Still digging your book. It's great to see you doing all those studies (something I should start doing again). That fabric study from April 12th is sweet and I also really like your Hollands Diep drawing. Good work.
Wow! I should not update for 1,5 week more often I got so many replies!
I found a job for the vacation, so I've been working 9 hours a day Šnd I have to do a lot of homework, so I haven't been drawing much *kicks herself for not drawing more*
I hope to draw a bit more tomorrow. Will have to do homework first today.
Here are my reactions to your nice replies!
@ Chris; You're right about the classmates, they move very much ofcourse so had like 20-30 seconds to get the likeness down, but it is obvious that I still don't really understand the basic facial proportions. Thanks on the girl with hands before her head, I rather liked that one myself, because I also liked the ref a lot You're right about the hands, I had some trouble with them while drawing, should've probably payed more attention to them About the cloth: yes, maybe I shouldn't be doing them a lot, since I seem to do them quite well.. Will spend my time on stuff I can't do quite well yet ^^ I guess you're right about the 30 second sketches.. I'm almost forgetting thatt 30 sec sketches also belong in a sketchbook lol. I've been doing some 30 second portraits in pen, and some longer pen stuff. I'll be trying to do some more quick pen stuff.. It's good line training I think.Now I'm back with update.. It's not so much.. I'm really ashamed... sorry!
Thanks a lot for the nice crits and pointing things out!!
@ hurricane; wow, I have hurri in my sketchbook! yay! [fangirl mode] I really really like your stuff [/fangirl mode] Thanks man , but you shouldn't say that to me a lot, it might make me work less hard .
@ voraz; Hey thanks for stopping by! I wonder: which studies do you mean with "some studies"? It's rather vague. Sometimes the studies are meant to be quick, and sometimes I just can't do it slower because my subject is moving (classmate portraits for example). I'll try that on the contrast with the digitals. It's hard because I easily overdo the contrast on digital stuff. And I ususally see great results with little contrast on skintones (on other people's work not mine so far hihi), so I think I shouldn't do lots of contrast on skin, maybe a bit more saturation.. Well I'll definately think about it! Thanks ^^
@ johanson; Hey person who beat me in thunderdome !! It's nice to hear from you ^^ Thanks for the comments
@ h2rra; To start with the answer to your last question: no, I didn't finish the Bargue by far. I'm currently at my boyfriends place and I couldn't take the Bargue with me, so it's still quite much in the shape it was in from the last Bargue update. I'll continue to work on it when I'm home again though. I really don't like the train sketches But I guess they're better than most of my quick head sketches (maybe that is because they weren't really quick). Thanks for pointing the drawing profile heads to narrow thing, I did notice that a bit but I should think about it more, especially when I'm drawing! Will take a look at some references for that.. Thanks for stopping by! I'll return the favour soon. ^^
I have a lot to do still, but I'll try to get an hour a day to do drawing..
*has a sad feeling in her stomach.. like I'll never get where I want to be with the time I'm spending on drawing a day*
Last edited by NoŽ; May 7th, 2007 at 12:32 PM.
Thought i'd stop by your sketchbook after you left encouraging comments on mine! very nice work, i really like your style. your digital work looks very good.
keep it up!
"Put Away those Fiery Biscuits!"
Hi Marleen, nice update. the cats look nice, especially the 2nd and 3rd. The other drawings I think are a little too rushed...
Don't feel bad about the time you spend drawing a day, I see lots of studies here so I guess you have been working, what I think it is important is that you really try to make the time you spend drawing worth the while by being really objective and self critique about what you are doing.
When I said that you could go further with some studies I wasn't very specific about which studies I meant, because I see that in a lot of studies/doodles that are looking good but you give up on them very early and I feel they could turn out really good pieces if you worked a little more on them. I have the same problem since I don't like to spend much time in a single piece and what I like to do more is just doodle... But i have been trying to make an effort to take some of the projects further and I think that it is a excellent learning experience, it may be frustrating but it is also very rewarding when I finish something and I feel it is an improvement in relation to what I usually do .
Another thing that I see here is that when you're doodling you draw a lot of faces, i used to do that a lot and still do, but I am trying to get away from that habit and draw other stuff...
I hope this makes sense... (otherwise ignore it... )
Last edited by voraz; May 8th, 2007 at 12:58 PM.
