Do you consider it to be a real art site or just a place for whiny teenagers?
Do you consider it to be a real art site or just a place for whiny teenagers?
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You know technically you’re no longer a teenager after you turn eighteen, but in modern days the immature mentality remains in some till the late 20s.
DA has good artists and resources, but a lot of crap as well. Just look at the good stuff and ignore the bad and it should be no problem
Also lay off the semicolons, it makes you look dumb
I think dA fail in ways although its design and message system both looks and funktions great, the mods are great there aswell...
the point is, unfortunately theres a lot of theft and a bad attidude towards critism in general, I started my art adventure there
and in my oppinion a place for people with a lot of skill can get exposure... That said its a selfish place and there is way, way
to many people there screaming for attension IMO.
If you're looking for an alternativ to this site there are worthy candidates sure... But Ca.org is still unique.
Depends on what parts of the website you visit. There's a lot of good work and good artists on there. There's a lot of bad artists and bad work on there. There's a lot of both who want honest critique, and a lot more IMO who just want .
Forums are a tossup, it's nice to have such unrestricted communication in a forum format sometimes, but other times it's just too much.
Like anything, DA is what you make of it.
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Deviantart isn't for improving, it's for displaying and talking to people. Some people are young or immature, and when they speak it comes out. That doesn't mean everyone is though, because not everyone speaks to everyone or is friends with everyone.
CA.org and DA are two very different art communities.
While I wont dispute the existence of excellent artwork there, I doubt much of it actually originates from the DA community, which is aptly described by ED as a "circle jerk hugbox".
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I think people are too hard on dA. It's a nice place to hang out at if you have some friends and you can easily find some pretty skilled artists there.
It's not the pinnacle of communication or artist education but what website is?
I hate the birdshit green color but it's just a website. It made it a lot easier to host or post artwork vs geocities or the tripod days. I do own my own domains and such but man...updating pages with a script was a pain. DA was just around that time and built themselves to be useful in that regard.
I think DA is not a place by design for whiny teenagers, but the fact is that whiny teenagers find other whiny teenagers they get along just fine. Just the same, improving students will get on with their other improving student buddies. But I think DA has lost the sense of a community as a whole because it's user base demographic has grown so cosmopolitan.
I don't mean cosmopolitan in terms of Race or culture, but in attitudes and art styles. Y'know, Fur artists have their own little niche's, so do emotional artists, so do fine artists and so do assholes and trolls. For Comparison, CA has always appeared to maintain an 'improve and practice' and 'professional work' attitude, which has kept everyone under it's banner in the same boat. While those are still very blanketed concepts, at least CA does have a sense of itself. It's great to know that almost every second thread here has Arshes Nei and Elwell contributing, and very occasionally, Jason... You'll never see that on Deviantart.
I like DeviantArt. There are a lot of communities on there that you don't find here on CA.org. Of course, some of those communities are pretty juvenile and awful, but others I find quite interesting, like the paleo-art and speculative evolution communities. I've met some very interesting people on DA, and had some very rewarding conversations with them. The idiots and whiny teenagers generally keep to their own circles, and are pretty easy to ignore. At least, that's been my experience.
If you're a freelancer then you should be on deviant art(and every other art site). My experience using the site has been awesome. No hate for deviant art. Love the ease of use and huge ability to network. I've had the chance to connect with loads of professionals through the site.
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Deviantart is just a place to get your work out there and find more clients to work with. It's not a place to find some crits and stuff, but I do see that the mods are trying to encourage their users to do crits. However, most people there frowns upon crits.
I've been one to "sip da haterade" in the past on DA but honestly I've never had any negative experiences with the place. It's true that the people that come here from there can occasionally be overly defensive about their work, but we shouldn't chastise their "immaturity" (in quotations because calling their behavior immature is judgmental in it's own right) because for the most part we've all been there and they'll either grow out of it, or grow out of art as a whole. Sometimes there can be a bit of an elitist feel here, which hasn't really bothered me that much until recently.
Some people like to get critiques, but others don't want them. In the same area, some don't enjoy GIVING critiques, either.
If people like DA, who gives a shit?
p.s. This is not hypocritical, as I'm trying to redeem myself.
DeviantArt is great. There are lots of great works there.
Most of the complaints I see mentioned here is about their community. My advice - don't read the text and just enjoy the art.
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It's like a big industrial city compared to a small town, like CA. There are a lot of opportunities and people, but also a lot of crap. If you are one of the few lucky (and skilled of course) people, you can get 1 million views... even 8 like Artgerm. Views do not mean success, but having you work noticed by so many people is a good business if you want to make a name as a freelancer. Some people feel better in the small town, others, usually younger, like the big shiny city. Just make sure to stay away from some shady districts.
I kinda feel like dA is a socialising site (much like fb or somesuch) for people who happen to like to draw/take pictures. Nothing wrong with that though it could've been more. And as some said, good exposure. I just wish I hadn't had that dA-teen phase. You know, the one where I drew primitive anime mary sues and thought I was the shit. I once, some years back, ended up here and after some what I perceived as lashing comments decided it's full of snobby assholes and vowed never to return. But in all honesty, that phase really hindered my development and I almost gave up on art and I suspect I'm not the only one who's had that effect.
So as an older and perhaps wiser person I like dA for what it is but for a freshling, it's not the best place to start (and so many do) fo it presents you with a very faulty sense of reality.
I don't really think DA is the problem. Many younger artists start off there because it's so mainstream, and even I admit to drawing some pretty crappy things when I just started out, but the fact is through DA I learned how to discern between the teeny-bopper popularity crap (Rimfrost, anyone?), and the really good stuff, which eventually led me here a few years back.
For every few hundred furry artists and "it's my style!" criers, there are people like Jason Rainville who can make people stop and think about what it is they want to create.
Besides, DeviantArt has helped me keep in contact with local artists, keep my work in a place it won't get lost, and find some really good resources for design work. As for my own personal growth and skill development, I expect nothing from that side, which is why I stay here.
At the end of the day it's not each site on its own that causes the problems, but how they interact - kids from DA will come here expecting this to be DA and that is what leaves the negativity.
I wrote a paper on it last year for uni, and one of the things that does really bug me about DA is that I feel there may be a negative influence as far as copyrights goes - tracing, copying, and outright stealing is something that can happen on DA very easily, and for many of the younger designers or illustrators, it makes it seem like it's a grey area, because it happens so often. And hey, if they can get away with it on their DA where anyone can see it, why not try it for their work, right? Hopefully it's a bit better now, but even down here in dark Africa I've run into problems with fellow students who have copied off DA and been praised for it. =(
Guys.... I feel... conflicted...
This thread made me look up s.... sna.... snr.sr.... *HURL* Snapesnogger, and I came across this in her gallery...
I actually think this image is pretty alright. o_O...
Then I saw this
Sorry, on topic I think dA is fine though. Met some great artists locally on there and it's been great to keep in touch with them.
(note, I actually do think that lizard pic is pretty good compared to what I was expecting before seeing)
I think it's a great site. Sure, there are pages and pages of tween anime artwork, but there are some genuine inspirations there, for example this person:
Hot damn look at those colors.
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