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ahh, but your first sentence is exactly my point.
I was just saying that you can't really say anything is 100% true, when it comes to the Bible, so following it litteraly is impossible, even if you wanted to. In the end it is up to yourself to say what is true or not true, and how you think you can be a good christian.
Religion is flawed because man is irrevocably flawed. It's up to everyone of us to make sense of everything in our own way...there's no point in pointing the finger. We as artists have been given the greatest gift of all in my opinion. Whether it as given to us by divine providence or through evolution or by sacrificing tiny marsupials in our attics doesn't matter.
As for me since I live above the edict of man: SUCK IT BITCHES JESUS RULZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
Oh alesoun: God is whatever you need him to be.
Last edited by Brashen; June 12th, 2009 at 11:47 PM.
I'm really not in any way a fan of religion, at all, but fuck it, at the end of the day all that I can see that matters is that this guy can produce, and what he's producing is a lot better than what most of the people bitching about his creative process on the internet can do.
I'm more concerned with the art he's doing than how he spends his weekends. And the art is nice.
Oh ok, now I understand why so many soldiers and poor children in the middle east are getting their arms and legs blown off..."god" is off talking and revealing stuff to this guy to help him paint. Out of so much in the cosmos that god could reveal...he settles on an image that this guy could most likely paint anyway.
He has nice technique and his images are nice to look at. The King Kong image is really nice. I don't care what religion he is or what he does to create his images.
Because you couldn't have met every Christian on this planet so your statement in it's essence is defunct. Now if you met everyone on this planet and then took a survey on whom was more condescending and found out that Christians were more likely to be condescending then your statement may have had some sort of merit instead of coming of like some anti-christian jackass.
Last edited by Brashen; June 13th, 2009 at 10:02 AM.
I haven't commented on every Christian. I commented on the Christian belief and I commented on those Christians who've condescended me for not sharing that belief. I'm not sure you're understanding my original comment.
Last edited by Bill; June 13th, 2009 at 10:23 AM.
When you comment on the christian belief your comment directly includes all believers as well regardless of domination or what part of the dogma they follow. Also no matter what other 'Christians' may have done to you there is no need to be insensitive towards the whole faith....that's irrational...To give a better example: A cop may have beaten you to submission once because of your ethnicity...does that mean all cops are like that one cop?
Everyone who doesn't vote against racial profiling is than equally guilty as the cop who hit the other person based on skin tone.
Same with religion, you can chose whatever religion you like, but once you disagree with the actions taken as a group, you either leave the group or condone the behavior.
So every christian in this case is equally guilty for not condoning gay marriage, blocking stem cell research and if you want to go back in time, the crusades.
But they have changed that part since then.
Unless of course Bush was right with his mention of a crusade.
Brashen, to say I've been been condescended by some plumbers is not a comment that all plumbers are condescending, it's a comment about my personal experience and the plumbers that I've personally met.
Yes, it ocurred to me that to call the belief irrational is a comment on Christians. The comment is that Christians believe in something irrational. They do.
Hyskoa (shouldn't it be Hysoka?) Before jumping on the anti-christian bandwagon why not ask yourself instead whats wrong in standing up for something you believe in. A lot of people apart from Christians have very strong anti-gay beliefs... is it not then safe to assume that not all Christians believe that gays shouldn't have rights?
The problem with all your replies is that you've tossed out a person's individuality...you've made every person that has lived is living and is yet to live a robot and that being part of a sect, religion, or collective instantly deprives you of personal beliefs or thinking.
Doesn't mean they're right.A lot of people apart from Christians have very strong anti-gay beliefs...It's safe to assume the religion propagates the fight against this marriage. So to be part of that sect means you condone the behavior, even if you are of another opinion.is it not then safe to assume that not all Christians believe that gays shouldn't have rights?
If christianity was small enough as a group then nobody would ever give a shit what you people assume. It's because you're such a large group of.. something, that you influence laws and make sure other people suffer your shite.
If the church would abandon the gay marriage, stem cell, condom use, ... themes and stayed out of politics, then they wouldn't have as much backlash from normal, rational people who just want to lead their life without being disallowed by a group of people who talk to their imaginary friend.
Anyway, that's my last reply in this thread. As it's pointless.
I blame tsnipes, if these works were posted without the religious wank, everyone would have judged the work for it's own merit.
Last edited by Hyskoa; June 13th, 2009 at 11:45 AM.
I'm sorry but all your arguments are based on irrational thinking and unproductive backlashes.
To say that laws are not being influenced is irrational....man makes the laws and man is influenced by an infinite amount of secular emotions and 'irrational thinking' regardless of religion.
Doesn't mean they are wrong either, because if we truly knew what was wrong and what was right we wouldn't be having this argument in the first place.
So now we switched from the religion to the church...if you were actually reading my previous posts instead of thinking of ways to discriminate and belittle my faith you would have realized that anything man made or is affected by human feelings is inherently flawed. I will repeat again Christianity at it's basis teaches us to be good to one an another. You just wish to harm and discriminate against people whom you've never even met because they are a part and believe in something that you don't .....isn't that what you were fighting against? I apologize but nothing you say has any foundation. You say your fighting against bigotry yet you have no notion of the actual meaning of the word... you say you wish to fight oppression yet you seek to do to others what you wish not to be done to yourself.
And as for imaginary friends your just putting your foot in your mouth...please continue with your insults but I will not waste anymore of my time with you useless bantering.
A cop beating up somebody because of their ethnicity would be in violation of the manual by which his actions should follow. A Christian stoning a witch would not. Do you see the difference?
Or are you suggesting we praise your deviations from the very manual you yourself have chosen to subscribe to?
I predict the imminent closing of this thread, so why not go all out....I'm sure there are sentences and paragraphs in Mein Kampf that, on their own, make perfect sense. But the totality of -that- book is also an undeniable fact. If someone were to tell you not to pay any attention to "all that stuff about Jews and Communists", and instead focus on the "good parts", would you open your mind and let Hitler into your heart?
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