Last edited by PeteJ; November 18th, 2013 at 02:05 AM.
I suggest you try to find a photo what's similar to that (shouldn't be too hard) and compare it yourself first. Then fix the mistakes you find and compare that to this image.
Yes I see now, damn, I must be blind off my ass.
Edit: I mean holy shit how did i miss that much
Last edited by PeteJ; November 11th, 2013 at 08:26 AM.
I don't think the proportions are really the problem, but the perspective is a bit weird. Her face is slanting forward very sharply, so if this person were drawn from the side, her chin would be very far forward compared to her forehead. Did you use any construction lines when building up the structure? That's the stage where you should ideally be identifying and correcting these issues. Also, you should probably reduce or eliminate the hair when doing studies like this - it really helps to be able to see the whole form of the head. And having the head on a slant might also inhibit your ability to see whether the perspective is correct or not.
Here's a really quick alteration of your image to try to show you what I mean. I used the lasso tool to select the face, then I use Transform > Distort to straighten out the face a bit.
Use it or loose it. And now I find myself trying remember where I lost my drawing skills...
It's the perspective. It always is. The longer you postpone training yourself up to some level of intuition in using perspective, the harder it will come back to bite you in the ass. Over and over again. No matter what sort of thing you attempt: mechs, archers or pretty ladies, the words "PeteJ doesn't know perspective" will bear repeating.
Drawing heads from imagination without solid perspective skill is just punching way way above your weight. Nothing wrong in trying it out, just be aware you won't be able to pull it off properly.
@dierat No I guessed everything, and well, I'm not going to do that again.
This time I looked at a reference as TinyBird suggested for a few seconds, and triplecheck my perspective. But it is still pretty much done without looking at anything for the most part.
Is there any other way other than loomis's method of constructing the head, because I keep tripping over with his way.
Edit:another question, in order for the jaw to look larger when tilted this way, I must do the head in 3 point perspective?
Last edited by PeteJ; November 11th, 2013 at 07:26 PM.
Try drawing/studying from your photo reference for more than a few seconds. See if you can break down your reference into the basic sphere and cube. See if your center points are actually correct. You still don't have a good sense of where the major landmarks are and it shows. You just said you're not going to try guesswork, but you're still doing it.
You can try Michael Hampton for another approach to figure breakdown, but if you've got to understand how the basic forms work (spheres, cubes), first
Alright thanks prepsage. I have a couple more questions.
I could never tell if the eye is on a curve plane? They always look like they are on a flat surface to me.
And is the brow ridge and the cheek bone added on the sphere or is the eye socket cutted in to create the brow and cheeks?
Hold a flat object across your brow line and see if it touches both brows. That should answer your question regarding whether or not it's on a flat surface. In fact, spend some time staring in to the mirror and actually touching your face. Note what extrudes, what indents. All this Loomis, etc are just guidelines for simplified ways of thinking of the human form. Don't hold them above actually looking at real stuff (considering you're a human...hopefully).
Best of all, learn the anatomy of the head and figure out your own way which would reflect the points YOU are looking for in a head.
Essentially, yes. Everything must be in proper perspective, from the whole head to the tip of the nose.Edit:another question, in order for the jaw to look larger when tilted this way, I must do the head in 3 point perspective?
why are you so reluctant to do it properly? It is really hard to learn, but that's the point! Like LaCan said no matter what you do you need to learn this stuff! I suggest you watch Proko tv on youtube, his episode on heads. Also Burne Hogarth drawing the human head.
^For some reason I thought, if I vaguely understand how a box work in perspective, I can guess it perspective in anything when drawing.
I spent the last 2 day studying the head, restudying perspective and attempted again. This time I looked at reference to check after constructing the head in this drawing.
Now, I just want to know if I am at least on the right track.
Last edited by PeteJ; November 14th, 2013 at 01:55 AM.
Try drawing in pencil on paper. It should improve your lines because a pencil is much easier to control than a stylus.
And try drawing people from life. You need to develop a better mental model of the head structure, and you should look at real people to do that efficiently.
I skimmed through this and yeah, it seems your problems arise from perspective. Also though I think you can't fit the features onto it properly. I suggest practicing being able to paint a planar construction of the head--I find it really helps me when I run into issues with things.
I did a quick paintover here. Thinking of the entire mass of the eye and of the mouth as one unit will help a lot. Thinking of them as balls, it is easy to wrap the lips or eyelids around them and get them in properly. I also drew the centerline and some parallel alignments of things overtop of it (I think in this way but don't ever bother to draw them really). Personally I don't believe in using a box to draw the head. You didn't even follow the box for this image it appears. Think of the perspective, but don't draw it all out and be a slave to it because it will ruin your drawing and probably introduce more mistakes.
EDIT: Just for the fun of it here is the other one. The nose and the mouth weren't in agreement with the eyes and chin and forehead. Thinking of the centerline running down the face you can keep it symmetrical.
Last edited by Andrew Sonea; November 14th, 2013 at 03:38 AM.
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@arenhaus, I have been, the problem is, the only real person I can draw is my own face in front of a mirror and ocassionally some quick sketches of people in McDonald's. Other than that, it's just photographs.
@andrew Thanks for the paint over. On my third try I still drew it out first but I also used your method.
She came out looking like an unknown race :/
Last edited by PeteJ; November 14th, 2013 at 05:46 PM.
I'll post up some of my self portrait if you want to see it.
Edit: I added one of my self portrait
I fixed the size of her chin, I didn't notice it was too big.
Last edited by PeteJ; November 14th, 2013 at 09:21 PM.
I'll repeat what has been said with some emphasis: at this stage of your learning, don't use reference as inspiration, use it to learn: to copy what you see as accurately as possible. Don`t change the lighting, the hairstyle, the clothes, anything. This holds if you are drawing from life or from photos. Your hand doesn`t yet know how to translate what you are looking at onto the page accurately. You need to train it.
If you are using reference photos, in photoshop you can overlay your sketch onto the photo and see where you are going wrong. People here will also be able to say to you "here is where you went wrong".
Finally, use decent reference. Faestock: http://faestock.deviantart.com/gallery/33686907 has a nice resource - the same pose but different lighting - will really help you see what the forms are.
It is better to draw from life than from photos; photos do funny things to detail and color, and make it too easy to lapse into copying flat shapes instead of building a solid structure.
It is better to learn drawing with pencil on paper than on computer, because the computer adds too many layers of indirection. Speaking of which: read this, use the proper pencil grip and use your whole arm to draw instead of just the hand; you are scribbling.
Okay I finally figured out what I was doing wrong; I was sitting too close at the mirror, so it distorted everything I see.
So yeah I just want someone to check what I did with the information I provide with what I know about my proportions.
Here's what I notice about my features:My ears are smaller than average and it is lower than my browridge, my hairline seems to be a bit lower than average, and my nose is be a tiny bit wider than normal; like by a few millimeters.
Edit:Also I'm slightly overweight; it drove me crazy when I tried to draw the line of my cheeks because my fat curve was so slight; I'm not even sure if I still got that right.
Last edited by PeteJ; November 18th, 2013 at 02:13 AM.