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...well that's the plan at least...
Anyway, hey! My name's Paul. I'm 22 and I've decided to dedicate a considerable more amount of my time to becoming a better artist. The end goal, like most people on this site I'd imagine, will be to ultimately get to a stage where I can have a career in art that I'm happy with and that can at least pay the bills. Whether that career is as a fine artist, tattoo artist or whatever is still undecided and will probably fluctuate a million times over the next couple of years.
So first up I'm going to list what I think are some of the main things which I need to work on as an artist:
1: Colour Always, always has been a major problem for me. I'm absolute crap at painting. I plan to change that though with the help of this lovely new wacom I've bought, photoshop, and a nice beginners selection of stuff for oil painting.
2: Imagination I know that generally any artist who is very good at drawing from imagination is an artist who has made many studies. I know this is why my imagination is absolute crap. I need to study A LOT more. So you're going to see a lot of anatomy studies, life drawing, etc.
Obviously there's lots of others such as speed, composition, storytelling, etc, which I really want to and need to improve on as well.
OK. Here's some of my drawings to start things off:
A sexy self portrait:
And before anyone points out that frogs don't have big thick black outlines around them in real life, I know :p
Tomorrow I'm gonna get some anatomy study done and continue reading Color
by Betty Edwards.
I really hope people will give as much feedback and critiques as possible.
I'm also going to try and become a more active member on these forums as up until now I've just been a big smelly lurker.
Last edited by Paulie; January 15th, 2011 at 03:40 PM.
very good plan you have.. im looking foward to seeing your progress.. You sound very much like me except your better than me and im a bit younger Maybe we can start a sketchgroup sometime.. I had mine up but took it down due to technical reasons. I really like the male hand you drew.. also Jack Nicholsons awesome. good start to a sketchbook
good start! wont comment too much on the sketches, more on lil advice how to reach your plan - yes you are definately right about doing studies will make you a better artist, so now my tips will focus on how to get to this point where you can make a good amount of studies on each day !with! learning something from each of them. (its my advice from what i have experienced, other people may have others...)
- stay away from detailing, takes too long
- concenrate only on just one thing in the beginning (f.e. just lines, no shading) once you feel something new in your hand while drawing, do 10000 more, have a beer, then move on to new territory
- look for reference that has a clear distinction between the tone values (good darks/clear midtones/good light tones) (photo reference taken with a flash will bring you instantly to fall into micro detailing & fine tuning the values) this way you can avoid getting frustrated sitting at a piece for too long
- change the subjects&mediums from time to time - pencil should be your king for a long time & suprisingly he profit from medium changes. once one is mastered a lil bit other mediums will get influenced by his technique & the whole thing profits
- do stuff from life/memory/photo/... just change it from time to time
- if its hard to sit in front of the paper and get started in the beginning give yourself 1 or 2h? each day where you draw. its good, this way your brain will not loose too much of the recently learned stuff and gets into progress.
- dont judge/hang on your stuff too much, move on, make a new one, make a new one, make a new one, ...
- have fun! & dont take my advice too serious, I probably do the same...
greetz! & keep at it
That was very helpful info for anyone.. Thanks a lot
Thanks man. A sketch group sounds great. Probably shouldn't start anything for about another two weeks though as come this Thursday I'm gonna be startin 2 weeks worth of music festivals, debauchery and making my liver hate me Not leaving much time for drawing unfortunately
xxysdf, thanks for the tips man. Had a look at your sketchbook. You've made some real nice progress since you first started it.
There's one point that you made in particular about not getting stuck in detailing. That's something I really need to get over. I tend that I find to try and put too much detail into studies when I there's really no need most of the time.
Anyway, here's what I did today. Just some anatomy studying.
I spent around 15 mins or so on each of those views of the arm. Would that be considered too long for a study like that do you think?
I also filled an A3 page with some 10-15 min figure studies. They all turned out crap. I just feel like I was rushing myself to get too much done in that time frame to make them look ok. And that even applied to just doing them in line, no shade or anything.
I think I'll keep the 10-15 min studies to sketching people out doors or life studies. Or maybe not? I dunno. Advise pleeeaaaseeee !
Haha have fun with that.. When your ready to post again let me know, ill put my stuff up. About your studies they look good. 15 minutes each on the arms isn't long. I'd rather spend a bit longer to get it right instead of rushing it. Just don't take a rediculous amount of time
10 to 15 min are perfect for such studies! - they dont look rushed, the formes are there & you learned something
for the lifedrawing stuff: dont get in a hurry, especially in the beginning its hard for oneself to be able to calculate how much time it will take with this or that technique, forget the time completely & if the 10 or 15 minutes are over and you havnt got the whole figure on the paper dont bother about it, next lifedrawing will be better & you will leave some of the unnecessary strokes away & probably have it all there on the paper. its experimenting, think about how to simplify, try to experiment on just getting the gesture out, if more time is available try to see it as a portrait... just experiment , but give yourself some deathlines in your lifedrawings - especially in the beginning later just experiment
(edit) for the 10 or 15 min: 15 for lines will be good but with time try to push them to 10 min, additionally you may also try to experiment with 3 or 5min gesture stuff to get some flow into the lines
Last edited by xysdf; July 2nd, 2008 at 07:52 AM.
