Also thanks for all these links guys! Definitely going to check them out!
Also thanks for all these links guys! Definitely going to check them out!
new questions after a bit of a hiatus;
a) when creating our work for our portfolios, what type of size constraints should we be staying within?
I've looked for the information and couldn't find it. since we send the portfolios digitally, maybe it doesn't matter? Either way what is your personal advice?
b1) I am a bit confused when it comes to the subject matter of a given observational portfolio piece.
How can a reviewer tell the difference between a drawing from life, or a drawing from a photo from life? Is it better to sit outside and paint a picture of a tree in changing light, or to take a picture of said tree of choice, so it would be an original image, and paint it that way.
b2) As well i have looked over some portfolios sent and accepted, and i've seen several gesture drawings, and sketches.
how does one create a "finished" gesture drawing. i understand what a gesture drawing is, but like a contour drawing, in my opinion the loose lines and lack of form, emphasis on lines and shapes, seem incomplete in my opinion. How can one get into an art school on a drawing that takes only a few seconds, and only makes an open impression of form?
in advance i would like to thank any and all who answer me. thank you.
If you’re good at drawing, I think there is no way to really tell if the drawing is from life or not. Understanding the anatomy of light and shadow (highlight, mid-tone, core shadow, reflective light, etc) makes a big difference in determining where your drawing is believable. A lot of students fall short in these aspects making their piece appear flat. It’s always good practice to draw from life since it is more difficult but you can see details you wouldn’t be able to find in a photograph plus Ringling does a lot of life drawing so be prepare.
Gesture drawings are meant to look incomplete. Unlike contour drawing, gesture drawing capture movement and energy and can be more expressive than a complete rendering. If you can convey that, then your job is done. To me, that is more of a complete drawing that a contour one. I’ve seen students include a series of gesture pose in one piece or they combine gesture drawings into one. My only suggestion is to go to a book store or Amazon and get some good gesture drawing books and study the variation of lines, forms, and curves artist uses.
all this is such great advice. thank you everyone who keeps this threat active!!
yes, i'm also a computer animation hopeful, hopefully filling out the common app and hopefully gathering together a portfolio.. but my main concerns are the financial aid and moving to florida all the way from new england.
good luck to us all)))
even in doing a long pose, our figure teacher still emphasizes on gestures. so take 2 minutes to do the gesture of the pose, then spend the rest of the time putting in the muscles, structure and rendering it. if you dive straight into making it look shaded and pretty, you'll realize that in the end your drawing lacks life and energy, it's just a pretty picture.
=) good luck!
Hey, Cat! Yeah Its a really nice school. Expensive...but nice x_x;; and sure, np.
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Hey guys, new here and I tried posting this on various answer sites, but this looks like my best shot to get answers.
Thanks so much for reading and (hopefully) answeringI'm currently a junior in high school and I need to start thinking about college. I didn't really know where to start, so I decided to find a school that has strong programs relating to my interests, mainly theater, animation, and computer stuff in general. I was snooping around a bit when my friend showed me a viewbook from Ringling where I saw that it was the #1 Computer Animation school in the US as ranked by 3dWorld Magazine. At first I was skeptical, but then I researched the school online and it looked really promising. A huge plus is that I live about 40 minutes from Sarasota, so location is no problem, and I have Florida Prepaid as well as the Bright Futures Scholarship, so tuition wouldn't be as bad.
However, my parents aren't completely thrilled at the notion of me attending a non-academic college so I want to make sure this is a really good school and that I have a shot at getting in. Here's where the questions come into play:
1. Is the CA program at Ringling really THAT good?
2. Does admissions look for art skill in your portfolio or animation skill?
3. If you don't really have the aforementioned art skill, do you still have a shot at getting in?
4. Based on my current interests (Theater, Computers, Animation), do you think this is a good choice for me? Note that I've tried putting thought into a career before, and this is the most attached I've gotten to an idea.
Hey Shiden. I'm currently a senior CA student, working on my thesis film. Hopefully I can answer most of your questions.
1.) Ringling's CA program really IS that good. It's unmatched--really. Animation Mentor's online program teaches you how to animate well, but that's IT. (Also, you don't get a degree from AM). Academy of Art University is similar in that you won't be well-rounded. At SCAD and CalArts, you don't even have to FINISH your films. Ringling produces the strongest 3D generalists around--which is the way the industry is moving. I interned at Sony Pictures Animation over the summer, and this was something brought up. More and more studios are wanting people with multiple skillsets. You'll get that education at Ringling.
Not to mention... Recruiters to Ringling include Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, Blue Sky, Sony, Laika, EA, ActiVision, Blizzard.... Just to name a few. Literally. That's just a small handful of all of the companies that recruit (AND HIRE!) at Ringling in the spring.