@ cherryworks; thanks
@ Jorge Gecov; thanks too will keep drawing ofcourse
@ voraz; thanks a lot I'm happy you explained what you meant. It's definately more clear now. I understand that it looks like I draw a lůt of faces, and on this last page I dŪd. But the reason why I'm doing so many faces is because a lot of people told me that I needed to practice them more because they were and are lacking. I am also drawing full figures ofcourse, but less. It's hard to focus on multiple things to study. What do you think that I should study most at the moment? (I know, it's a really hard question, and I can't answer it myself I think).
Something I want to say about the stuff that looks rushed: When I'm doing pen drawings this is usually how it looks, except when I spent really lots of time on getting every line right, but that just takes so much time. I'm currently doing only pen drawings, and some pencil where I do not erase. I think it's important to do that right now. I know it kinda sounds like I'm reading your critique and saying all this stuff and eventually not taking anything in you typed, but I am really thinking about it. It's just that I'm getting opposite critiques: for example Dose206 told me to do more of those 30 second pen sketches, so I did and tried more quick pen drawings. But then you tell me that they look too rushed. I don't think you ůr Dose said anything that is not correct, but it's kinda confusing for me.
Lastly: about taking projects further.. Yes you have a good point about that.. I rarely finish anything I guess I just want to make most of my time, and do lots of sketches to get more understanding of things.. But Maybe I should reserve like two hours a week to work on something like a project.. It's hard to reserve time because I'm so *beep* busy.. I've drawn 2 hours a day and I just want to draw MORE but I'm so behind on homework I can't.
Oh sorry for typing so much.. Hope you don't mind..
left:school assignment, sucky, don't understand why I got a great mark for it , right: quick sketch from mind for a new school assignment.. sucky too
two other quick sketches from mind for school assignment
left: drawing my sister and mum, no erasing, right: some awful figures and some Bridgeman head studies, still don't understand much of it
more studies and some Bridgeman for fun because I found some really lovely drawings in the book, to copy
Hi there, nice update. Sorry if I am making this confusing... I guess it is nice to do some quick pen studies, but I would like to see also more rendered stuff. I think you have some faces very well done throughout the sketchbook and done very quickly, if you do it in pencil, correct it by erasing they could be great. The downside of pen is that you cannot correct it very well and then you may be a little frustrated it if doesn't come out rigth in the first place. I like much more some of the faces you posted now that were made with pencil. But I also like some of those pen pose studies (like the guy arched to the back).
This one would apply very well to what I was saying about nice studies that I would like to see more fully rendered!
hey marleen! you are working really hard! nice work!
i know sometimes it seems like you don't get enough time to draw, but it is a good sign that you do actually want to draw more. Drawing an hour a day is good! if you can keep that going as a force of habit that is fantastic because you will have days where you do way more than an hour too. if you manage to keep drawing consistently its like training, imagine if you did an hour of pushups everyday! you would kick super mans butt!
i won't say anything specific as it seems you are already getting lots of advise and such. just remember to try never to get frustrated or down about your drawing (not saying you are, just saying) just keep drawing and keep having fun with it
sorry, don't have time to answer right now will reply later..
First try (left), and more work on it after receiving some great crits from Idiot Apathy.
a 1,5 hour speedie (left) and a 40 minute portrait (right)
EDIT: what is it with the images also showing in the attach frame? this is not nice evething is showing up twice!
Last edited by NoŽ; May 14th, 2007 at 03:33 AM.
Marleen, this last speedie is coming along really well. I dunno if, as a speedie, you plan on going any further with it but IMo you should. It has great atmosphere. My biggest suggestion would be to vary the tones in the background and too.... I guess that's it. on your last update, the Bridgeman studies look great.
you mentioned before on drawing only things that you know you need to work on, and this is a great attitude but it's okay every once in awhile to give yourslef an asspat and draw something that you know is gonna come out well.
Anyhoo, keep up the great work and show us more stuff!
So.. Here I am again I have only a small update, but I'm replying anyway.. (wow, that is against my standards huh )
@ voraz; thanks again Yeah you're right about that some studies could be great. I'm just not really going for things to be great, I want to learn out of it. And I think that if I do stuff with pen I'll learn more because I'm learning to get the lines right at once, so eventually I won't have to erase. I agree though that when I want to go and do a nice looking studie it shouldn't be in pen. On this one, I don't think this is a study.. It's a 5 minute sketch from mind, just to get some ideas on paper. So really I don't want to work it out more does that make sense? lol. Thanks for your input man. I really appreciate it As you can see I did a little longer face study in pencils any crits?
@ Kronos; Hey thanks man! I stop around your sketchbook sometimes, but everything I want to say there has already been said by someone else . Well I'll drop by anyway and give you some ehhh encouragement Thanks for the encouragement for me!
