Good work on the reference shot. Now you just need to make the likeness of your subject and your ref shot work together. Put that type of light on your subject and you have it. Not and easy thing to do, but that is what drawing is all about.
Keep at it and you will get it!
You did yourself a favor by picking Nick Cave, mainly because he has a face that is good to draw! How can you go wrong with a head like that! Kind of like Tom Waits!.
I like idea number 7. Seems like you could do a lot with that one. It read something like: He looks like a dark mysterious bad-ass but is really romantic inside. I paraphrased.
That has tons of possibilities. Be sure and get a clear point of view in your head as you draw.
As all of you work, be sure to make a statement, make me see the intent. In reference to any of your subjects, make me love them, hate them, feel bad for them, what ever..... just make me see or feel something!
I like your basic ideas a lot. I cropped one of your sketches because it seemed so powerful. I did a little bit of a paint-over to give you a little more empty space around his head. His head and face are so iconic just because of the shape and values of the hair, beard, etc. The values YOU choose will play into this image a lot. Dark hair on a light background, light hair on a dark background, etc.
If you use the upper portion around his head to portray some of the "damaged mind" ideas you had, perhaps bordering on the psychedelia that he may have been involved with using drugs, I think that could be a place to start.
Cropping this way lends to the likeness, but gives you the "head" area to place your other elements or pictorial treatments to state your idea.
Just thinking out loud a little bit. Maybe you have other ideas you are already pursuing. I suppose this composition could be cropped even tighter. If you like this as a start, see what else you can do with it.
Sterling: Thank you so much! I'll get back to the drawing board, as the 3D element got me to thinking of a more traditional (I know...3d leading to traditional?) approach. Although when you mentioned Mayan Gold, I immediately thought of Cameron as Indiana Jones swapping an Oscar statue for a globe (representing the world.) But I think that's my inner cartoonist.
JHuntsman: Your thumbnails are awesome. I've kept wanting to mention that especially on how polished they look. Looking forward to your final as the sketch looks great. But one thing...I think if you add some more pounds on your Jack the likeness will be better. He's looking thin.
So much great stuff in here, it's extremely motivating!
Awesome effort on the advices Sterling, I was wondering how much input we will get from instructors on the forum and I am deeply impressed right now!
We get some good photography knowledge in university Brent and it is actually a very fun hobby which I can only recommend to check out for everyone else here.
Some progress on NPH:
I got back and forth on my reference, trying to apply the lighting of my own shots with the ref of Neil Patrick Harris himself. Have to admit I never really used reference like that before and it somehow increases ones observation of several things I simply couldn't do from imagination.
Noah Bradley- I think the Where's Waldo idea says everything very simply.
Want to see someone become a master? (My Sketchbook)
i wanted to make a portrait of Michael Jordan (i chuckled a bit when Brent and John mentioned him in last night's class).
i'm still stuck on the ideation part, but i want to communicate his ferocious motivation and dedication to whatever he did. (thanks Sterling, the extra research did pay off).
i looked at some Sports Illustrated covers that had him and most of them were photographs of him slam dunking or making jump shots (and usually he had a very fierce look on his face). thumbnails coming soon!
Thanks for the thoughts, Brent!
I think I'll go for your idea of layout, and put some characters over his head, going from psychedelia to comic characters left to right, maybe making them a part of his hair like Sterling suggested
Here's a test of the composition, I think I'll maybe tilt his head a little to the right, just to make it a little less symetrical, and a bit further from one of the grayscale reference pic's. Bottom shot is my beloved father.
Finally got a little time to post something today....my subject(s) is Kim Kardashian and Reggie bush...
I like the ones at the top right and bottom left
I only have 4 right now, but i intend on putting up more later today
Moderators critiques as well as students are appreciated...
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The days that you don't want to, are the days you have to. Be a step ahead of yourself.
Fenrysk, I like your process...writing down all the things that make you think of Jordan to begin...gets the mind churning! I need to incorporate more of that in my own!
The days that you don't want to, are the days you have to. Be a step ahead of yourself.
Thank you Sterling for the great advice and comments in this forum. I am in the half of my work and I put my progress so far.
James cameron and his dragon.
Thanks for the ideas Sterling.
Okay, few more thumbs, refined the ones I like just a little. I'm still liking the pretty serious and simple one I came up with first. Maybe just me liking the one I first liked, I dunno.
Your sketches at this point have one main issue:
They are half and half.
They are equal parts of both or either subject. You need to make something DOMINATE over the other. That is the same with every aspect of picture making.
It concerns value: Make the image more dark than light, or more light than dark.... but never equal parts of both.
It concerns color: Make your image either warm or cool. Make it predominately a certain color or temperature....but never equal parts of both.
It concerns composition: Make something in your image the star, the most important; let everything else be tertiary to that.
Dominance plays a role in all aspects. Your image can be divided 60/40 or 80/20 or 90/10, but 50/50 rarely is settling and pleasing to the eye and brain.
Think about what you are saying with your subject(s) and get to the point quickly with one person being the "star" of your image.
Interesting 3-d work so far.
When you are getting serious about your final composition, be sure you make the dragon read as a "dragon shape." Right now, the dragon is so foreshortened, it is hard to tell what it really is, without relying a great deal on rendering.
In other words, if we made the dragon a flat shape made out of cut paper just as you show it in your thumbnail, would we still be able to see that it was a dragon?
Look at the shape below. We know instantly what it is, only by its shape. We don't need to see color, skin, bones, texture, or other visual clues to determine it is indeed and elephant.