2.) Admissions looks only at your ability to draw from life. Draw representationally!
3.) You really do need to have strong drawing skills to get into the CA program. However, the good news is that ANYONE can learn how to draw from life! You just look at what's there...and draw it! It's not like you need to pull things from your head.
4.) Those are all skills that feed into animation, yes. Whether or not you'd be happy doing it as a career is a question only you can answer. See if you can take some classes either at your high school or maybe do dual enrollment at a Community College and just play around with Maya. The best way to figure out if you like it is to get your feet wet!
As far as your parents not being thrilled... Well, if you wanted to be a lawyer, you'd go to Harvard, right? Well... if you want to work in the animation industry, you need to go to a school that's equally specialized. Ringling fits the bill.
And the biggest, biggest, BIGGEST thing I can recommend is to visit Ringling yourself! (And you should come schedule a tour for a Monday morning--I'll be your tour guide, then! )
Wow! Thanks for the response!
I was planning to go to the open house this Saturday morning, but something came up and I'm not able to make it D: And I've been doing some 2d animation for about a year now and I find it really enjoyable, so I'd love to make a career out of it. I'll try to schedule a visit when I can, and when that time comes I'll contact you, so thanks for the offer
Also, one more question: Do you know if Ringling accepts Bright Futures and/or Florida Prepaid? I wasn't really sure about that. Thanks bunched for the reply! For now, I'm gonna go work on my life drawing skills 8D *arts*
Hey again Shiden,
Yep! I'm pretty sure that Ringling accepts both. However, it's not a percentage with Ringling's tuition--I think it caps out at $3k or $5k or something. Talk to a real admissions counselor for the specifics.
And hahahaha artmessiah. Man, hope you're having a great time, too! Senior year is so much better than previous years! (For a 1 character film, anyway!)
I was thinking about setting up a visit when i can, (living in new jersey this isn't all that easy) and i was wondering when is the best time to set this up? how does one do this?
I plan on doing this while my mother is on a holiday break, she works for the NJBOE, but wants to move to florida, so it seems as though two birds can be killed with one stone. this means that Ringling may be on break... right?
since i'm planning this around november, will there be anyway to get my portfolio reviewed so that i can re work it for the next month before sending it in?
I'd have to take a plane down to florida, and i don't even know where i'd get off or where i'd go afterwords. plus i don't drive. any advice?
I haven't talked to anyone in the school, as in admissions or deans, etc, but i figured someone here could give me a basic idea, if not a better one than i'd get otherwise.
thanks for any help.
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Hi everyone, National Portfolio Day is coming up this Saturday and I am freaking out on what to show. What types of pieces you recommend bringing to a portfolio review? Especially if you're interested in the CA program?
I got back from the open house at Ringling today, and I have to say that the programs seem absolutely fantastic there. I would really love to attend if I could. The only thing that really worries me is the cost of the school. How does one go about paying for an art school like Ringling without breaking the bank?
From what I understand so far, there's financial aid (of course), but there's a limit to that, and whatever financial aid doesn't cover is paid through scholarships, grants, and loans. I'm sure that I could get some scholarships, but probably not enough to cover whatever is left, which is where the loans would come in, right?
After coming out of the financial aid conference today and hearing that the "average" debt that a student leaves from the school with is about 45,000... my heart plummeted. Moreover, the speaker went on to explain that having a job while going to school at Ringling doesn't really work very well, what with the difficult curriculum and all ( which is understandable), but I don't know how else to pay if I can't work to earn the money? Are there any alumni that can give an idea of how they paid through school?
I figured it would be okay to post these questions here, since it pertains to Ringling, but if it's not okay, I apologize. *Newbie*
hey mischavie, i'm no alumni, i'm just another hopeful, so i can't be of too much help, and any information i give may be wrong,
but from what i read and understand, basically you are expected to go into a bit of debt no matter what you do. I think summers are off, at least for certain programs, again i'm not an alumni, in fact i've never been within 30 miles of the school, so i think you could get summer jobs, though later on i believe many successful students have used that time to travel and or intern. Unless you come from money or have someone willing to pay for you, i think you are simply going to be in debt; but from what i understand, an art education is one of the most expensive no matter what school you go to.
a friend of mine is actually a senior at ringling CA program, he kind of made me look into the school (thank you paul), but he was in debt before attending, so once he got in he basically figured that no matter what he'd be in debt, so he went for it. The education and sleepless nights are worth it. He says he wouldn't change going into debt at ringling at all (though he might change not going to ringling sooner).
on another note, i missed the open house. so how was it? did you meet other hopefuls? What is that area of florida like? I'm a jersey boy, i like what the school produces but i've only been to florida once and that was to see disney land (or disney world, which ever one is in florida), so any info you can give would be nice. If i can get into ringling, i really don't care what it looks like but it might be nice to know the area from someone who saw it recently for open house reasons.
and anyone who wants to answer any of the above stated questions; You are more than welcome to.
anyway, my understanding, is that you take out a huge loan (or set of loans), spiral into debt, but get an awesome education, then like a doctor, live off ramen in a roach infested one closet apartment for several years while you pay off your debt. Good thing art isn't about becoming rich huh?
