KOF - Mai (update 11/7)

[_ J]

Hello
This is a pic which I have used a lot of time to process and still....

This version is not so finished but I think it looks better now. Before I process further, my main concern is whether the anatomy & proportion looks right?

Crits and paintover welcome, thanks!

P.S. I have another idea of the trinity series I posted in the wip section. Does anyone knows whether Sailormoon is a princess?

J

[Jason Rainville]

Her upper arms seems too long. The elbow should fall around the wasit (and not the hips as it seems with this pic) Remember that the upper arm (from the end of the collarbone at the deltoid to the elbow) is equal to the forearm without a hand.

The face bothers me, something about the placement of the eyes. I don't quite like anime-ish eyes so that could be it too..

[irot]

Well, as the person prior to me stated about the arm errors, those don't bother me as much as the hands. Focusing on the left, not only are her fingers too slender they look jointless and pointed. The thumb in contrast to the others needs to be elongated as well, while the pinky needs to be shortened.

The only other prominent anatomical error is her breasts-they seem a bit low. In real life of course women naturally with her breasts may be more susceptible to sagging, but even these seem to low. Just imagine her arm covering her neckline being there, and it will be easier to view.
However, the anatomy in this doesn't erk me as much as the flow of her garments. The back sash seems to have too much wind motion compared to her hair, and also too many wrinkles. The flow of fabric is a challenge at times but should be fluent (unless its verrry stiff material), and my best advice would be to do still life of drapery. Her costume is just very stiff and quirky.

All in all, so far it looks nice and I like the color scheme as well as her face! =) Hope this helps.

[Elwell]

The composition, drawing, and action were all better in the sketch. The only real problem in it was the length of the extended arm. I always try to keep all my sketches and preliminary versions accessible while I'm working on a piece, because it's so easy to lose the drawing once you become involved in color, rendering, etc.

[chazanoble]

Originally Posted by _ J

Hello
This is a pic which I have used a lot of time to process and still....

This version is not so finished but I think it looks better now. Before I process further, my main concern is whether the anatomy & proportion looks right?

Crits and paintover welcome, thanks!

P.S. I have another idea of the trinity series I posted in the wip section. Does anyone knows whether Sailormoon is a princess?

J

nice. I like your style for this picture. reminds me of those esurance commercials. If you are going for better accuracy of the character, then you might want to consider

1) you gave mai shiranui a breast reduction(they were her most noticable assets in the game and they bounced like crazy when you pull off her moves) the breast location in the sketch is fine with me but your render version doesn't convey that location well.

2)Also, you might want to consider toning down the flowing garment. Her uniformed in the game was light and simple. I think the concept artist gave her a skimpy outfit to show some T 'n A.

here's some references:

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[Leftyy]

I think that the overall image looks too flat and the hands are really bothering me. Anime really bothers me, but I'll comment on the face anyway. The right eye is too close to the side of head, and this is mostly because you've drawn both of the eyes a little big and squished the face to right. I'm also not sure that your execution of a head shape is "there" yet. It looks to me that you've masked something by drawing a ton of hair around the face. The nose (curse anime noses) also bothers me a whole lot, because it's too simple, too pointy, too... anime. I agree about the upper arm length, it's too long. And it seems that the hands/fingers need work. Her left hand only has three fingers and a thumb, and the quality of the fingers severely decreased from the intial sketch. I also think that the breasts might be a little too low. The first sentence of Elwell's post there says everything I want to say about compostion, etc.

There you go.

[_ J]

Thank you for all the replies! Very helpful!

1. I think the eyes, arms, breasts and some other parts do need more work, thanks for pointing out these.
2. Some points, like long and pointed fingers, big eyes and nose shape may be due to style choice or tastes, but I will try to execute it better
3. Regarding the sketch, I find it hard to make the relationship between the 2 front hairs and her right arm look convincing, and also the body seems too small compared with the head. After making a lot of amendments, it looks like it is now. I would appreciate any suggestions to make the sketch version looks better.
4. Regarding the garment, I want to do the drapery in more stylized form, still experimenting. I think it doesn’t look so good now but it starts to work. I make it look like dress in order to make it look more special and elegant.
5. I’ll re-work it, but probably needs a lot of time.
6. Thanks again for all the input!

[chazanoble]

Originally Posted by _ J

Thank you for all the replies! Very helpful!

