"The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has."
hey Aaron! Nice SB.
Yes, your lines have improved considerably since your first post!
just keep doing those studies ok?
I SWEAR ON THE GRAVES OF ALL THE TALENTED FILIPINO ARTISTS WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE ME, THE FILIPINO ART LEGACY WILL CONTINUE!
MY DAY JOB http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=136204
MY ANGRY SKETCHBOOKhttp://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...129015&page=13
Thanks bushido, angry flippino. I will.
I feel bad for not updating for so long, I still draw everyday, but scanning and resizing can take so long that I don't want to update.
I am following Gary's complete guide to facial expressions. That book is awesome, learned so much about the face. My portrait skills improved a lot, I spent 15 minutes to draw my friend from life and brought to a party, everyone recog[nized it. Yeah!
So[ there are some digis.....
Orange study done in LAB colorspace, this is so hard.
Lots of studies today. Feeling much more confident to use long lines now.
Turner Study which failed.
You might want to do some reading up on painting techniques, colour theory, values etc. It doesn't look like you're aware of hard, medium hard, medium soft and soft edges right now. I won't take the time to explain it now, because it's already been explained in many books like Creative Illustration and Eye of the Painter by Loomis. Also, pay more attention to values. It would help you a great deal now if you if you just did black and white paintings. It gets you thinking more about values which are much more important than colour. Colour always comes second to value.
If you aren't already, look at a lot of art, not just modern artists. I've learned a tonne just from looking at Sargents drawings. Every time I look at them I learn something new about rhythms, anatomy, light, pencil techniqe, quickly throwing in a hand or a face, etc. Not a bad idea to do studies of other master drawings either. You learn a lot that you would not learn working from life or photos. I've even copied quick 2-5 min drawings by Sargent. It helps me understand what makes his lines so apealing, how he quickly throws down ideas without rendering the shit out of them etc.
You also should get more in depth with your anatomy studies. Like, figure out where the teres major connects and where exactly your trapezius over laps sort of in depth.
You're on the right track though, keep it up.
you're definitely on the right track m8.
keep pushing those studies. i can see good progress
It does not matter if you can't or simply don't post everyday, but what does matter is that you are pushing you harder and harder. Keep doing those studies, they will pay off
Three things I like. You started this sketchbook on Feb 11th, and already have two pages - it's great to see you working hard! Second, yesterday's post shows some great lines in those gesture sketches - the women and child sketch has lines far and away better than what you've done before.
Third, I see a love of art that makes everything around you exciting. An orange, a banana, art you find online. Never lose your love of art! Now, on to some suggestions:
1. facial structure. If you want to have killer portraits, you need to know how to build up a realistic head. Here are a couple tutorials from one of the greatest artists I know, Nathan Fowkes. Study them in detail, and practice the technique at least 100 times between now and next month:
2. Don't pass over Loomis. He's an excellent writer, as well as artist, and you can learn a great deal from him.
3. Try sketching more people from life. It's more helpful than studying photos. That said, there are also tons of great photo ref's on the net, especially on deviantart.com. I'm a bit hesitant sending links to pics of naked people to a minor, but you know, get your parents' permission and such, and then start drawing.
4. If you haven't poured through these sketchbooks, you'll learn a ton about anatomy:
Michael Mentler: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72362
I admire your studies a LOT.
If you're able to see a pose in your mind, be sure to get it on paper fast!
You've worked a lot with SHAPES and the human body, and I think it's time you can move up.
Definitely work with muscles and their structure and function.
Something I just learned: when you are directing a pose, find the strongest motion in the picture and base everything from this motion. It helps to add drama and really capture the movement. Just be sure to work this into the whole body, and understand that every body part is relative to another! ALWAYS!
Okay, this sounds like a whole lot now, so I'll move out!
I'll be back, I think you'll make some excellent shots with all this study.
Keep having FUN,
"In Art, the hand cannot execute anything higher than the heart can imagine." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
The Mind Dungeon:
keep it comming
Bah what the fuck, just saw the shit that happened in the lounge, but instead of wasting my breath there I think it's better to come here... dude 16 is so fucking young, and ten months are more than long enough to get to the level schools in the US are looking for. If you really want it, you can do it. Especially seeing how your life depends on it now!