Hmm, thanks for responding, Themegagod.
I understand that on one hand, it's really good to go to an art school despite the high price because of the experience one can gain from attending there (IE: networking, great education taught by professional artists, etc.), but I'm not sure I want to get stuck with such a large debt, especially considering how hard it is to get a job in today's sucky economy. I wouldn't mind going to a regular 4-year college to study art, but I'm having a very hard time finding a university nearby that has a good illustration program — I might not be looking hard enough, I guess.
As far as Ringling is concerned, I think the school is wonderful. Most of the students I've met there were very nice (they helped us when we got lost a few times, lol) and the professors there all seemed very passionate about what they taught. Needless to say, the work produced by the students there are — without a doubt — professional. Overall, I'd say that the school has a very strong sense of an art community — everyone takes what they do seriously while enjoying it, too. That's probably the biggest reason why I'd personally want to go... to be surrounded by fellow artists who you can learn from and by inspired by. It's that kind of school environment that motivates you to do more, you know?
Now, I know some people are suckers for how the campus "looks," so I will be honest and say that if a person wants to go to a school for a beautiful campus, this location is not for that person. It's not exactly the high-end art school you'd imagine, what with how much money a student pays to go there, but they are still adding on to the school, so who knows how it will look as time progresses? Moreover, it's located in Sarasota, which is a very nice city. Not extravagant, by any means, but still pleasing (namely because of the waterfront buildings).
I just received a beautiful 1-inch thick, hard backed, 257 page promotional book in the mail from Ringling. It really is well designed, but my first thought was how much the school must have spent to make these??? This is on top of several other thick pamphlets that came only weeks ago. The tuition could be lowered if it weren't for these things!!
Yeah, my same thought when i received my book from ringling. I thought it was some type of mini-textbook i didn't know i ordered at first. i'm used to these tiny 50 pg pamphlets that say "join our school" not a whole book; but i was happy to get it. I keep it in with my reading books, as though it's a real book. it feels like one, it looks like one, so it must be.
Not to sound ignorant, but from looking at your gallery Lane, you already go to school. if you don't mind my asking why are you getting books from ringling? are you transferring in? Either way you have some good art, i'm just being nosy.
I was at open house too! (giving tours and working on the CA/GAD floor).
Yeah, debt's a big concern with a lot of people here. And wow, if that's the average debt I'm way out of the average, and I'm on scholarships.... A lot of people go in on it with the idea that they'll be prepared with the necessary skills to go out and enter the industry right after graduation - that's why I'm here. It's a hard risk to take, but at the same time it's an investment in your future - so invest wisely. Not only are we talking about money, we're also talking about four years of your life.
A word about the Ringling catalog...
The catalog is the school's primary publication. It's how they reach all you guys who want to know about the school, so it's nice that put the extra effort for you guys. That said, it probably is a bit more expensive to produce than other schools' catalogs (most of the art schools' catalogs are just as thick anyways, but I've noticed that Ringling is rather image oriented beyond that). The catalogs used to be paper back too but they switched to hardback in 2007 I think.... Although... for Ringling the catalog is more than just a way to get the word and work out to prospective students, it's something they really pride themselves in and actually get awards for. All the print material that the school sends out is designed at the Design Center on campus and it's my understanding that it's staffed by a good amount of student interns too.
Also, I'm no expert on money managing, but don't just jump to the conclusion that tuition is paying for that stuff. It might be, I don't know, but I know tuition isn't the only source of money for the school and people keep an eye on what money pays for what (for example, the school's renovation of the old high school into a contemporary art museum is being funded entirely by donors, NONE of it is coming from the students).
Hey everyone, Ringling 2011 hopeful here too. Been lurking since the '09 thread, I remember so many people who have been helping applicants on CA.org since then! I'm actually just applying to some art schools this year to be familiar with the application process and know what I have to improve on in order to be admitted (hopefully ofc) after CC. Maybe even transfer in as a sophomore if there's room, who knows? we're a bit far from that now though at the current skill level haha, but hey, that's what practice is for. Reminder to everyone to get to looking for scholarships and grants already, even if you think it's too early! Ringling is expensive as hell, and there are thousands and thousands of kids out there looking for free money from companies and organizations. good luck everyone!
