this sounds really great. Unfortunately I only graduate high school in 2010 T_T So unless I can join this program in 2011 there is no way for me D:
100% Up front to get the huge discount
The three payment option for the large discount
The four payment option for the medium discount
The program monthly payment option with 0% interest (15, 22, 30 months depending on transfer, if any)
Financial Aid option 1 (minimum up front and 0% interest)
Financial Aid option 2 (no up front and low interest)
Full Ride Scholarship Only (I have no way of getting funds for school and have a KILLER portfolio)
Other Scholarships would be helpful (My portfolio is awesome and have severe financial need)
this sounds really great. Unfortunately I only graduate high school in 2010 T_T So unless I can join this program in 2011 there is no way for me D:
This sounds incredible. I still have two more years of High School to go since I just started my Sophomore year, so that's a great deal of time for me to start saving and planning - I'm sure the program will still be there, then!
The thing is though, the plane tickets to the US would be really unaffordable D:
And the RL experience should be part of the package even for us poor international students...
The program is finely tuned and is built to do exactly what we need to do...and that is to provide a full education at a fraction of the cost of what people are paying at the big art schools where they get only a bit of the education they really need.
Regarding the Atelier, we will share more info soon. There are going to be some changes there and it is all improvement and for the better.
Regarding accreditation, that is being explored and is a goal for the future. We are not willing to compromise the program though so we are still doing our research. The program will launch before this is done.
Regarding military aid, if there is a way we can do this, great. We will look into it. I come from a military family so yeah...I hear you. Entirely. it will take time, and more research. I am not sure if we will have this for a year, or two or three even. I will put time into solving it though and will do what we can.
No one will graduate with the certificate without having a portfolio to back it up. That is the whole point. When the professionals names are on the line the students have to have the portfolios to be successful. I think the atelier students work is proof that we can deliver quality education and the workshops alone have changed lives for the better, including my own from the intensive learning.
The real world portion has a variety of options to make this work extremely well. I will have more info with the official announcement. The professional connections here are deeper than all other art schools combined. If it was not designed to work as well as it is, I would not be interested in doing it.
We run smart businesses and have for years. To make it clear, we have some of the best minds in the business world consulting on this. All perspectives are heard. We are doing this right. There is no other purpose otherwise.
Curriculum and other info will come with the announcement soon...as will the instructor list. For now, I can say that this program will have the support of Massive Black as well as a big number of artists who have names you will instantly recognize. Award winning faculty..of the best in the world.
Scholarships will be both on merit and need, though if an artist has both and is of equal merit to the guy next to him who does not have need, then the choice is clear on who deserves the scholarship the most.
The program will have entry requirements yes...a portfolio. I am going to make a forum to begin uploading your portfolios for this shortly.
Some of what has been discussed previously is to gauge the views of the community. I really appreciate the feedback as we want to hear the students as that was something I did not like about going to private art school..my voice meant nothing.
On that note, I must continue my work. Is 4am already. Feel free to ask questions. If I do not answer them, please know that they will be addressed in the official announcement.
This is an excellent opportunity for rising artists, anyone would be crazy not to do everything they could to attend. Working with some of the best artists in the business is a dream come true. Unfortuantely your plans are designed for quick repayment and do not factor in many geographic and demographic areas. Does this mean you anticipate employment for the student soon after the program comes to a conclusion? Still, bravo for your concern for future artists and taking the initiative.
Last edited by Razorleaf; October 25th, 2009 at 02:20 PM.
"Creativity emerges only when the imagination is given the freedom it deserves."
Appreciate the in-depth response to everyone Jason. Like I said, I'll be out in a couple years and the new GI bill will cover up to $80k so I'm not in any danger of not having the money. But I have to decide whether to pursue art wholeheartedly or continue it as a very passionate hobby while trying to get my architecture degree. I know the skills I'd learn at The Art Department school and what I've learned here from CA will help me immensely, so I'm aboard fully.
As with everything else, any additional help needed just drop a line. Thanks and can't wait for the announcement for portfolios.
PS - Will there be a sample portfolio that we should follow? Like a lowest quality/skill level? Also I think linking to websites/blogs/etc would be better for CA to cut down on server strain.
If i could i would love to attend and the prices look pay-able for me if monthly basis. Only problem would be travelling visa, and plane tickets for the workshops and a place to stay there during IRL workshops (if i understood correct). Since we have an ocean between us <.<;
i support it, and i'm so happy to hear more about this. can't wait to hear more details.
I cannot justify leaving an unaccredited atelier school that provides 50+ hours of on site instruction per week, for an unaccredited online school at 3 times as much tuition. I had thought that tuition would be cheaper than the CA Atelier due to everything being online, not more expensive.
