HAY GUYS IM ONLY GUD AT PORTRAITS LAWL!!!!
HE OBVIOUSLY SAW PAGES 3 THRU 5 OF MY SKETCHBOOK!!eleven!!!
SHOULD I AKS HIM 4 LESSENS!?!?
In my experience, everyone who comes here and posts art for critique (or in whatever forum) is treated with respect. When they abuse that respect, they lose it. It's as simple as that.
Anyone can come in here and get great advice from professional artists, free of charge. If they are not willing to accept the good advice offered, then they really have no reason to be here. Except as fodder for the Worst of CA thread.
Someone gave me this custom title and I will never, ever change it!
It's when people have bad attitudes that they earn a place in this thread.
As for why they don't show up here...well, duh. They all think they're the greatest artists ever...so why would they look in this thread? They're obviously not in here, since they're so damn good!
And oh, you lucky ladies, to have doboy1 after you.
Chances are, there could be misunderstandings(I find that alot) since you can never tell if the person's english is limited (or maybe too advance for you), they are using a slang in their region or the tone of their comments. Who knows, we might be the ones that are wrong and misunderstood them because they are aware of things we are not aware of. You can easily defuse tension by being nice and giving people the benefit of a doubt. I find that more effective then what you guys are doing in this thread. Peace.
Last edited by sumthingwong510; August 21st, 2007 at 06:24 PM.
Somethingwong; have you read the thread?
I really don't think there's any possibility of misunderstanding there. People have tried to help him, and his trump card seems to be.... well... being patronising in a sexist kind of way.
I know what you're saying; I, myself, would cringe to be on here as an example of a bad attitude,- but remember, it's not the talent (or the lack of it) that's being mocked. We've all been proud of drawings that we looked back on later and shuddered or thought "what was I thinking?"
People really, genuinely, seriously tried to help him....
I remember my school years. Our class was not very unified, pretty amorphous actually. But it always showed some sort of unity whenever there was some just arrived new student who didn't know inner streams and motivations behind actions of our people.
Ignorant of how life happened in our class he/ she did something out of norm, offended someone's delicate senses and after that a hell broke up. There were after school gatherings and confrontations and official ultimatums and the whole class chasing the poor outsider. Harassments, naming it with a modern language. I remember running with my class and suddenly feeling disgust of being under this hypnoses of following the crowd.
Since then... I'm careful not to join any public executions. In my opinion it's cruel and too final. People are different, some are like hedgehogs, prickly, some need time to show their good side.
For example I really don't understand why Odayga deserved this treatment. So she is art master and horse master in her mind... that doesn't bother me...no one is hurt. She is 18 year old, come on... what you were in your teens years? I resented jeans.
So basically what I'm hearing from some people is, if someone comes here and gets mad at us for critiquing, possibly insults other members of the board, possibly starts posting nonsensical spam... we shouldn't make fun of this person, because they're misunderstood?
I can understand if someone came into an art class/forum and was timid and ignorant of a lot of things about art and social interaction, but those people don't distrupt anything; the igonrant misfits will be told how things go and treated with respect, as long as they yield to the idea that they might not know everything/be so kickass as they think.... yeah, then we should make sure to not tease them or make them feel uneasy...
But most of the people in this thread didn't just come in here with preconceived notions of art, they came with about ten tons of attitude, insulting members as they go. Anyone who's mentioned in this thread is fair game.
My commentwas actually meant to point out how rediculous it is that we're talking about these threads while they occur, as a play-by-play, not really caring if the OP's came in here or notI like how even as threads are still open and progressing, we still talk about it here, like this thread is our super-secret hideout where none of the people we're talking about can see what we say
I read it, alesoun . It reminded me my school years even more. . Name calling and rudeness are a chain reaction, IMO. You pushed someone in a streetcar with your elbow, got an evil look in return and a new name... came home and gave some hard time to your closed ones, they carry it further . I was reading fukifino and expected something like this to happen. Why he said the guy shouldn't show his art to anyone on this level... it was uncalled for, IMO
And to add I think his execution is sloppy but I like the stylization actually, those thin waist and broad shoulders.
Okay, I know where you're coming from, too. It's not in my nature to set out to victimize someone, and I don't think I have. Doboy's been heading this way before fukifino. That's why I wondered if he was for real.
His thin waist looks too "girly" for me; but it was the tangle of lines that were so hard to decipher that was the first thing I noticed, and the first thing I commented on. I really enjoy clicking on the first post of a sketchbook and the last to see the improvement; it really lifts my spirits, because there always is an improvement if somebody tries.
It's just getting a bit silly now, though.....
I'll agree I was an ass to doboy1. I could have said what I said with a lot more tact. No argument from me there. But I read his comments. I'm sorry, he "knows anatomy"? He knows "how to draw hands and feet"? His know-it-all attitude was asking for it, and I don't apologize for it.
That said, his response to me certainly wasn't a surprise.
no one here is a mean, bully arsehole. according to newtons third law all forces have an oposite soooo if we have the BEST OF CA its only science that we should have the WORST OF CA hehe.
but seriously dude its not quite how you seem ot have interpreted it.
You're right though, in part, at least...
Walking away from a fight would defenitely help everyone feel better, tempers don't flare as much as they could etc... but after he get's critted, lashes out, then nothing happens... would he be satisfied with silence? Wouldn't he think everythings ok and just keep posting shitty art? Somehow I think some people laying it out for him pretty harshly would do well to deflate the ego a tad. Depends on the person though...
fukifino, though how you said it may have been harsh, everything was true.
aww but i wanna be mean
i dont realy wanna be mean
i want to hand them a metaphorical boucay(spell?) of flowers in a nice productive comment..
Everyone, I feel yah and I know people can piss you off sometimes, but it's still no reason to go further then necessary. That anger/annoyance that we feel inside is partly because of the other person, but it's also something in us that let it bother us.
I personally don't want to be someone that is part of the mob either Sve. Looks like people listen listen to you more since you have some seniority here. Thank you for sharing again. Really appreciate it.
When Elwell, or some other mod decides to close that thread, it will be closed. Until then, doboy1 is still getting good advice on his work. Yes, he's also getting harsh words mixed in with it, but you reap what you sow.
Someone gave me this custom title and I will never, ever change it!
We respect Sve more than you because she posts art, joins in discussions and generally adds something to the place.
Do the same and I expect you'll gain the same respect.
As it is, you're the new guy telling everyone else how they should run an art site without contributing so much as a 5 minute doodle.
Last edited by Flake; August 21st, 2007 at 10:22 PM.
Thank you so much for kind words, I'm confident you are very wrong about me of course, I'm a baaaaaddd person, full of sins.
But... I respect anyone a priori even if he/she doesn't post his art.. until he/she proves me I shouldn't. For the record... I don't hate anyone on this site. one needs to do something very low fro me to hate him/her... I just find some people immature, green oranges, but subjects to change of course.... And after time I forget things anyway.
Last edited by sve; August 22nd, 2007 at 12:27 AM.
On another note, the Worst of CA thread was funny in the beginning, when it mostly brought up the shenanigans long past. But the recent posts seem to document current events as they happen. The threads discussed aren't even locked yet. Is this the right thing to do?
The Boulder takes issue with that comment.
I'm just really jealous at all the attention and help that doboy1 is getting
Save some of that energy for us peeps that want and need them guys!