The shape below that is your dragon in your last sketch. I could be a dragon, but the shape needs to be better to really let us know it is a dragon right away. Play with the shapes, angles, head tilt, etc until it really becomes a "dragon shape" in your final.
Your dragon doesn't need to be a pure profile, but it should be a "dragon shape" that we identify easily.
Like in our figure drawing class we did, once you get the silhouette or shape correct, so little else must be done.
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I hope all of you are reading over the comments made by all the other students as well as instructors. Most times, the instructors are telling many other students the same things that would apply to your work.
Read through these forums carefully, and pull out the information that applies to your problems and challenges as well. Learn from the "herd." Many comments are specific, but can apply to lots of other people having similar issues.
That is why it is important to be actively listening during critiques of others. There have been times at The Illustration Academy that students will come in, sit down and read a book until their pieces are brought to the front for critique. That is NOT a good way to learn; it is such a waste.
In truth, the really good students sit there and play the game, "I think the instructor will say 'This' or 'That' about this person's work." You need to be involved in learning from every aspect.
You are a good group, and I know you are doing that very thing already. Keep reading and learning from the comments of students and teachers alike!
Hey, how 'bout Terry Brown's class? I love how he puts "history" into a social perspective. He tells great stories, and ties it all together. He gets me to learn so much and I don't even know I am learning! He's so smart about it! I never tire of his classes.
See you in class!
good words Brent, I notice what you said to me about the Dragon, Ill try to modify it, hope to put it better form, siluette is the key, Thanks for the elephant.XD
Any chance of commenting on my thumbnails/idea way back on page 2 (Stephen King)?
The first was just a typical fan art style of and idea. Kojima, as one of his own characters Solid Snake. Lame but i wanted to get idea out to get to the better ones.
Second I wanted to visualize him to be more of a Japanese icon with no American influence. Completely engulfing him it a idea quite easily related to Japan The Yakuza.
Next is a Silly thought which was image if Kojima was a a Salon.
the others are still on paper, but this is a little more of a idea of what i'm working with Sterling.
Jamba Was Here
edit- I just had another idea. What if you showed Kojima sneaking around his office? You could also use the iconic ! in there. That'd be all you need to communicate an idea to a video game nerd like myself!
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EDIT: yay my internets is fixed!
I chose Jack Nicholson. I chose him because, in my mind, he is sort of the stereotype for an evil person. I think John English said in the monday class that "concept can be as simple as mood". so I wanted to play with my personal impression of Nicholson and make this my "mood" concept. I wanted to use either a low lightsource, the "frankenstein light" XD, to make him look demonic or the "Bar light" (from above) to push his personality into the background --> stereotypes. The idea behind this is to get an "Evil Icon" that still looks like Nicholson but is…an Icon……if that makes sense (sorry for my english
I dropped my initial idea and went for a more caricaturist approach. I feel that I completely screwed up the process. I didnt really develop an idea. I wasnt open to the porcess and just jumped from one to another one, ending up with this
the concept though is still to make him look mad; evil……In my research I learned that he played the joker once. perfect fit me thinks
this is a color-overlay and not finished at all, but all I got so far.
see you in class.
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Thanks alot for the advice mr Hundley! I went for #7 as you suggested.
This is as far as i got before i had to get set for tonights class. Tomorrow i'll shoot some hand and face referance and get in any alternations if i get any crits or suggestions
Oh! as i uploaded this I noticed that something was wrong with his neck. I'll try to fix that.
I had an architecture professor that loved this guy and thats always suck in my head.
David Byrne of the Talking Heads
Heres the thumbs and such. Im looking to use his white hair and a white suit to play off of more than likely. Also I think Im going with the bottom right idea. The others could work okay but the lower left is three overlapped portraits and the top is just too close to the face my what I wanted to say.
If there's one thing in life I deplore, it's being unable to do something. Such fury: update
Reaching over what we need to get what we don't.
LiquidPenguin: don't sweat it, relax, walk away from the drawing, and come back to it after a cup of tea or some push ups.
Remember that for any drawing or painting to come to a nice finish, you want to have most if not all the parts of the picture mapped out. Don't sweat the details or likeness at this point, all you need to worry about is readability. Once you have readability, everything you do to the image after that is noodling.
DSGodwin: David Byrne rocks! I love the Talking Heads.
Have you looked into David Byrne while he is performing? When he is singing on stage, he does all the jerky motions and movements. He does this in reference to photographer (whose name I can't recall) who would tie a rope to the person he was photographing, jerk the rope in one direction or another, and snap picture when they were in mid air. Really cool.
Since you were going with overlapped portraits, maybe you could incorporate the jerky motions as a kind of blur in which the three different portraits are revealed.
Looking forward to seeing the final.
This is where I am. Getting the likeness on the profile seems to me much more difficult, since you can't read his particular stare as easily. I put him his del Toro big hair, instead of the wolfman hair you put in the thumbnail, because I think the big wavy hair will help with the likeness, and it also makes the illustration a bit more about Benicio and a bit less about the character in the movie
He makes an awesome idea for a character illustration! Kinda wish I thought of him...
Since the big crazy hair is sort of a trademark of his, it would be cool to play with the design of the hair/beard on that sketch you have there, and if you tilt the head down, you would have even more hair to play, and add a little more character to his stare.
And I wouldn't think his mind is damaged at all! If you ever get a chance to watch this film on him, it gives an awesome insight into his thinking, even if he sometimes sounds like the worst lunatic, his words make too much sense more often than not.