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Hi guys! Here's my new concept of a female warrior and I'll be very thankful for some critics o advises...
The most important for me is critics about the concept and anatomy of the character. I'll be also glad to hear about her armour.
I'm working as a freelance illustrator but I paint mainly stuff for children and I want to be better at painting more realistic and learn more about human anatomy and your critics will be very hepful for me...
I can handle everything what you'll tell :p
Thanks for watching this... Best regards, Amelia.
Well, I think these fit here just as well as in their original thread:
Yours is not as bad as some, but still.Yup. It's the type of thing that I don't usually find offensive but it really only feels appropriate if the character is;
- a barbarian
- in a self-aware pinup type image
- isn't really meant to be in combat (seductive vampire, controlling sorceress etc)
- literally gutted in their first fight to highlight their folly
Design is all about asking yourself why something should look a certain way. Ask yourself why she'd want to be revealing and if the pros outweigh the cons (or if she applies to one of the items on the list above).
Also overall the anatomy looks bit off everywhere, but especially in the hands and feet (same as her other eye is drooping down) and I'm not sure what some of those armor parts are, like the one between her legs. Does she have iron panties or is it just a weirdly positioned hip guard?
Do you have an underdrawing for the feet and hands?
Also I'd really suggest you research armor bit more, most of those look more like random steel plates rather than anything that'd be part of an actual armor. And her shoes look just like modern shoes, and I'm not sure if that was intentional from your part or not. Also the really short handle look bit hilarious on a sword of that size (which would realistically be a two hand sword) considering she looks like an otherwise normal human.
Last edited by TinyBird; June 26th, 2012 at 07:38 AM.
EDIT: As goog mentioned previously it's a subjective thing. If one of the males from this universe dressed in a similar way it wouldn't exactly alleviate the problem but it would provide some context. Generally the "rule" is that if people have access to metal armor and they use it, then they're focused on protection rather than the practice of showing skin to instill fear. Some barbarian warriors did just that, since the cloth that wore day-to-day did little to stop swords and spears, so showing skin was a way of proving how badass they were without passing over important armor (since they really had none). But even chain mail armor was so prizes that only chieftains wore it, so you can bet that armor was preferable to skin.
Last edited by Jason Rainville; June 26th, 2012 at 12:38 PM.
TinyBird and Rainville you're right (and Rainville show it very exactly on his sketch...) - armour I've created is not good for protecting her at all. Maybe her tits look good in it but it's all... it's just my fancy for this kinda armours - but what about this whole adds to skyrim for example where every man want woman in the game to have ass and tits all naked? No matter if she can fight like this or not? I don't argue because I know you're right but I'm only curious... :p so when you create female character for fantasy game for example you should make it look right and realistic or to fulfil man's fantasies? :p
TinyBird - I know anatomy is not good enough but I'm trying to learn more... Maybe some advice - Can I learn anatomy from books and photos? Or the only way to know it right is to draw from alive model?
Sorry if my english is tangled... it's hard to express what I want to say because it's not my native language...
Silly armour aside
- her far eye looks too small; you would not get that much of a perspective shift on a realistic face
- her sword scabbard would rest against her back and so *would* be in perspective, not just drawn as if it were flat. Also, how does it attach to her back, superglue? The only free strap it could be attached to is too loose and on the wrong shoulder.
- you need reference for the pose. If you rest a hand on the hip, the fingers will spread apart. Also, the stance looks ambiguous and awkward. It would be better if you chose a stance with a clear silhouette and solid foot placement. (Especially for a warrior. She's not a fashion model and you are undermining the message you are sending with your pose choice.)
Edit: that braid is just asking to get grabbed from behind, too. Cut it short, wrap it up, or put spikes in it like Pierce suggests in the Tortall books.
Well, there's always the lowest common denominator (sex) but personally I would go with whether it fits the character or not. Sometimes chainmail bikini totally fits the character or the world (Jason mentioned several places where lack of armor is justified, and that's not even counting stuff that are parodies or just work with the Rule of Cool) and/or it's just some cheesecake fun, but if you're supposed to take the character seriously and/or the world is more realistic, then I would at least invest to the design enough that it at least feels realistic (there's a reason for it) and avoids the immediate "LOOK AT MY BEWBS". Like actually have the armor fit comfortably, instead of having the armor be so tight that it squeezes the breasts out of it, like in yours.but what about this whole adds to skyrim for example where every man want woman in the game to have ass and tits all naked? No matter if she can fight like this or not? I don't argue because I know you're right but I'm only curious... :p so when you create female character for fantasy game for example you should make it look right and realistic or to fulfil man's fantasies? :p
You can execute one concept in many ways, some ways more tasteful than others.
Also I'd make sure that if the armor doesn't protect, then at least it doesn't hinder the character either (like with all those armor tops that have spikes that most likely would stab their wearers to the stomach if the tried to bend), or that there's other protection, like wearing a leather shirt (which gives some protection, actually to that point that eventually it replaced chain mail even in real life) under the armor bikini, etc.
