thnx for sharing helpful things
this amount of studies will surely pay back
Awesome, thank you for the kind words, definitely, I'm probably going back to more daily studies now, I feel my rhythym for things going this way.
Onto some eye studies, going all around the face and onto the body soon. I feel weak on female faces and things, so something to practice me thinks.
Some of these are rough.. I'm just starting with them, trying to get used to the style, I will try to improve on the quality as I make my way through the chapters.
Referenced from Christopher Hart's Cutting Edge Anatomy book if anyone's curious.
Hey, your style is very interesting, People usualy try to do things as clean and sharp as possible, but some of your pictures, like the face on
June 26th, 2010, 08:03 PM looks realy cool because of being so etheric and uncertain. I don't know if this is intention or not, but i looks cool. May be it would be more difficult, however, to learn paint believable realistic basics, if you paint this way.
Keep pushing the head studies, you'll get it eventually!
Puuuuuush it to the limit!
Just keep an eye on the proportions. Use a mirror and check your own face for reference and try to make up your own guidlines and borrow others. I do that all the time. Just watch out so all images doesn't end up looking like yourself
nice nice, keep pushing and yep you will get it.Actually the more you are able to understand it as a compination of 3d shapes the more easier will be for you to do it in every angle.Keep up doing it on the sphere.
I promise to get that tattoo design up soon! I'd say for your studies try to focus on quality rather than quantity. Personally I feel as though doing one long study really well is better than a hundred so/so studies. Try to really really focus on structure. A lot of your facial features for example, just seem to be placed in space, rather than being a part of the skull and face. What might help is if you start off by drawing everything as a plane, or general shape. Once you have the proportions right then you can go in and do the details, just don't jump the gun.
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Sheesh.. I've become so lazy.. no cylinder studies or female ones yet!
Struggled with perspective today, I will show my drawings once I have the plan views finished in perspective.
asiJa - Thank you, I'm glad you like the style. To be honest, I'm aiming for realism, but I just don't yet possess the skills to pull it off. I dearly would love to hit a nice balance between a good painting and a realistic rendering.
The uncertainty arises from the fact that most of the time I get lost in what I'm doing, and then I forget things, like how the face is supposed to look. I'm still not even comfortable with the way I paint, it is an uneasy feeling, but with practice and finding out how to get the opacity and flow to work for me, rather than against what I have in mind.
Yip, that's the goal though, I would like to be more believable and honest in my approach. Thank you bro, keep well for now, I'll check through your work soon.
Loathsome - Hey bro! Thank you for the great encouragement. I must confess to being rather lazy at the moment. I'm trying to claw back the energy. I will do as you say and keep pushing forward, but I'm drawing a lot slower now, trying to learn from the strokes I make, as you guys have been telling me, so the drawings will be fewer now.
Sure thing, I will also work on the proportion as you have mentioned and make an honest effort to do some nicely proportioned faces using guidelines and a mirror.
Avvatar - Thank you bro, I shall do as you say, I've already started to slow down a bit, especially with these latest studies, I'm going more carefully now (although I may do a few pages of quick heads, Alex Tooth recommended this). But yeah, you're right, slower is better as I need to learn what to draw first! And correct mistakes too.
Okay guys, here are tonight's measily studies, they're from life, and they were done much slower, I'm trying to learn the things you guys have talked about: form drawing, mass, anatomy and proportions.
Generally just drawing slower at the moment.
Okay, sorry for the essay but just letting you know what I'm doing, maybe it will help you with your own drawing problems. Thank you.
try focusing more on proportion with some of the images. Mainly with the head. It's a bit big in some drawings.
Keep it up, doesn't matter if its a little as long as your still at it.
PS: Glade you like the girl and her eyes. No I'm not gonna change them. Good enough for me. That painting is done
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do studies of faces from photos and life take your time with them all of your studies look rushed, your rendering looks really rushed and that just doesnt add up well at all in the end. go to a celebrity cite and just go through the photos one day and draw dozens of faces and try to get everything down, it doesnt have to be perfect but your person shouldnt look like et either. then the next day do recall try to draw what you did yesterday without looking, and if you struggle look back at your old drawings or do more studies.
Hey man, my advice is to take a step back and focus on pure form. Try using simple cylinders, spheres, and cubes to make your bodies, and take your time making them right. Remember the order of figure drawing: Gesture (the most important), Form, and then any Anatomy. Just go through the figure over and over and each time clarify it a tad more until it's done. Try to avoid the scratchy lines and just remember to think through the forms instead of worrying about contours so much. Hope that helps
Myst - Thank you for the encouragement, I will keep in mind the head size for my drawings for sure, sometimes it slips, need to be more careful! Good luck with your next drawings too.
