rem92 thanks for the honest feedback and you are right I do need to work a lot on my forms, my rendering look very flat at the mo slow process at the mo.
PerfectGet thanks for dropping by again and n worries aways happy to give you a bit of feed back. Yeah been working hard on faces proportions placement ect. I think starting to break things down into shapes made it al less scary and easier to be more accurate. Vilppu has really helped me with that.
In light of my flat rendering did some sphere studies today from ref, prob not the best method. This is the best o the bunch tried to render with the form and capture the form a bit better. Not too impressed.
Then another long study this time of a pepper still need to work on separating my values a bit better but sometimes get a bit lost i the process and end up not being able to really capture the value transitions well.