial practices! A BUNNCHHHH!!
because while your faces are aesthetically pretty, they tend to be stiff and not very emotive.
As well as in similar-like angles ( that you are comfort zone with ) And I know you realize this ahha you said so
a bunchhhh of muscle/bone studies of the face will help you become more familiar with why/how function.
So less outter appearance studies and more structure/inside based ones please!!
I'll stop with too much advice for now. Don't want to overlaod you D:
Keep up the sexyness
Thanks for the advice Pou! I think I'm going to start some serious study soon, skulls and muscles seems like a good place to go. I mean I've got to this point with real half assed study. If I took a leaf out of your book then that would only be good for me! I'm trying to increase my workload anyway, so this is on the agenda!
Before all that though, here's some stuff from last night, experimenting with different styles
Great progression through your SB. your latest stuff is tighter, yet looser. you clearly have more confidence now to make looser marks and it looks great.
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Thanks Cris! That means a lot.
Here's some random scribbles..
Goat Queen, don't ask..
Indian pirate? Seems legit.
Recent paint, just experimenting, need to focus more on getting proportion right from the start otherwise you're sitting there forever trying to fix errors that shouldn't have been there!
Aaaand I'm doing faces again. God this needs to stop.
Wip I'm working on. Ugh face structure is such a bitch! Having to correct so much shit as I'm going along makes me tear my hair out, loomis pls.
Update on this one.
Last portrait for a while, going to go back to basics.
Uhh, struggling for motivation and struggling to get into any kind of routine. Feel useless.
Here's some practice stuff. Girl sketch, lion for Daily spitpaint but hated it so tried to take it further but still terrible. Nothing like what i had in mind. And messing with form.
Uhh, I'm depressed. I restarted the colour SO many times. I am going straight back to basic/fundamentals/now..I've tried to skip way too many things. I know the values aren't right yet I just..I just can't get it right! If i go darker it just looks wrong. Ah maybe I should go do some still lifes or something?
It looked better with the lines. Any attempt at 'painting' just seemed to go wrong, this was the best effort of a lot of bad attempts. I just can't visualise what I need to do. I think this is down to lack of skills.
Hey suda, sorry to hear you are feeling the frustration.
I've got some advice that will hopefully help you through this... if you try it.
Step 1. Listen to my previous advices in post # 117, 121, 130.
Step 2. Repeat and refresh step 1 for the entirety of your art career
Step 3. You're dead.
Haha okay, I hope you get my point. I'm not going to give you any new advices until I see you trying the things I mentioned. Values are the most important step to creating the form and structure of anything in life. Now of course you should not always follow what other people have to say... if you think you know what will help you more than what I've mentioned, go ahead and do that. You know you best... but its nice to have a guide in the right direction alot of times.
If you were trying to climb a ladder, but instead of climbing with your arms you are using your mouth to climb the steps.. it's going to take you much longer to get to the top right? Don't keep using the same tactics, try something different if you aren't satisfied with where you are at and what you're getting out of it. And instead of feeling shitty, try it at least.
About your last post, you mentioned the values are off...Yeah. I simply changed the color to value to show the immense difference.
Diffused lighting is so insanely difficult to paint and make look three dimensional. I also believe you won't learn alot out of it, try some hard shadows + lights
You said it looked wrong when you went darker... stop drawing what you think is right and start drawing what you see. It's that simple. Your ability to see is not good enough to start making your own judgements like that. That's what studies are for, improving that ability. Just eyedrop sometimes the values to see if you were off during practice.
In addition, get away from faces. You think you know faces well and it's why you enjoy studying them more than other material, but that's a setback. Do a study of something completely unknown to yourself and concentrate on only seeing the value of the object and defining it that way.
Another thing... GET AWAY FROM COLOR. I can't advise this to you enough. Your colors are so insanely off and so are your values. Because of this your colors will never look correct as they are and you won't be able to get past this point if you don't study value first. Do color studies after your ability to gauge value increases
How to improve value and the way you see it:
-Start LARGE blocks of value to -> small. Thinking about surface and planes while doing so
-"color pick" after doing your version of the value study to check often how off you are.
-Stop thinking of an object as an "eye" or some body parts and instead copy what you see
-Think of the values not as line, but instead as light and shadow
- Question why something looks the way it does. And try to figure it out.
This will help you to improve in your values and proportions.
Just try and get away from faces. If drawing faces is really fun for you, try cutting your practice with them down by at least half and do simple objects
I'm harsh in this comment because I need to get across that in my opinion,
this is what will help you the most, so please try and keep what I've mentioned in mind.
Edit: I just realized I might have been too harsh?I just am thinking it might be better to tell you what I've discovered after trying to figure out by myself...hoping to save you lots of time and frustration for you haha :I. Don't want to make you more frustrated as an end result though. Try to stay happy and do what makes you happiest, as that will be what keeps you drawing. Don't burn out!!
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Thanks Pou for the detailed reply! Well I spoke to you on Facebook about it but no worries you were definitely not being harsh! You pointed out some really important things! Don't think I'll be touching colour in a while! Well I'm going to make sure I sketch every day and try and post something every day aswell, be like alpenfleger! Haha. Back to basics from now on. Thanks so much though for taking the time out to comment, I'll take everything you say on board and become AWESOME. (maybe)
Only got some sketches to show, been reading through a chiaroscuro book and drawing book as well, trying to get back to those basics. Been trying to do the technique of KSE, you'll find him on deviantart. His sketches are so amazing, such an ability to convey form with simple lines. Well, I tried. I also was playing a little dark souls, i love that kind of stuff, can't wait till I'm real good and can do stuff like that, but here's some dark souls kind of attempts, lol. I also really need to start on figure drawing, my attempts at the moment could be better. Will post more tomorrow, that's when the serious stuff starts!! But I'll try and do these warm up sketches when I can, and YES POU I KNOW THERE'S FACES BUT IT WILL BE LIMITED I PROMISE!