This sounds like a great option for people in other countries who do not have access to the many scattered classical realist atelier schools in the US, or for those who are caught up in the flawed university system. For those of us who do have access and knowledge of ateliers, what besides industry promotion upon graduation, can justify the greater tuition when weighing the obvious downside of being online?
Last edited by Derek the Usurper; October 25th, 2009 at 09:15 AM.
It is great what CA is doing for the artistic world - I don't think you can overstate the importance of this site and Massive black.
Sadly, this education is not an option for me; it's still too expensive, even more so considering it's online - I can see why such prices are necessary; I just don't have the means. Education in Denmark is paid through taxes (so university education is "free") - education is not aimed at self-payment, which is why only very well-to-do families have savings for something like this.
That said, is there any possibility, Jason, that The Art Department will offer courses separate from the full program?
I'm thinking courses of 2-6 months duration, either covering specific topics or some kind of "mini education" (which would cover several topics, perhaps like a tweaked first semester of the full program?). This would be a more realistic solution for me - and while it's not a substitute for a real art program, I think it's my only option for receiving teaching.
It has been mentioned that the program will start Summer of 2010. I will be graduating with a BFA in Animation come Spring of 2011. If I manage to find funding by then I would definitely look into entering this program. It sounds amazing!
I would definitely be interested to hear how it would be accredited and how to apply for the full and partial scholarships.
Right now I have sub/unsub loans, combined with 3rd party loan companies just to pay for my education here at SCAD. The prices compared to what I'm paying at SCAD are definitely a lot more reasonable. But I wouldn't be able to stop right now when I'm so close to graduating as it is. That is why I am considering the option of attending after graduation and would like all the information possible on financial aid and scholarships.
Thank you so much for setting up this program for all of us.
i do also need to know if the real world portion is mandatory because as much as it's a good opportunity, to travel to texas from nova scotia canada is extremely expensive and something that definitely has to be factored into the cost of my tuition expenses when considering this school.
it could potentially almost double my tuition if it's 3 weeks 3 times a year.
airfare alone from here to texas runs in the 700-800$CAD range (return...taxes in)
not to mention living expenses which i will have to be paying on top of my current living expenses here at home.
it's just not feasible for me to do that sort of traveling with little to no income.
I'm in a similar boat with cAstAwAyLOVER. My bill for SCAD (with scholarships) is almost half of the cost of this whole program for just one quarter (3 classes)....and I've learned more fundamentals from watching the CA.org downloads then from some of the classes here.
Would it be reasonable to expect to be able to continue school/work while taking these courses?
Personally, I don't think I or my supporting family has the money to finish my last 5 quarters at SCAD. There are also a number of interested people who have jobs and family to take into consideration which would take even more potential time away from focusing as much on these courses. A part of the question would also be how flexible the courses are for those who are not focusing on it full time. I.e. I can't make the timeframe for x course because...[insert full-time job related excuse here]...
Last edited by Valerie C; October 25th, 2009 at 02:05 PM. Reason: fixed the math for the comparison between schools.
Jason, your awesome. After I finish my foundations with Jon I'm submitting my portfolio for sure. In the words of a great actor, "We're here to f**k s**t up." Lol.
Well, I know I would fit in with the need, but I need to work on getting a better portfolio then, so my merit is higher!
Thank you for the info- whatever little info there is is good
This sounds wonderful. My question is, is it also available to Grad students and not just transfers?
I will be graduating this December with my BFA in Illustration, and although I didn't plan on attending a graduate program to get a Master's degree, I would consider it for this program. The art program I am graduating from is deplorable for concept art/Sci-Fi/Fantasy illustration, but it was all I could afford. I have had to struggle to keep doing what I love in the program, which shouldn't happen. I have been told to my face that it is adolescent and immature, simply because the fan base of Fantasy and Sci-fi work are kids and teenagers. When I bring a piece in for critique, I am told what needs fixing, but no one can instruct me how to fix it in the digital medium. Aside from traditional mediums, I have been teaching myself, but paying them. After I graduate I expect 2 more years of self teaching in order to get where I should have been upon graduation.
Even if I don't complete a Master's degree in this proposed program, I know I would learn considerable amounts, and that would be worth it.
personally I'm in real hard times and these prices are like asking me to be homeless.
First first of all, thank you VERY VERY much for the detailed and well-explained posts!
I had my BFA in Graphic Arts/Printing & Printmaking back in 2007 (You know, lithography, woodcuts, engraving...etc), and since then I started working on a 5-year plan to prepare for application to a 2-years study at the Massive Black real-world school.
Well, unfortunately, the "financial crisis" has left its marks here, and now I'm rendered jobless for the first time in 9 years! I lost my job as an Art director due to "restructuring the infrastructure" of our holding company, where they simply closed 2 newspapers and shut down the graphic dept.!!!!