Krato - Hey bro, yeah, you're right, I can't seem to get the rendering convincing enough. It isn't really rushed, I do spend time on it, it's just I can't get it to read well enough at the moment. I will keep up the studies as you recommend though and try and improve on these things. Have fun with your next drawings bro.
Jeremy - Hey! Great stuff, I've gone back to the basic forms tonight and just sketched them out in these latest studies. It definitely helps as you say.
So here we go guys, I've slowed down a lot and just done gesture and form stuff.
Good luck with your own drawings and thank you! =)
nice work on the gestures mate.the rendering will become better when you actually understand what kind of form you are rendering.so as long as you manage to make good simplify of forms into basic objects, then everything will be easier for you
keep up the good work
Hey bro, thank you, I will keep trying to simplify. Going to do some more form drawing in the coming days and try to render some things.
I would be interested in some feedback on this? It's a 1 hour speed painting, I'm most interested to know what you guys think though? What could've I done better perhaps? What is glaringly wrong perhaps?
Please let me know, just a few things to know would be nice, you don't have to go crazy on the critique.
Thank you very much.
Nice work on the last piece, ive scouted through your whole thread and its cool too se one grow, continue witht hat. I really like the spfinx drawing! and your face in profile looks sweet too, Keep going strong!
Stay a while and listen!
Cool bro, I'm happy to hear that you can see me improving.
Sometimes I think I'm not improving at all, and I'm actually going backwards. Other days I wake up and really have to think about things, the direction I'm going in and how far along I am on the road, it is an uneasy feeling.
I'll take a look through your work soon. Thank you for the encouragement, let's go foward positively and have fun while we're doing it!
Here are tonight's figure studies, they are in preparation for my next character design.
Also I have here a photo of the basic shapes made from plasticine (Nu-plast), it was left over clay from a rather dismal maquette project I attempted in my first year University course.
Cool, onward, good luck with your own drawings and paintings everyone!
Hey, I set a new challenge for myself tonight, to paint in a different way for every painting I make now, that's the new rule.
So here I'm painting way more opaquely than I normally would.
Also, the drawing is different to how I normally would draw, it was quickly gestured, but more deliberately drawn for contour.
lol what a coincidence I did hands too
very nice studies mate!!!!here i played some more with the enviro but ok its not important.
This worked needed more work in overal and as a speed one it would need some accurate value placements etc.If you turned your work in greyscale you would see that the tones are very close enough and on a scene with so much contrast needed(open air landscape and such) the contrast was not there.Other than that you had to put more "paint" and not simply low opacity or/and smoothed brushtrokes.You have to quickly define shapes,quickly place the important values and give mood by coloring or doing these directly.
You dont have to worry because its not bad.i am just giving you more things to have in mind for your next works.also try to see enviros and shape them down to simple shapes.i am not saying that very good but try to see the general view of things first and then step in focus details.That will help you to be more accurate , more stabilized, and more quick.
If you keep up studying all these will come, its not magic or other things, you just learn to see the world around you with a different eye.
keep up the good work!!!!
Andres - Yeah, we rock bro! Have fun and go kick those next studies like there's no tomorrow!
Kingkostas - Dude, seriously, your paintover is HARDCORE. This was a complete surprise, thank you very much.
Sure, I understand what you are saying and will think about where values should be placed, your paintover provides a very good idea of how to go about doing this. Seriously, so cool man, thank you. Keep well and I will come visiting you soon.
Okay guys, here are tonight's life drawings, not much, but I'm trying to improve my faces in general, and also female ones in particular. You guys are the judges though. Thank you very much everyone and good luck with your drawings and studies. =)
hey, you're burning with uranium !!!
glad too see you're working hard , your manniquin figure are improving
for the cylinder and cube, i think you should make them with cardboard or more solid material. the clay won't make clean edge or perfect circle. Invest some time and money in them , they are worth it !
and as a reminder, check and recheck your measurements !
keep your nice work
nice mate, i really like the middle figure
here something, but ok what you need to do is just keep measuring and improving your guides
keep it up!!!