What you're doing looks good already! More color studies from life, maybe read that thread about edges in the tutorials section, and all that other stuff there! Get "Dynamic Figure Drawing" by Hogarth and study the hell out of that book and Alex Pascenko's and Marko Djurdjevic's work; for rendering analyze what DanielC and Wes are doing. Do tons of quick poses from photos from stock accounts on dA and from porn sites, get naked and shoot your own refs, get some cheap A3 printing paper and start drawing BIG to work on your proportions, draw your own hands and feet and everything from life, do selfportraits and observe from life as much as you can! And don't forget to draw a LOT from imagination as well to make all the knowledge stick with you. And if you haven't already, listen to Bobby Chiu's podcasts on Youtube.
And see to it that you get an appointment at the schools you want to get in, talk to the profs! That can really help a lot.
I'm so pissed about what happened in the lounge, but you can do it man, and if you need help with anything, let me know.
just another thing to keep in mind: doing tons of these studies is great, and necessary. But, keep in mind your application deadlines are approaching, and they want to see finished works. Try and plan ahead:
1. a solid self portrait.
2. Use a variety of media, possibly mixed media.
3. Dedicate one page of your sketchbook to listing ideas for artworks as they come to you. Make projects of them.
4. Work your absolute butt off! Don't worry about friends, just the portfolio. And remember, even if you don't get in this year, there's other schools out there, and there's also other ways to get a visa and stay in America. Talk to a lawyer - they usually give good free advice in situations like yours. I did this when getting my wife's fiance visa, back in Boston. If your mom's a citizen, then she can apply for you, and it shouldn't be a problem. If she's a permanent resident, she can apply for citizenship and then apply for yours as well. worst comes to worst, you go back to China, but you can still dedicate yoru life to art. Some of the best artists on this site live in China.
Hey man, just wanna say for 16 not bad at all! Your doing excellent by studying from the masters. Pay attention to the shapes they are doing, what areas they render and why. You will learn a lot from it if you apply it to your own art.
A lot of the schools will only give you a good start somewhere, but it won't give you everything you need. Also consider what degree you want.. I made the mistake of enrolling in a bachelor's of animation thinking I would be able to have a variety of skills, only to learn that i just wanted to paint all day long.. it's a horrible waste of money.
So if art and painting is what you want, then keep at it. If you need any more information aside from the one previously provided in prior posts, please feel free to pm me and I will try my best to answer any questions.
Good luck man, and don't let anyone stop you from your goals man.
6-8 hours a day of serious study and you'll be industry standard level within 2-3 years.
3- 4 hours a day of serious study and you'll get it in 5-6 years.
Just an estimate ofcourse, many things can alter these times, but that's how much time you'll probably need. So account for the time that is necessary.
Start with looking at kevin chen's work/hogarth/bridgman/loomis/goldfinger/Beverly Hale and try to get a bit of information from each of these anatomy teachers. At first you'll be lucky to understand even 10% of it, but if you don't rush it, you won't copy their styles and will be able to just apply their information on your own style. Put those books in a place you often visit and read them every time you're there, and put 1 where you make your studies or where you draw from the model, to help you understand what you are drawing.
Ask yourself what you like to do best currently, character design, vehicle design, environments,... Take some time and really think it over, and go at one subject at a time.
Later on you can combine each topic or specialize in one.
And what Madster said is mostly true, but talent doesn't exist.
Talent's definition is usually "something out of nothing."
And the world just doesn't work like that,
there's only work, hard work, harder work, teeth grinding hard work and insanity.
Some stop before they reach the last step, some savor it. Up to you really.
One of the things I can advise is that there will be a lot of advice and links. One thing is, the information can become overwhelming, whether it is shouts of negativity, or giving you a false ego by constant encouragement.
Negativity can be bad because you may want to give up. Negativity can be good because you may want to challenge it and prove it wrong.
Encouragement can be good because there's someone there for you, but it can be bad because it gives you a false sense of security and ego.
You're going to have to find your own path in this. I can only advise is that use the internet as a tool, but also find someone with similar goals and a like mind offline. It will be somewhat hard at first, but finding that peer offline can be a very good benefit to you and your goal.