Anyway, my plans are now delayed for a few more years, I need a couple of years to "financially" recover, so the best policy for me would be either the monthly payment option or the financial aid No.2, that way I can keep working as a freelancer, managing to get my payments done one small amount at a time...
Well... I just hope my vote is being helpful
** looking towards being one among the MB team someday in the future **
see you in a few years
This really sounds fantastic. But one of the things I found very good when I went to my school with it's relatively small material fee, is that they EXPLAIN where that material fee is going.
If there could be a list of what our money is going into (besides the explanation "it's cheaper than other schools and is a lifetime investment blah blah blah) that would be fantastic.
As far as portfolios go --- When would the deadline be for any possible scholarship consideration?
I also second the question on whether it's expected we work/etc (full time / part time) while taking these classes. Or, is it set up for full-time students with either no job or just a part time job?
Last edited by ckmoore; October 25th, 2009 at 01:34 PM.
Whoa the huge upfront discount makes it affordable for me.
But the price is still very high, so I'll probably have to pass the opportunity.
Great job though Jason, it's a bargain in the US that's for sure!
Last edited by Vatsel; October 25th, 2009 at 02:15 PM.
I'm curious--is this program situated in LAAFA? Is it going to be a permanently available program or limited time offer?
Thanks a lot by doing this!!
I have two questions: If I´m not an U.S. citizen Can I apply for financial aid? And my second question is: since when can we submmit our portfolios? Oh another question hehe: Is there a special date when concept art will post all the necesary info?
Thanks a lot!!!! I hope you can answer to me
Will the concept art program have a sculpture section? Or will it only cover 2d art?
This is truly amazing and many people are really lucky to have this opportunity available to them. I, unfortunately, was born earlier and am already saddled with debt from Undergrad and Grad school, haha!
Will you still be offering streaming classes and downloads for everybody? Those are things I can sometimes manage to afford.
"Contrary to the belief of the layman, the essential of art is not to imitate nature, but under the guise of imitation to stir up excitement with pure plastic elements: measurements, directions, ornaments, lights, values, colors, substances, divided and organized according to the injunctions of natural laws. While so occupied, the artist never ceases to be subservient to nature, but instead of imitating the incidents in a paltry way, he imitates the laws."-Andre Lhote
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I find it perplexing that certain students have issues with pricing when there will be ample opportunity for scholarships. I am anticipating that The Art Department is going to give a million dollars in scholarships over the first four graduation years.
If you aren't happy with the price, and are not willing to fight for a scholarship, you can stay where you are and chase your dreams the way you do. We have cut to tuition to a third of what it costs for other programs with maybe thirty percent of the educational information, five percent of the access to professionals, companies, studios, galleries, and art directors (if they even have that much). None of the others have the ability to make star students into actual stars. This program can do that for those who have the ability and work ethic to get there.
Whit Brachna and Mike Bierek are great examples of that. Whit was working on Doom 4, working directly with Lorne Lanning on his projects, and contributing to a dozen other other globally recognized titles by the time he was 20 after just a year with the MB team at the atelier. Mike and Whit are not the only ones who have had their lives changed for the better from what CA and MB have been doing. Not all students have what it takes to be the best. All have the potential. The question is whether they are willing to do whatever it takes to learn, grow, improve, and excel like Mike and Whit have...or many others from the atelier and the workshops found. Hard work and dedication go far beyond talent alone and those who want to take advantage of what we are offering with the new program will have the tools, the information, and the mentors to make it happen.
This is not the kind of program where you take a class and get an A and magically know the secrets to art and knowledge. This program will take effort, dedication, and a willingness to be the best. Do you want to be great at what you do? Are you willing to make it happen if you have the right support? We are going to serve that up on a plate. What you do with it is up to you.
Before anyone goes judging what we are doing online, just hang in there and you will get the full details when we announce officially. This will happen very soon...so just be patient please and then you can make your mind up once you have all the juicy details. I'm excited as I have ever been about this. If I did not believe that it would work, and work far better than any other art program out there, I would not be participating in this effort. I believe the art school system is broken and a sham. I believe we can solve it, and make art affordable to students again. The private art schools have held the language of art hostage for far too long. To me, this has had a negative impact on Art History. It has slowed the ability for artists, many of whom are poor, to learn and have an impact on the world of art. We are working to solve this. Once you all see what is being done, officially, you can make up your own mind on our intentions and abilities. The faculty list and curriculum, and supporting programs will speak for itself.
More info to come...
Last edited by Jason Manley; October 25th, 2009 at 04:52 PM.
This is EXACTLY what I want, and is exactly why I need to get out of the school I'm at now. I really hope I can find a way to attend this program. I can't wait for more information!This is not the kind of program where you take a class and get an A and magically know the secrets to art and knowledge. This program will take effort, dedication, and a willingness to be the best. Do you want to be great at what you do?