# Thread: Old man face. Acrylic and oil

1. ## Old man face. Acrylic and oil

Hey so I'm trying out this new thing with acrylic where I water it down and try to keep as much of the paper showing through as possible, to get a kind of water color effect.
Heres the painting

There's something bugging me about the eye. I think it's that I'm not doing the eye lid correctly but I'm not sure.

I'm using this picture as reference but not trying to replicate it.

EDIT: I've just realized I also probably need a picture picture. I'll try and get one tomorrow.
Last edited by TheDonQuixotic; February 24th, 2012 at 04:17 PM.

2. Originally Posted by TheDonQuixotic
There's something bugging me about the eye. I think it's that I'm not doing the eye lid correctly but I'm not sure.
Well, it's completely the wrong shape. That could be a problem. You are still doing eyes as symbols, one arc above, one arc below, a dot in the middle and call it a day. But an eye is actually a 3D sphere with 3D eyelids folded over it. You might want to try getting some reference photos where you can clearly see the model's eye and instead of drawing the flat shape that you see in the photo, try to extrapolate the 3D shapes that are lying under the whole thing. Draw the eyeball under the skin, put construction lines in to show it's a sphere, and then build the eyelids and iris on top of it.

Until you understand the 3D-ness of what you're drawing it's all just going to be flat shapes. At that point you might as well cut them out of paper.

3. I can not see the image

4. Originally Posted by vineris
Well, it's completely the wrong shape. That could be a problem. You are still doing eyes as symbols, one arc above, one arc below, a dot in the middle and call it a day. But an eye is actually a 3D sphere with 3D eyelids folded over it. You might want to try getting some reference photos where you can clearly see the model's eye and instead of drawing the flat shape that you see in the photo, try to extrapolate the 3D shapes that are lying under the whole thing. Draw the eyeball under the skin, put construction lines in to show it's a sphere, and then build the eyelids and iris on top of it.

Until you understand the 3D-ness of what you're drawing it's all just going to be flat shapes. At that point you might as well cut them out of paper.
Thanks. I actually know what you mean, even though I am apparently having trouble here. The whole symbol thing. I've understood, and I don't usually have too much of a problem when sketching but when working in this wateredown medium I'm not entirely sure how to highlight. Is that what I need to do? Before I painted I sketched out the eyelid etc, but then when I washed over it the acrylic and everything turned into a simplified circle. If I went in and tried to rehighligh the areas where the eyelid was, would that help? I think I'm going to try this in photoshop as a quick way of doing it.

Originally Posted by Kino_PuA
I can not see the image
Just click it
Last edited by TheDonQuixotic; February 24th, 2012 at 04:18 PM.

5. Originally Posted by TheDonQuixotic
Just click it
And it says invalid attachment. Just attach it again.

6. sorry. It was working for me. Now I fixed it.

7. Aaaah yes. Now I see what you mean Vin. I took it in photoshop. It's not just a highlights issue. I've also not allowed enough room for the brow. With no room between the brow and eye, it gives no room for the lid and sunken in part of the brow. Thanks

8. Originally Posted by TheDonQuixotic
Aaaah yes. Now I see what you mean Vin. I took it in photoshop. It's not just a highlights issue. I've also not allowed enough room for the brow. With no room between the brow and eye, it gives no room for the lid and sunken in part of the brow. Thanks
Yeah, accuracy is important too. Another thing is that the eye is quite large, it's nearly as large as the man's mouth and that's way too big.

9. Originally Posted by vineris
Yeah, accuracy is important too. Another thing is that the eye is quite large, it's nearly as large as the man's mouth and that's way too big.
Right. I should have sketched this out more beforehand. If I reduce the eye size I might be able to have enough room for the brow and stuff. However, with the nature of the acrylic, I'm not sure if I can do that without using white paint which might end up ruining the piece, since I was trying experiment with using the color of the paper for lightness. I think I'm going to just do some more experiments with this and then start over.

10. This fixes some of the problems but not all. There's also a problem with the nose and the area under the nose and above the mouth. Also issues with how his wrinkles are rendered. And that mouth is bugging me! Argh. I should have rendered it apart from the beard first. Without the ability to erase I'm going to have to just move on and do another piece like this. Good experiment though. Here's what I corrected in PS.

This picture is super tiny. Next time I'm going to take a photo with my DSLR. It might be kind of cool to do a mixed media with digital and acrylic. I love the texture of working with real paper, but theres some great flexibility with digital.