Also think of the world the character lives in, if the world/community supports the chainmail bikini look, and like Jason said, and it's a common way for other people to dress in for whatever reason (hot environment, much looser way with nudity, the armor is not even supposed to protect and is there just to show off, like Native American eagle feathers/war prizes/something like that, etc) and it's taken to its logical end (as in the guys of same rank/job dress the same, instead of women dressing in bikinis and guy dressing in full plate armor) then sure if you follow it through in the design, but if this character lives in, say, averagely realistic medieval world where any nudity above showing ankles is a horror, then having a character like this as an average royal knight is starting to look pretty transparent.
EDIT: And it's not like only men play fantasy games, so fulfilling women's fantasies should be just as important when designing (even if it might be about not having every female character be half-naked).
EDIT EDIT: Okay though "fantasies" might be a bad choice of words, but more like, that a lot of women generally appreciate if they can see variety in female characters and that not all of them are designed men in mind. It makes getting into things easier.
Sure you can, and it's actually good to have a book or two and use them along with life drawing and photos have their own issues but if you have no access to life drawing or a live model then they're just fine, but it'd be recommended that the quality of the photos is good. There's several sites that specify at photos for art use like:Can I learn anatomy from books and photos? Or the only way to know it right is to draw from alive model?
And good books to start with would be Loomis books
and my favorite is Bammes:
Also there's other books listed here: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152626
Last edited by TinyBird; June 26th, 2012 at 01:54 PM.
yeah I know not only men play fantasy games - I was just only wondering about "sexy female warrior look" phenomenom... vinerys and TinyBird thanks a lot - your comments help me very much to understand some things... I've got some big lack in knowledge about anatomy and characters and first I need to catch up with it before I can design anything...
thanks for the books and sites! I;ve already have Loomis book but others would be very helpful.
I don't really agree with some of the "this and that wouldn't be realistic in a real combat" comments. Isn't this caracter supposed to be a concept for a fantasy setting? Realism in that sense isn't really expected in my opinion.
The only thing that bugs me (aside anatomical flaws which I feel I can't point out due to my lack of expertise) is that somehow the concept looks similar to Leina from Queen's Blade.
More images here (probably NSFW).
Was it the inspiration?
Last edited by s12a; June 27th, 2012 at 05:55 AM.
No it wasn't my inspiration... it's the first time I'm seeing this character... I had no inspiration at all - I'm just playing a lot of Skyrim last months :p
"Isn't this caracter supposed to be a concept for a fantasy setting?" you're right and I also think like this but this is a great issue and there always will be many who agree and many who don't. But you know - I can always make her boobs and ass more on top, but if I ever want to create characters for serious productions it's better for me to learn how to make good, serious armour...
Well, even with fantasy there's the thing called Willing Suspension of Disbelief. "Fantasy" as a setting can mean almost anything, but it doesn't mean that every fantasy setting would go with every concept and that every fantasy concept put to critique should be handwaved with "oh, it's fantasy". A design that would totally work in low-fantasy comedy work wouldn't necessarily work in a realistic high-fantasy work.
I might actually suggest for Jameli to take this concept and re-design it for different settings/genres, like one which can be totally fantastic and just look cool (like the armor stays up just with magic or something), something that's still moderately fantasy but still work on what's it supposed to, and one where you really try to make it as reasonable as you would expect it needing to be in real life situation.
It could be a fun practice and give you a chance to study armor and still keep the same idea.
TinyBird it's a great idea I'll make something like this in my free time, and I'll show you results... But what about braid, her face, silhouette and pose - does it suck so much so it's better to change it? I don't agree with Vinerys about braid - then what about dwarfs' beards? You also can grab it... It's lower I agree but still :p
Well, it wouldn't hurt to re-draw the figure with proper ref and I agree with Vineris about the pose and anatomical bits. With the braid, eh, I think it can work as an interesting visual element though it is risky (at least you can't grab a beard from behind that easily) and would at least try alternatives but personally I'd say use your own judgement, we can only suggest things for you to try.
But there's suspension of disbelief. Everything fits together to produce an impression and if you mix your messages you get a weak diluted image that does everything half-assed.
You'll never see me complaining about the bikins on the sorceress in Oglaf (nsfw) because she's a ridiculous dominatrix in a sex farce. She's supposed to be running around in bikini armour. If your stated purpose is to design a warrior, though, and you don't preface it with "for softcore porn" then I'm going to take exception to design decisions that undermine the warrior message, especially if they're not particularly original.
It would be like deciding to create a fantasy Hawai'i where everyone wears parkas all the time. Why not? Except that it makes people question why the fuck they're there. Of course the chainmail bikini is no longer even questioned, a ridiculous convention that is now so completely mainstream that it's weird when you don't see it.