I remember your post asking how to get into the schools, and while I may not comment on your sketchbook all the time, don't be too shy to ask me about things from time to time. Do understand I am one of many voices, and different experiences. Just as even your idols and artists you admire may also have different experiences. Just weigh them in and find your own path.
If you receive input, don't just look at it in terms of good and bad, but look for the why, someone said it. I'm sure you'll be fine.
Maybe one of the best crits you can give or receive is the following:
Before drawing a line, think about it. Think about where it begins, where it ends, how its weight greatly conveys how it looks, the way it bends and if it has any proportional links you can find.
Think about the line before you put it down on paper. This sounds like a lot of thinking, but it really happens in 1 second once you've done it enough - it becomes automatic.
Draw the line in its entirety once, and if it isn't right, well, it's a lot easier to erase 1 line than a bunch of little ones and scribbles!
Just keep drawing and be aware of what you're drawing and the parts that comprise the whole!
What the fuck..... I was so DEPRESSED because the replies to my sketchbook is so few(I am constantly depressed anyway), and today, oops, what the hell, all the people I admired suddenly gave tons of invaluable advice.....Oops, cry...... oops.....This is too great to be true....Oops....stunned to tears.....oops.....definitely pay more attention to them tomorrow.....
can't do that now.......less than 18 hours of three in two days.......sleep deprived.......5 hours spent on David Briggsy's tutorial.....6 hours of volunteering for campaigning for city council........6 hours of drawing and painting everyday................essay for school............preparing for speech lessons.................going to church tomorrow...........artist's block............bad depression................I AM SO GODDAMN TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED TIRED.......damn it.............going CRAZY............CRAZY..........
color studies. struggling with skin tones.........shit............the girl study looks looks like a plastic toy
doodling after seeing some DSG on cgtalk
practice.......I can't do more......have to do more color theory.....fuck.....not enough time....
first piece ever from imagination.....the color sucks......one of the things I constantly worry to death about - starvation.......I fear I would starve.......... don't know why........my family is not poor.......but my art sucks........I have no talent at all............I fear I wouldn't get a job........disappointing my father and mother...................getting starved on a train station.............everyone's so cold.................damn it...................all this is just bullshit..........I don't think I would starve............and my parents will love me even if I suck...............but I can't stop worrying.............Oh God............Oh....oops......oops.......I don't want to starve in a train station.........oops.............This is all BULLSHIT I know, never mind it.................
Last edited by Aaron Death; March 15th, 2009 at 03:39 AM.
I studied English for 1 year and a half, and everyone thought I am from America.
I studied Japanese for half a year(half an hour to one hour per day), and I speak pretty fluently with Japanese exchange students.
I studied French for 60 days or so(half an hour per day), and managed to pull an awkward conversation with some French travelers.
HA HA HA HA, can't help boasting............Languages are so easy for me.........I am the living proof that whoever says talents don't count is wrong.......HA HA HA HA HA HA............still doubting whether to choose Language or Art.............HA HA HA HA~
I hate to make three posts in a row, but since they're about different things, and this one is IMPORTANT......
PEOPLE....PLEASE SAY THIS HONESTLY
I want to make a portfolio and apply for Ringling THIS YEAR. According my research, it takes 100,000 dollars including rent and everything. My parents will finance me.
IS it Possible?
What is the chance?
I just read the thread I posted in the lounge(I thought it was forgotten), and someone told me I can do it now. Is it true?
I still have to do my research on admission dates. But if I work 12 hours a day, will I be able to get a scholarship?
You won't know until you try.
Us saying you'll make it won't magically give you more hours per day to practice in.
Do what you can with the time you have left, if you get in, work your ass off.
If you don't get in, get a job for a year and keep upgrading your portfolio in china and try again next year.
Unless you plan on dying after the 4 years in ringling or wherever, it won't matter much if you start this year or the next.
All that matters is how awesome your art becomes 5 years from now and if you can get a job with it. College or no college.
Ps: Do realize that you're in a better situation than most of us. We don't even have the 100k necessary and either have to work 3 years to get in or take out a
massive loan. So just work and keep working your ass off. That's all that will ever matter.