Just a little more anatomy stuff tonight:
I also started to do a colour still life of an apple in photoshop but 15 minute in frustration was already at an all time high Colour. Hates. Me.
Sooooo...for the rest of the night I'm gonna have a good read through these threads which I found which I could probably learn a thing or two from:
As I said in my last post, I won't have a chance to do anymore art until early next week as I'll be busy inflicting hangovers and sleep deprivation on myself
I promise to put up whatever colour studies I do next. Regardless of how crap they are :-P
Thanks for the encouragement so far lads!
nice studies, is that davids hand i see there?
Just something tonight to get used to using my wacom and also to get used to using colour. I can officially say that this apple is the first thing I've painted that didn't make me want to completely give up on painting again
I could spend more time refining it but to me this was an exercise in colour and blending.
Just over 1 hours work.
Even though it's just an apple any critiques are very welcome.
you have got alot of talent showing
keep it up
i like the apple.. I have a fear of diving into color hehe.. so I just go grayscale in photoshop Blending is nice... highlights nice.. all around very solid
ahhh "just an apple"? its never just an apple, theres always so much going on in still life studies, no matter what the subject is. fruit and such are awesome subjects for color studies. do a bunch of those from life and i think you will find your grasp of color will really improve. keeep up the anatomy studies as well, can't stress how important they are when pulling figures out of your imagination.
hm nice portaits ilike them
you've just inspired me to get my wacom back out.. nice apple!
i've been avoiding painting because it's such a mess to set up (excuses, excuses)
it's great to see someone using a variety of things to draw & paint, and the RIGHT things.. usually i see people scared of stills & hands.. keep with it, looks great so far!
King Cobra...Thanks man!
biggjoee5790.. Thanks man. Although doing stuff greyscale is a great way of studying values I'm really trying to do a good amount of colour study and stay away from greyscale for a while.
damienflux....Thanks for the kind words man.
amarryth...hehe. The whole "painting with oils is a mess and takes too much time to clean up" is an argument I keep on having with myself. Honestly though, the wacom and photoshop are great for what I need right now which is to be able to experiment with colour without having other factors such as cleaning up and the particular 'methods' that need to be learned to use a medium such as oil paints. I encounter enough frustration just learning colour without having to worry about those other factors. When I find that I start having a better grasp of colour I'll 100% be getting back to oil painting.
Anyway, didn't get anything done yesterday what with work and such...yeh...excuses excuses :p
I thought I'd post an example of just how BAD and slow I am with colour right now
This has taken me about 50 mins to do. Go on, have a good laugh :p
I've also attached the reference pic I'm using. I'm not trying to get an exact likeness of the girl at all. I just want a painting which shows a nice use of colour and blending and proportions, etc.
I'm going to do another hour or so on this tonight and another 2 hours on it tomorrow and I'll post how it's looking then even if It looks like vomit
Thanks for all the feedback so far!
Ok here's the progress I've made so far with this face.
It has taken me a total of about 3 hours 50 mins to get to this point.
I'm fairly happy at how it has come out considering this is the first time I've painted a face in photoshop (and one of the first times I've ever properly painted).
I know the face has a plasticy look to it but I've learned a few things from doing this which is always good.
I'm going to leave this one alone now though as I think all I'm going to be doing is rendering and smoothing details which is useless to me as I think I still have a lot to learn about the fundamentals of a painting like this.
Any critiques or advice is really appreciated.
few too many updates...too much reading about how to paint and draw and not enough actual painting and drawing on my part.
Anyway...it's been too long already. Here's some studies. Must get a better scanner.
Done in photoshop. About two hours
Gonna try something in colour next.....which is always outside the ol' comfort zone for me
great stuff. I feel old...
Live life, Live love, Love life, then die -- SaiVix
I would really love some honest critiques and improvements suggestions
Renewed Study - I'm drawing again!!
nice work so far studies from post #19 are really good! I see we have the same problems - i'm also stuggling with anatomy, drawing from imagination and colouring... so good luck, keep it going
Just posting to say I really like your stuff.
Thanks for the comments guys, I appreciate it!
Looking like a solid SB so far. Your control of values is pretty, don't see how colour could be a problem. Maybe you should play more with saturation, like in that elephant above my post?
You know...colour is finally starting to begin to make sense to me. Especially after reading stuff like The book "Colour" by Betty Edwards.
A few months ago the terms value, hue and chroma would have been lost on me.
Anyway, thanks for checkin' out my sketchbook man.
well I've spent between 3 and 4 hours on this guy so far...started him off in colour but soon went into grey scale cause I was getting frustrated!
I think it was the right thing to do...this is challenging enough doing this from my mind in grey scale, never mind in colour!
In one way, I'm quite happy with how it's progressing as this is the first really creative thing I've done in a while....on the other hand, drawing from the mind is bloody hard! I'm gonna really try my best to get a well rendered final result on my chicken man here....but for the rest of tonight I'm just analyse some good character artist stuff and read me some educational art type material
Any crits so far would be really appreciated