The main reason i'm on the art path is that i need to do SOMETHING in life. And since i would be doing art even if i became a cat burglar i might as well become an artist and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
But also, i don't want to be a tramp on the street, i don't want to die and be a distant memory, i don't want to be uneeded, and i dont want to be a let down on anyone who does need me. So i'm gonna need some sort of profession.
I can't be the man who feeds his family working solely at McDs his whole life. If i worked at McDs while being an artist then maybe.
I'm aiming to become an artist because i mostly love but somtimes like art, and because i'm going to need to survive somehow, and so i'm not a disappointment to my family.
So do you think this is enough reason to pursue a career in art?
And at my age, will there be any point is trying?
Last edited by ZenzybaR; August 8th, 2009 at 09:03 PM.
No, there is no point, do one. Begone.
No, you're far too ancient and over the hill at 21 to do anything other than climb into the coffin, and just lie there, waiting patiently....And at my age, will there be any point is trying?
(I'm 49, by the way )
Yes, yes they are………Dude…save the melodrama for your sketchbook…while your asking this question your competition is out there drawing. Don't waste time second guessing your passion (if in fact it is your passion)…all you do is open yourself to ridicule and sarcasm…DRAW! and make it happen or you'll forever be stuck at that McJob.
"It's better to have Heart than technique, you can be taught technique." (Frank Trigg -- MMA Fighter on the subject of fundamentals)
Musselfarmstudios: lol, thanks for the motivation, i should think like that more.
dcorc: Are you starting to a path in an art as well? I mean, i know anyone can start art at any age for fun, but since im aiming to do it full time, i want to know if it's worth the journey.
I don't work at McDs at the moment. I'd work at McDs to help put myself through the art course i'm going on next month if there was an opening.
I have worked at McDs in the past and its all work and little pay. My payment was all accounted for before i got it. If i was lucky and got £3 surplus i'd buy a new pencil and comic book. I forgot how happy i was to get a new 50p pencil back then. It almost makes me want to cry lol.
What i mean is, at this age, is it worth it? Yes people are going to say "It's about the passion yo, if you dont love it then don't do it." But can i feed my hypothetical family off art starting at this age. Will my hypothetical kids complain and call me a bastard father and incompetent because i started art at such a late age. Will my wife sleep with the banker behind my back so we can pay last months rent.
These are my concerns.
I read the thread with the guy saying 40,000 a year and stuff just now. It helped a little but his was a different question.
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"Work is more fun than fun."
"Art is supposed to punch you in the brain, and it's supposed to stay punched."
Let's see. Most decent artists start to take their art seriously around the age of 16-18.
Mostly 18. Before that they mostly doodled and didn't improve their level very much.
So at 21, you'll have to work an additional 4-6 years before you retire when compared to people who started early.
You be the judge if that is reasonable.
Also, if you want to do art as a living, and not be a teacher, go to an atelier, not a public school.
And life isn't a Charles Dickens novel.
Hyskoa: That makes sense, i guess. But i've always read, "since i was a kid". Unless "kid" is 16-18 to these people. I never thought about it that way. Kid is 8 to me.
Also i'm going to a college with a separate art department. I've heard they're are decent. Is this sufficient. Also the course is 1 intensive year of art and design. Then i'm going to do something higher, this is just to give me a better chance getting onto a higher level course. I'm actually under qualified for the course and had to do an interview. She didnt want to take me at first. But then she changed her mind. I think it might have been that i said "i'm going to keep drawing, and i'll get better. So even if this college or any others don't accept me then i'll keep going on my own and make it." She said she'd give me a chance so i'm happy with that.
The course is Foundation Degree is Art and Design (Deploma). I don't know what it means but i can get higher up with it so whatever.
I've also never heard of an atelier until you posted it. I've only been on CA properly since about 3 months ago even though my account is old.
Elwell: Thanks for posting that link. It was a great read. Exactly the kind of thing i needed to see.
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I looked at your sketchbook, and it's pretty good. Keep at it and maybe one day you can make money off your talents, if not go into graphic design. lolz
Depends how committed you are, really, doesn't it. Read the thread that Elwell linked to, above.
There are certainly people who've started far older than you who become professional artists.
For someone a little older than you, when he started, there's no more needs to be said here than Mindcandyman
check out where he started, and where he's got to, now.
Dcorc: thanks for the link, its good to see someone improve over time.
Flake: Man whats your problem. You came with your, i hope, "tough love" and i didn't like it. Why are you trying to turn it into something!? I came asking advice from people who have been through or who might know what i want to know. I need to make the right choices and failure will leave me in a VERY bad position. I don't know your circumstances, so maybe you have a nice life where you can get what you want easily, but right now, 4 wasted years is not an option. So go watch your UFC. i bet you boo whenever Machida wins cause he doesn't provide your nonsense.
Flake - I know that for those of us who've been around here a while, this thread seems rather "same old, same old" - but its obviously not so for the original poster.
As you well know, much of the art "education" in the UK isn't worthy of the name, so its hardly surprising we get people coming along feeling rather confused, unsure, and uninformed.
Fairy nuff Dave, I'll shoosh.
This isn't a criticism of the OP but I just wonder where people get the idea that at 21, they're too old to consider starting. Someone must be putting it about, so come on, who is it? At 21 it would be another 14 years until I picked up a metaphorical pencil, so whoever it is I'm glad I never listened to them.
