You pick your mountain and you start climbing. As long as you believe it's possible for you to reach the top then you'll probably have a pretty good journey up and die happy. If you don't believe it's possible for you to reach the top then either you're the sort of person who enjoys hanging out on a mountain just because, and you'll die happy, or you're going to be a jealous whiner the whole way and you should pick some other mountain to climb.
It's all about the journey and if the journey makes you a miserable fuck then you're wasting your life.
I think it's matter of realising that you'll be the only person that can truly realise your vision once you get the neccessary skills. Then there is really no better or worse. The challange is really finding your vision and it can take a long while. Questions that you might ask yourself would be: "Is there something that I find interesting but it doesn't appear in any art I see?", "What unique valuable things can I contribute to the world of illustration/conceptart/whatever ?"
Art isn't sport.
There's no race to win, mountain to climb or laurels to sit on.
And it need's no paralymics to provide a goal for the less fortunate.
It gives what you give.
Nothing more, nothing less.
It's like life.
So give it the best of yourself; your effort, your concern, your attention, your time, your interest... and most important of all, your love.
From Gegarin's point of view
so thats the answer? just be outstandingly positive and just push as hard as you can forever no matter what..push any voice away that encourages "cant"?
how can we all make it? if everybody could make it wouldnt that devalue "making it" and it just be "the way it goes"?
isnt the point of considering great artist "great" is the fact that they have made it to a level the average person cant? or at least "cant" in terms of their brains ability to learn vs their drive to improve vs the actual time to accomplish these personal goals.
if we all had 1000 years then sure, anybody could be great given enough time.. but we dont have that long.
i dont know.
im more than likely going to take the other artist route and just kill myself.
not trying to be a downer nor am i saying that just because "omg what a whiney artist"
im just, having general forum art discussion with other artist, well.. with artist. i am not that.
As I said, art isn't sport.
'Making it' has only to do with 'making it; as in hitting the big time is only to do with hitting the big time.
If you live by that sword you will die by that sword.
If that pleases you then go ahead and do it.
From Gegarin's point of view
Battlebattle there is more to life than art. If you truly think that, then your art will never have life.
Define "making it". What is that? Making a survival with your artwork? Making a living? Being a superstar?
Life is mostly the "way it goes". What makes the difference is dealing with that. Trying and maybe winning, or trying, failing and trying again, or trying, then trying and going off to try something else... or copping out and never trying at all for fear of failure.
Can't remember whose signature is "At least Icarus tried", but there's definitely something in that...
That analogy reminded me of something.If you live by that sword you will die by that sword.
Someone once posted on forums translated fragment from The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi. It was book directed to warriors but it can as well apply to artists - http://conceptart.org/forums/showpos...3&postcount=50
Also there's a reason why martial arts masters practiced in solitude. This way they could face their weakness better. I think it's healthy to take longer breaks from looking at other art so that you can focus on your own skills.
About 2 years ago I looked at awesome artists and I'd be like, I could never reach that, boo hoo, why try anymore. I'm a failure and should just give up.
Now I look at awesome artists and i'm like, okay, so what do I need to know to be able to do THAT? What do they know that I don't? What are they doing that makes me feel this way about their art?
Art that doesn't reach into the realms of personal expression, voice, and being, is definitely teachable, definitely learnable. There are universal truths and laws about light that we CAN learn. There are universal truths about the way human bodies move. We can learn those. We can't BECOME someone else, but the whole point is to go to the gym to strength train so that we can go out on the field and pole vault in our own style.
Also, either way you get points for trying. I'd rather die with 10,000 painting disasters than anything else.
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Well, firstly, better is a relative word. They may know how to render proper form and draw accurate anatomies, but in the end you're the only one in the world who knows the color of your underwear.
And to improve your weakness, weakness also being relative, you would have to identify it first. You can't do that in solitude as a martial artist fighting a dummy everyday.
Twinkle, twinkle little star
I don't wonder what you are
For by spectroscopic ken
I know that you are hydrogen - Ian D.
Is this about -- art or ego and prestige?
Do you actually enjoy art? Because when I like doing something I don't ask myself whether I can "make it" before I do it. I don't ask myself whether baking is going to lead to me being a celebrity chef, I just make the cookies and eat them. If I never become a famous artist I won't feel like the time I spent drawing had been wasted. If I had really wanted to spend that time doing something else I'd have done it.
If you realize that you often get discouraged and aggressive when looking at great art/artists, you should take a step back and really think hard about if you really want to do art, or if you just want to "have done" art.
If I love riding my bike, I don't care about all the people who can go faster.
If I would work as a Bicycle messenger, I also wouldn't care about them bike-athletes.
I would care about delivering my stuff on time and always trying to find new shortcuts on my way through the city.
If I meet Greg, the fastest Bike-Messenger in town, I'll ask him how he manages to get by the traffic jams on 8th Ave.
My point is: If you _often_ get jealous and angry at good artists, there is something wrong.
We eat, shower, fuck, play and drink and don't give a damn about the ones who eat more, shower longer, fuck more (ok not this one), play better games and drink more, because it's IN US, and if you're really an artist, it's also IN YOU dammit. And if not, find the thing that's IN YOU.
You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what other people can and can't do. It doesn't matter what the statistics say. Because, once it's real, it's real. Whether you make it or not is completely dependent upon yourself. If you don't feel like you can make it, then you probably can't. Confucius say "He who says he can and he who says he can't are both usually right."
It's about reaching self actualization and understanding that as an observer of the universe you are the consciousness that is here to observe and change.
You beat out millions of little sperm dude. the statistics said that the specific little guy you once were, would never make it. But yet, here you are.This has got to be a cake walk in comparison!
"If you wan't something, go get it. Period."
My SketchBook http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=139784
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=192127"Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."-John Huston, Director
Pff, no, not if "Great" equals "Famous" or "Rich"... There have been plenty of people with skills that might be considered average or sub-par compared to others who nonetheless become rich and/or famous due to any variety of flukes (having the right product at the right time, getting hyped by the right people, or just being really really good at marketing themselves...) (Ahem, Thomas Kinkaide...)isnt the point of considering great artist "great" is the fact that they have made it to a level the average person cant? or at least "cant" in terms of their brains ability to learn vs their drive to improve vs the actual time to accomplish these personal goals.
But seriously, do you even enjoy making art on any level? Or do you just want to become a "Great Artist", as in, famous? Because if that's the case, you're coming at it ass backwards and might be better off finding something you DO enjoy... Otherwise, yes, you are wasting your time.
(And if I recall your post history, you really don't seem to be enjoying the actual process of making art very much... If you never enjoy the process in any way and only care about the end result, art is a terrible career to choose...)