Also... the.... typing... with... dots.... is....annoying..... if.... overused.....
Last edited by Hyskoa; March 15th, 2009 at 05:39 AM.
Well.. chance ? I'd say there IS ONE. If you work 12 hours a day and focus on the RIGHT THINGS.. then sure there is a chance.. You can get really far in that time... If you have the money then great.. just get to work. Post all your work here and we can get you detailed feedback.. This thread is bookmarked and will probably be my favorite visit if you keep updating it. Right now, i'd say you should focus on your lines, and faces.. Please skip the digital medium for a while, based on your face up there, you're already good enough with it to base an observation of off it. Your pencils needs to be sharpened though. If you have the dynamic figure book by hogarth.. thats a great place to start.
It helps a lot to save all your favorite art to a folder.. or seperate folders based on artist or style etc.. its good both for learning what looks good. and also basic things like good composition etc.. the more you look the more confident you can be that something do look good. save everything to such folder that you really like.. photos too.
As I said.. really skip digital for now and pick up the pencil.. When you know form you'll know form.. Your reference painting suggests that you know a little about form while those digital scribbles just ignores it.
A good thing is to take the stuff you have around you, on your desk, and draw them... focus on different stuff.. materials.. perspective etc. Its really fun and a great exercise. Don't stop until' you feel the drawing looks exactly like the object. I'm not saying it needs to be photorealistic.. but its easy to get lazy.. so don't stop you'll know when you're done if you hang in there
Another GREAT thing to do to improve observational skills is to draw selfportraits... those bastards never look right.. haha.. thats why they are great to do.. you always improve from them. ALWAYS.
Just draw man... but make sure you have a good ratio with observational drawings vs imagination drawings.. like 3/1... You'll find your imaginative drawings so much better if you spend the major part drawing from life and photos...
best advice i can get you is to always research, analyze and spend more time observing than you spend on the actual drawing.. It will save you a lot of time in the end.. and you will most likely get a lot more out of each thing you do.. Don't be afraid of putting the pencil down though.. just know what you do.. and If you don't.. experiment and think for a bit.. untill you do
I guess some people have already offered help.. but yeahhhhh.. if you want any more help.. I'm basically available 24/7.... feel free to add my msn or send me a pm
No specific critique for now really, except for the wacom/digital thingy.. I just woke up, and you already got tons of great advice.. so get working its all up to you
Aaron, for one second listen to me and imagine this. Imagine if you had $100,000, and you didn't spend it on schooling. Imagine all that money in your bank account, just sitting there. Do you know what you could do with that? Do you have any idea?
With rent around $500 in most places in America, that's enough money to live on for at least two years - about 8 years if you don't spend alot. Imagine what you could learn if you just studied on your own for eight years! It's enough for a great new car with $75,000 left over (expensive cars, however are also a waste of money, buy used!). It's enough to think about investing, say $30,000 in bonds, and still have $70,000 left over. It's enough to buy, forget about renting an apartment, or for a hefty downpayment on a house.
SAVE THE MONEY!!!! If you want to go to Ringling, visit the school, and ask about financial aid. Apply for it and any other scholarships you can think of. Ask your high school counselor now about scholarships available. If he/she discourages you, tell him to shut up and give you the names of the scholarships so you can find them yourself. There may be some based on being Chinese to look for. Be sure to apply to more than one art school, because you can never be certain to get your first choice. MassArt in Boston is a decent school, as is Rhode Island School of Design. Apply to at least four schools - making sure to apply for financial aid in each of these schools. Also, make sure you can apply to these schools without already having your visa, and learn how that works.
Without financial aid or scholarsihps, college isn't worth the money. I believe you said you wanted to go into animation/computer animation. At most, the computer programming required would cost around $7,000. A decent computer $1000. There are books you can buy on every computer program imaginable that cost around $50. It helps to get feedback from real artists, which is why you can find industry leaders and take workshops.
Larry Elmore offers a week-long course for all levels that's $1,200. Nathan Fowkes offers workshops. Scott Burdick offers workshops. Most ateliers offer courses at only around $150-$300 per month. Also, most colleges allow you to AUDIT their classes, which means you attend the courses at a fraction of the cost, without getting college credit - including computer animation. When you go to visit a school, always ask about their policy on AUDITING classes.