Only guessing here, but I suspect it might have something to do with being the age at which, if you've gone straight on from school, you'd be finishing a typical 3-year degree (which as we all know, is the be-all-and-end-all of education ). So, if you haven't completed your degree by then, you're done-for, a no-hoper?I just wonder where people get the idea that at 21, they're too old to consider starting.
I don't think anyone put it in my head but it's just that i've been idle for the past 3 years partly for reason beyond my control but within my grasp to change, and living in a way that was constantly on the edge of a metaphorical knife. It took massive amounts of luck for my life to be at crap level. Crap is passible but to the state that you wish you weren't born. Not shit where i want to kill myself.
I do also want some reassurance and i won't lie about it. It's a little dissuading when everyone is saying they've been doing it their whole lives. I haven't. So i just want to hear a couple success stories.
This is a life option right here. I'm planning to make art my means to survive. I'm barely getting by now. I'm already worried about not being able to pay my way through the course i'm going onto, which is the first of i don't know how many.
This isn't all about creditable either i'd imagine. I'm slightly bothered that someone who HAS been drawing since they were a kid will just snap up the job cause they've been drawing that long. Or even someone my age, "their whole life" comes along and destroys me. Forget "passion for the arts" when i'm sitting with the bums.
I'm being humble and sincere, i just want some people who are more experienced to let me know. I have no knowledge other than what i've seen here in the last 2 months, what i think up to practice next, and minor things. I don't know any pros, unless they live in another country and wouldn't give me the time of day, i feel stranded and hard work in the wrong direction can be more fatal than doing nothing.
I'm also not saying i have no motivation. I do want this. I would draw even if you all told me No i can't make it. I'd be hurt, but i'd still try. I'd just keep looking for more success stories and late starting pros to become the backbone to my beliefs. I'm just also trying to know the possible consequences for me.
So i guess it is pointless if you reply.
But at the same time, when your unsure about something unknown to you, remember that its pointless to ask for reassurance. Just jump into a shark tank and beat all the sharks up.
Last edited by ZenzybaR; August 9th, 2009 at 09:42 AM.
Forget about your age and how long you may or may not having been drawing. All that matters is how good you are and how professional you are. You need to make the decision yourself is art is the path you want to take and then put everything you have into making that happen.
i understand your concern.. and its a common feeling. Im not a pro.. but they will all tell you. You are definetely not too old or too late... a tad bit behind compared to some young guns? maybe. But thats nothing that hard work cant make up for
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Thanks baron, bigjoee, and everyone else. From what's being said so far, it's as i thought.
Keep focused and keep going.
Also, there are only two confirmed cases here of over 18s. Jason Manley i think the name is, and Vangogh. One is happy from the sounds of it, and the other died alone and poor. So i have a 50/50 chance lol.
Last edited by ZenzybaR; August 9th, 2009 at 10:48 AM.
Plenty of people start art at a later age and become quite successful.
If you want another example, I give you Ursula Vernon, one of my favorites. She got a degree in Anthropology, then started to seriously learn drawing at around 25 when a friend wanted her to do a graphic novel. She's currently 31 and makes a living from art, with an ongoing graphic novel/webcomic (Digger, which got nominated for an Eisner award in its first year), two children's books published and two more forthcoming.
So don't worry about starting at 21, seriously. You might not be able to survive solely on art immediately, but if you work at it, you can definitely get there. It all depends on your drive.
I'm now working as a crappy clerk and am hating every moment of it because these filing jobs are just not for me. I find that I would be way happier if I work in the creative industry since this industry is more of my style. I mean, in those standard office jobs, you can't exercise any bit of creativity. I mean, how do you use creativity to file documents? U don't need any.
I should be the one posting this thread, not you. :pSo do you think this is enough reason to pursue a career in art? And at my age, will there be any point is trying?
If anyone should worry about being too old in life to start art, it's me, not you.
I see your sketchbook and your drawings are way better than any crap I can produce in 10 hours. U're only 21 and you can produce such ****, and I'm 25 and can't even draw a realistic looking apple.
So obviously, you're light years ahead of guys like me.
You should start now, and not wait for 4+ years before you consider a career in art. When I was 21 years old back then, I wanted to do stuff like this but I keep telling myself "No!" and just keep denying my interest.
In the end, I'm now working in a stupid job and need at least 5+ more years before I can be decent in art. Hopefully, I'll be like Ursula Vernon one day, since we're both 25 yrs old when we start to really draw seriously. Well, I hope so.
You go now. Don't waste as many years as I did before realising I had dug my own grave. Once you do that it gets harder to break free from the regular income, then there are kids and a mortgage. The facilities and internet weren't around when I was your age - maybe I would have travelled a different path, but I don't regret my husband or kids. Work hard and try to fly to the stars. Even if you get knocked down, don't despair as there can always be another way, even if it takes longer and is more tiring.
No offense, though!
Creativity could be put to better use, like drawing fascinating imaginary creatures or interesting poses of people (not that I can draw them at this stage, anyway).
Anyway, to Zenzybar: as you can see from the many replies here, there's many people like me and Black Spot who really regret not having start at a younger age and now we're regretting like hell.
What you gotta do now is to pick up art books and start drawing.
By the time you're my age (25 yrs old), you would very likely be doing your own web comics or illustrating for some studio.
On a lighter note, I say just go for it. In every single one of these threads, I used to link Jason Chan's gallery years before he became the "Chan Man" he is today. Everybody starts somewhere, at all ranges of ages. You can probably find inspirational progression like MindCandyMan and even some in deviantart.