Zou - Waaaaa, thank you! =) Planning to do some more of those figures soon, they're on the hit list. Okay, I will look around for some better materials to make the basic shapes again, clay does come out a bit wonky for me. And sure, measuring is something I need to look into a lot more, I need to think more on it.. a whole lot more! Have fun, I'll be a visiting soon! =)
Kingkostas - Hey bro! Thank you for that, yip, I still notice distortion there, the guide and measurement needs some more thought. Thank you bro, I will be around soon to share out the fun! Keep well for now. =)
Here you go guys, my studies for tonight, bunch of heads in rotation, some hip hop chick from ref (Christopher Hart's Anatomy in case you're wondering), and then some rough-ish anatomy studies of the upper arm (from Drawing School).
Planning on doing more faces though, many, many more, to practice the measurements and guides you guys have been saying to me.
Okay cool, go have fun guys, burn da pages, bust those pencils!
Heya man, stuff is looking pretty good, your working real hard.
I think, looking at your work, probably the biggest area i think you need to look into is the idea of measurement and proportions. You can do quite a few things well, but often it seems its being let down by some odd proportions. Whenever your doing any drawing (im assuming a lot of it is from Reference) really get into the habit of measuring out your drawing so you know things are going the right sizes.
Like with these latest arm muscle studies. You need to spend time looking at how long each part of the arm is. First going from wrist to elbow - and elbow to shoulder. Make sure your getting the right measurements that match the picture/life your working from. Then you start introducing measurements of widths and smaller lengths (like lengths of individual muscles).
Even if you have to, size up EVERYTHING with a pencil or a ruler, going from all angles, making sure its all in proportion to each other (based on your reference). You need to spend time doing some pieces of work where your just spending 90% of your time doing the measurements, It will help teach your eyes to make the same measurements over time.
Sorry for the big crit, but I think its an area that will help you improve lots. You need to train your eye to be able to see all the correct proportions, by in the mean time, using an actual measuring device - judging lengths on your pencil is normally pretty good.
Sorry if its been said before but its a very important part and you could make big jumps if you improve upon.
Hope you understand where im coming from
Keep up the good work though! just dont stop!!
:: PHATandy ::
Sounds almost exactly what I was saying to him a few days ago. One odd thing though, is it actually ok to measure from wrist up? I've always measured the arm from the shoulder and down in relation to other body landmarks which has proved to be rather effective.
:: Ed ::
Keep at it! I can already see your head drawing has improved tenfold. Also the note about the eyes being too high: they seem just about right unless my tired brains are seeing things.
Keep going at it!! I've been applying those painting methods to what I already knew. I used to go with big color variations without considering the effects of saturation and value. Slowly, gently, over many, many layers of paint.
Don't spend so much time trying to get all the muscles accurate. Try to understand why they are there and block in the general forms. There's no way you'll understand the muscles if you just keep on doing the complicated parts first.
I can't do it like that anyway. I take babysteps.
Sorry for the long response, just thought it might help you guys out. Im by no means a master of this. But i understand some of the ideas behind it (putting it into practice well is a little harder )
Thank you for the great critique Andy, yip, you're completely right, I barely measure a single thing in those studies, it was all just eyeballed the whole way through.
I have a brave idea of how to measure, maybe not using a pencil for the reference pieces though, rather just comparing elements in the image with each other would be good. I can't promise changes overnight though, it will take some doing to improve upon these things.
Ron - Thank you, I'm happy that you can see some improvement, you showed me a few things which really helped me, so thank you very much, hopefully we can teach one another some more things.
Loathsome - Yip, I think you are in right in some respects, I've been looking at similar studies of muscles, and it's important to get the shape and positioning of them right. But.. I too am also interested in the function, it would actually be nice to do some drawings in motion to show the range of movement. I honestly don't know how to go about doing this but it's something to think about. But yeah, rendering isn't maybe as important.
Here are my drawings for tonight, a self portrait using a mirror, not sure what happened with the ears, but I know I wasn't looking carefully enough that's for sure. Then a selection of 30 second drawings..
Okay guys, hope your drawings are going AWWWSEOME, keep it FUN, ALWAYS!
Thank you very much. =)
hey really like the massive amount of gestures you did those always help with drawing the figure i agree with several of the above posts as far as measuring the best way to get a really good drawing is to start out by mapping out points or blocking in major shapes very carefully and exactly cause if there is a flaw in the underlying structure no matter how much you try to cover it up the drawing will always look a little 'off'
i also see you used pen on the gestures nice job i think using ink is a great way to learn to draw because it forces you to be more carfull with your mark making
Wow, insane amount of posemaniacs here dude! Keep going like that!
Also good studies on the muscles but like it has been said before, focus on getting the proportions right! I'd leave out the rendering as well, it doesn't really add anything to the drawing because it's a simple study anyway.