@ Chris; thanks you're right about drawing something you know is going to come out well.. But I feel like I don't have time for that Right now I"m trying to draw stuff which I need to improve on, Šnd make it come out well so if that works I achieved both yay. I'm going to work more on the last speedie. You can regard it as something I know is going to come out well, or well, I am more confident in this one because it's monochromatic.. Colours are quite hard for me still. I'm posting a little update on the last speedie in this post.. I'm planning to work more on the face next time. I'm posting the reference as well
update!that's it, sorry I don't have more to show now.
More work on speedy, and a tryout of cool lightsource on the face.. I'm very happy about the improvement on this. Think I definately learned good things by doing this.
Will be back with update in a few days
lots of love
Marleen, these last two look pretty good. I really like the greyscale one however I think that there's something odd about the color one's neck, where it meets the shoulder. As far as the colors go, vast improvement over where it was before.
you got some nice stuff going on here.
As I am trying to learn to get skin colours right myself...I would say don't forget to think about the colour temperature but heh it does looks like you already does
My sketchbook flawed to the max page 5
Ps:Hope you understand my English.
Remember my advices taste best with a grain of salt.
Hello all, here's some quick replies, don't have much time, need to go to school in 10 minutes ^^
@ Chris; Thanks Yup you're definately right about the neck, I will fix that Must look more at ref.
@ Mindflaw; Thanks Yup I got reminded of temperature by Idiot Apathy, and now I'm trying to really keep it in mind.
Update!I hope I gave all of you some critting food !
They're mostly characters, some from ref and some from mind. I'll just put "ref" and "mind" underneath them so you can see.
left: from mind, I don't like her arm and shoes, and hips are prolly too wide? But I like how she turned out, considering it was totally from mind... Right: studies of a toy mouse, ref.
left: mind, right: ref
left: ref, right: face from ref, rest from mind (body pile concept FTW )
left: big face from life, rest mind, right: all mind (doodles in train)
Also all from mind (again train doodle)
Hi Marleen, nice sketches. I like those form ref, the girl with stripped shirt.
Also the face from life looks good. The digital one I don't like so much but I guess you are still starting, I think that there's something wrong with the left shoulder (seems something' missing there ), about the hips being too wide that only depends of the kind of body you want to make, since it is from your mind, but rigth now it look normal.
Just noticed in your signature that you have a website, but I guess it is new... , I like the entry page so far but I think you could refine the head a little bit more!
keep it up.
by the way I am going to visit your country this week, you think you could leave here some basic words (like good morning, hi, thanks... you know, the very basics!), if you don't mind of course!
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It seems to me that your "from mind" abilities are catching up to your "reffed" abilities. Although one thing that I notice is that it seems generally in your mind sketches you don't shade as much and those sketches lose some volume.
As a way of encouragement, keep up the studies and reffed pics cause it's paying off.
hey marleen, your definitely improving, and you lines are getting more fluid, keep working on that though, aim to only use one stroke to indicate a single line, i'm still working on that myself
one thing i noticed is the eye in this one looks good, but there is just something about it thats not working for me and i think its that the eye lids don't wrap around the eyeball they just stop? remember the eye is a sphere and the eye lids are just flaps of skin wrapping around the contour of the sphere. now i did these from my head and you were going from life so i could be terribly wrong, but maybe this helps you see my point.
good work marleen
@ voraz; thanks for all the great crit& comments! Agree with you on everything yay
@ Chris; thanks a lot! That made me smile a bit ^^ I'll try some more shading in the mind sketches. thanks!
@ Kronos; thanks a lot, I think you're right on about the eye.. Will try to look better at how the eyelid is shaped around the eyeball. Thanks for the eyes too, I see your point. I guess I didn't pay enough attention to fluid lines on this update (mainly because of the weird fineliners I used) but I will pay more attention on the lines next time. Thanks for the encouragement!
Update!Lots of love!
I had a really quick msn chat with Justin Oaksford this morning (the chat was approximately 5 lines ) and he gave me This AWESOME site!. I've been drawing some stuff from it with fine liners (sorry for the messy lines! Will keep them cleaner next time!). The quick figures you see in this update are all from that site, they're all 30 - 90 second sketches.
I did this yesterday with oil paints, the lowest layer is acrylics on cardboard and then I started with the oil paints.. I love love love oil paints and never want to use acrylics again in my life!
left: a quick messy not good doodle, and right; some old doodles
left: some other doodles, right: start of the quick 60-second figures
both pages are 60-second sketches
left: 60-sec, right: 90-sec
left: 30 sec, right: a bit of everything and some negative space stuff.