1. I think the eyes, arms, breasts and some other parts do need more work, thanks for pointing out these.
2. Some points, like long and pointed fingers, big eyes and nose shape may be due to style choice or tastes, but I will try to execute it better
3. Regarding the sketch, I find it hard to make the relationship between the 2 front hairs and her right arm look convincing, and also the body seems too small compared with the head. After making a lot of amendments, it looks like it is now. I would appreciate any suggestions to make the sketch version looks better.
4. Regarding the garment, I want to do the drapery in more stylized form, still experimenting. I think it doesn’t look so good now but it starts to work. I make it look like dress in order to make it look more special and elegant.
5. I’ll re-work it, but probably needs a lot of time.
6. Thanks again for all the input!

Cool. I usually like to draw the whole figure so I can get a better feel of where I can put things. Here's quick retrace of how I envisioned Mai's posed when I was looking at your picture. I made some minor changes here and there like enlarging her head a little and shortening her arm. Also, you might want to consider starting with a simple garment and adding on to it to achieve the elegant look you are looking for. Right now, it's doesn't have a natural elegant flows...just some thoughts. Best wishes.

[Leftyy]

chazanoble, I still think her breasts are too low. Her breasts seem to be in line with the elbow. I don't really want to put it like this, but take it from a girl, breasts don't really come down that low (maybe down two thirds of the upper arm).

[_ J]

Thank you, chazanoble and Leftyy! I will try to make this a good pic and re-post it and won't let you disappointed! But it needs some time, you know....

[chazanoble]

Originally Posted by Leftyy

chazanoble, I still think her breasts are too low. Her breasts seem to be in line with the elbow. I don't really want to put it like this, but take it from a girl, breasts don't really come down that low (maybe down two thirds of the upper arm).

cool. thanks for the 2 cents. Mai has really large breast in the King of fighter games. I figured bigger breast, besides sagging a little more when you are in a moving/"bouncy" motion which she is in right now, will take up more proportion of the body especially if a uniform is not custom made to handle her "gifted" curvature. That and her shoulders are lifted right now so her elbows will drop even more when she relaxes makes it a plausible location for her breast. Take it from a guy who has seen a lot of breast in his lifetime, it's very possible for a breast to be at that location.

You're welcome to draw a sketch of what you had in mind if you want....

[Leftyy]

Originally Posted by chazanoble

...Take it from a guy who has seen a lot of breast in his lifetime...

I...

didn't need to know that.

[chazanoble]

Originally Posted by Leftyy

I...

didn't need to know that.

LMAO...

[_ J]

I'm not so sure, if Mai or her friends (e.g. Chun Li) read this, pls send MANY photos to me for reference!!!

Edit: I mean the real one, not cosplay!

[Nistarn]

Sailormoon is princess serenity, and queen serenity also : )

[_ J]

Nistarn: Thank you for your info, I guess you mean Sailormoon is a princess and a queen (I don't know what is meant by serenity) I roughly remembered she is a princess in the alternate universe or something. When I have scanned it, I'll post a new trinity pic on Fighting Princess.


New version updated, Hair not finished. I hope the amendments and also the drapery works better now.

[mehran]

the drapery still isn't working... try less smaller curls and and a hand full of large curls..Assaid before more flowy and less crumpled.. to be honest.. Mai doesn;t actually have that much cloth...
you have a nice sketch ..but it needs work... you shouldn't go into colors this early... get the sketch nailed and than move to colors....
you might also wanna look up for generel manga drawing concepts..regrading cloth.. they might help
Cheers
Keep posting!!

[_ J]

mehran:
Thank you for the comments. Congrats on getting the stars for your sketchbook!

P.S. The drapery is more close to Chinese traditional style, which has more lines than actual. I hope you guys and gals will like this technique when I do it better later!
And thanks again for so many great feedback!

[mehran]

......Congrats on getting the stars for your sketchbook!

thanks...
waiting for the update...

[Jason Rainville]

The line cutting down from her pinky does more to make her pinky slice into her hand rather than show the form of the plam. Might want to shorten that up.

I understand the choice behind slender fingers, but they're REALLY wobbly and inconsistent. They're french fries waiting to be snapped

[mahlukat]

you have to work cloths and their bending and twisted forms.and colth's shadows are in wrong position (in second pic you corrected little).(shadows didnt follow bendings)

and in your pic there are two levels of shading shadow(one area light,other dark),and that is not right.you have to add some levels like this;bright red->red->dark red->very dark red->red and black mixture->near black->and black.but in your paint there are only two.if you look at "chazanoble"'s uploaded examples,you can see shading between colors.

[_ J]

mehran:
This pic is close to finish but I'm not going to update and post it in the finished section as it will probably be moved back to the crit centre...
If the update you mean is the princess trinity pic, I'll post it in the wip section today!

Rhineville:
Thank you for the feedback! May be my tastes are a bit different or odd, and I do appreciate your honest opinions!

mahlukat:
Thank you for the advices!