Hey all! I'm back again. After a very busy several weeks with Trig and my horses. I don't know if anyone else here is, but I'm going to the artist's retreat that's in North Carolina later this month. They send out a supply list based on what class you're taking, and I was able to get nearly all of my supplies at Hobby Lobby, of all places. But I have a problem! On the list it says:
"Colored Conté of Paris Set of 12-24 colors. The more, the better. *Note:
Avoid sets with neon and bright colors - choose neutral and natural colors."
That's great we have advice on what kind of colors to go for, but... Conté of Paris makes all kinds of different pastels! I bought a set of pencil pastels, and another set of normal pastels that were in portrait (mostly skintone) shades. Anyone have any idea of what I should really have?
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themegagod- I'm about to graduate with a graphic design degree from a local university. If there is one thing I've learned over these 4 years, it is that I DON'T want to do graphic design!! lol. It bores me to death. So I am looking into Ringling and other schools to see if I can find something in the entertainment field.
Lizzybeth- You make some valid points about the catalog. It is very well designed, and if it does serve greater purposes than just marketing, then I'm sure the production costs are worth it.
@ themegagod: I was a Ringling 2011 hopefull illustration prog untill I got a FedEx from the school today....I got a place!!!! Then in about 5 seconds later I thought of the weight of the tuition fees my parents will carry. It does hit you hard. My agreement was to pay back my parents slowly when I start working again. Finances will play a large role in the decision. Just need to be careful where the money is from, and how it will be earned back in the future if required.
I'm an international student; did not have the luxury of going down to the school to check out model portfiolios that Ringling is looking for. But I guess the simple guideline I followed was "observational drawing". I can relate to them why they are so particular on that. One way is to help some people who tend to like to draw things from imagination, neglecting details that we might have the potential to draw if we took something as reference. Ringling wants to see that full potential. Ultimately, just make sure your work kicks ass. Obviously if you are able to paint and draw beautiful unicorns or dragons like Sammy Hall, they will be able to see it.
@ Lane: Wow dude, saw your works in your website. Looks awsome. Are you sure you need to go to an art school with skills of such a level?
I'm also on scholarships, which are very helpful (pays to be a Florida resident and have a great portfolio/ GPA 8D!) But even with scholarships I'm looking at a little more then what was said about average debt.
Here's some advice if you're really hurting for money.
Go to a local community college for a year first and load up on classes. Not only did I get rid of all the non-major related classes I would have to take senior year, but I also get to pay less my senior year, since, I'm only taking a few classes which means I'm not full time. I also made my GPA higher this way, and best of all, it was all FREEEEE.
Also, my freshman and sophomore year, I went ahead and got some private loans to cover anything that scholarships/ federal loans didn't. They required I pay during the school year. Whats the benefit? I didn't have to pay any interest what so ever. Private loans have pretty high interest rates, one reason why the total sum of money owed by your senior year is high. it was hard, since working and being in Computer animation is very hard, but I managed to get all A's and pay off the loan on time, so it is possible! It's just very hard work (LOTS of sleepless nights).
Also, live OFF campus! Living on campus has it's benefits sure, but for 400+ less you can live off campus, right next door, and save a lot of money. Cook for yourself (I lived on rice and ramen ) and spend much less a day then if you're on a meal plan (which can be about 8$ a day)
And of course, look for local scholarships (online too) even something as small as 150 dollars can make a huge difference. Ringling has a list of local scholarships you can check out
And of course, ANNOY the people in Financial aid. ANNOY THEM! They will want you to go away and will throw money at you
Nah, but really, just make yourself known there. They are very nice and if you beg enough/ make yourself known they will know how bad you want to be here and will consider you when hand outs come up. Be sure to write lots of thank you letters as well!
Woww, sorry guys! I said I'd post some of the details of the open house on here, but I got so caught up with the end of the quarter and getting and making sure everything was done it went way over my head.
Open house was fantastic- the professors and students were very kind, and it was obvious they were very passionate about their jobs. I didn't have time to go to the CA lecture, but I went to the Illustration lecture and it was epic! He showed some artwork [which is on their website] and talked about careers you could do with an illustration major. Basically everything Ringling students have talked about on this, and previous forum's is what the Professor told me. I'd just be kicking up old dust if I repeated old comments xD' One of the odd/cool things I learned from my tour guide was that they're actually really serious about Quidditch- they're going to nationals or something along that sort. Not really relevant to what others wanted to know, but I thought it was an interesting little fact.
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