@ lirce; hi, thanks for stopping by! I did spend another 2 hours on the Bargue but I'm still working on the lines (I think I need another 5 hours or something to get them right.. When the lines are finished I'll post a Bargue update again though). Thanks for reminding me about the Bargue though.. Should work on it more. I saw that thing with the eyes too, but I guess I decided to just not go back on it anymore. I learned heaps since, so I just start new stuff..
Update! (yes, again)Lots of love,
I did a 2 hour digital study thingy.. I used a face as reference but tried to use my own colours to practice skintones. I think this is a good improvement..
Please crit though!
heres the digi, and on the right (duh ) the reference.
Last edited by NoŽ; May 24th, 2007 at 04:12 PM.
Hey, this latest digi is looking pretty nice. The skin tones that you chose seem to be working well.
Thanks for sharing that posing site with the rest of us, I'm definitely gonna do some of those soon. Keep up the good work.
sorry about the lack of crits but I got nothing right now.
@ Chris; thanks Yea, everybody should know about that site ^^.
Update!Hope you liked the bigger update. It's a lot of quicker stuff.
left: train doodles, very scribbly blegh, right: approximately 5 minutes each.. From PoseManiacs
right: blegh Waterhouse study and face doodles (gotta stop doodling so many faces.. )
right: a nŪce Waterhouse study.. I love that painting.. I'm going to try painting that girl with oils some day.
Blegh train people sketches
the beginning of turn around drawing from a really cool pose from www.posemaniacs.com/blog (GO THERE NOW (if you haven't already))
CLICK for big version
EDIT; this is a watercolour Waterhouse study which I just started (I spent about 2 hours on it so far). Expect this finished next update ! ^^
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Update!yea, that's it again..
It's "only" figures this time.. Spent about an hour on these pages.. God I love that 30 - 90 second drawing ^^)
left: bad scribbly scribbles from school, right: weird fineliner sunset cos I was bored and wanted to do something without thinking too much.
Next time: two finished watercolour things.. (I hope)
Oh and I'm really starting to neglect school work now ^^
This one is very nice, well done
You are definitely improving
hey marleen, your lines in those fast figure drawings are very nice, economic and good curves.
i think with the painting on post #412, thats cool to use your own colours but you will also learn a lot about colours by trying to get them as close to the reference as possible, using your own is kindof like a way to see where your colour knowledge is at but if you did nothing but that you would probably get stuck with one way of colouring something??? does that make sense? i'm just rambling
@ Lefran; thanks girl
@ Merlin; thanks too
@ Kronos; yes it does make sense. I'm also definately trying to get colour right on other stuffs (like the waterhouse water colour study ) and my next digi will be such a study. Thanks!
Update!It's more of the same really, but I hope you liked !
left: watercolour self portrait, neck should be darker, it wasn't finished but I don't feel like finishing it. Right: more quick gestures.
right: really messed up sketch It was nice until I did the watercolour over it.
60-second gestures on A3 paper
These were all pretty big 90-second gestures. They all were approximately 2/3 rd of the A3 paper in height. So I had to take separate photos, because each of them was done on a separate page in my A3 sketchpad.
left: character sketch.. I love this sketch and the idea, I think I'll make this a finished character.. The scene I created around her just doesn't make sense..
right: some perspective tryouts and environment, this was an idea for the teen challenge "the outbreak" but this is just not the right thing for it.
more tryouts.. It just keeps getting worse
untill this.. where I decided to stop .. Right: this was also really really awful The head is just HUGE, but I only noticed it when I scanned it! DOH
left: quick drawing in sketchbook from a tryout portrait drawing class.
right: third drawing I think from the tryout class.. The teacher was really not nice, she kept telling me to be scribbly and make many many lines and make the many lines be one line together.. But ehh wait a second.. Wasn't that what everybody's been telling me NOT to do? GRR So I decided to definately not do the portrait drawing course ^^
More from the tryout thing
And yes, these were all supposed to be the same guy I know, terrible..
I've decided to draw a male portrait a day from now on.
and now I really need to go sleep and tomorrow I need to do school work. Because I didn't do a thing for school this entire weekend! I'm so damn lazy!
I've decided to go do school stuff at school tomorrow, so I can't be distracted. And when I'm finished I'll go into the city to draw some buildings or something. I never did that, so it'll be interesting to say the least
Oh and now don't think I'm depressed or anything because I'm negative about my sketchies.. I really don't mind, I know I'm improving by doing them!
EDIT; hey! Page 8 already?! Cool
Last edited by NoŽ; June 3rd, 2007 at 06:08 PM.