As for doing this, ask a lawyer if you can still get a student visa if you're only auditing. You're still enrolled in a school, just not for credit.
Having said all this, here are a couple more thoughts. For one thing, living in America isn't all it's cracked up to be. I think your best reason for living there is to be with your mom/family. Think longterm - America's health system sucks, and it's uncertain how it will be 4-8 years from now, let alone when you're old enough that your heath starts failing. I can't say from experience what China's like, but they do have excellent art schools at a fraction the cost.
You don't have to spend all your money to get an art education, and having that cash will help you reach your goal much more than an art degree. Art degrees just qualify you for teaching.
Finally, DON'T STRESS!!! You're young, you're healthy, and you've made an ambitious life decision. It can be very rewarding, and it'll leave a legacy people will remember. getting straight into college is not a priority. You're priorities are simply to learn and practice, and enjoy your life.
Last edited by TASmith; March 15th, 2009 at 06:18 AM.
Just to reinforce my argument, I just looked up how much Ringling costs per year. You're looking at about 40,500 for your first year alone. That's if you get into Palmer house, which is cheapest.
You may save some money if you rent a room in a house nearby, and get off the meal plan, but it won't make a huge difference, and they usually don't allow either of those ideas the first year. So, you're looking at a total bill of somewhere around $162,000 to go to Ringling, and that's if rates don't increase in that time, which they will. Average American tuitions increase 6% a year.
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At 16, all I knew was- I liked drawing and was pretty cool at it. I didnt get onto the right art courses - but I stuck to it. Thats all you have to do.
Colour studies - there are some great tutorials in the Tutorial Section of CA. Also, I'd suggest studying some master artists (degas, valezquez, Sargent, Lucien Freud (my fav) and artist on here: (off the top of my head, Chris Bennet, DavePalumbo, Tristen Elwell, DSIllustration, Jason Chan all the greats ) see how they tackle color - also, check out MindCandyMan's thread, 'Journey of An Absolute Rookie' - vry inspirational dude
- color works in opposites. If the light is warm, the shadow is cool and vice versa. So if the light is a warm yellow, the shadow will lean towards purples and blues:
- Caucasian skin tones have a variety of colors in them, ranging from reds 'n' pinks to greens, blues and purples. Black skin has deep blues, purples, and reds in it, which is rather fascinating.
- Avoid using black for shadow and white for highlights - these two tend to flatten an image and suck life out of 'em. A common problem amongst beginners, but one learn't and corrected over time
- keep a sketchbook and draw as much as you can from life - and with a pencil!!! The application/execution of a drawing, is just as important as learning the structure of a thing, so learn to use that pencil, make it your friend
Keep at it!!!!
guys I will reply to your awesome replies later guys. Anyway, I took pictures of my drawings these two or three weeks. These are only half of what I did, they are too many. I literally draw all the time.
So, anyway, I did a lot of pencil stuff, it's just that I hate to scan them all. God bless me that I found a batch image resizer called Fotosizer, it resizes all my images at once.
damn it, it's so hard so upload all these images. I HAVE 22 OF THEM. Damn. When I reach 11 images, they all disappeared so I have to do it all over again!
Left one is a portrait from life, 20 minutes, everybody at the party recognized him^_^`
Last edited by Aaron Death; March 15th, 2009 at 02:24 PM.
Every portrait here is from life, each takes 15 to 20 minutes~
Things to do list:
Study edges in paintings.
Copying Sargent drawings.
Understanding more advanced anatomy like, Teres major?
Reading through Nathan Fowkes' tutorial.
Copying Michael Mentler
doing pose from imagination
learn about mark making from masters
drawing figure with strongest motion in mind
Gary Faigin's complete guide to facial expressions
study Marko and Alex Pascenko
learn how to draw textures.
use big low opacity brushes to paint
look at where masters render and how
check out Kevin Chen, Goldfinger, Beverly Hale
think about lines before I draw them.
try more environment, character/vehicle design
Yeah, I only heard of the concept of edges. Thanks A LOT for bringing that up.
I am still only exploring ways of digi paintings now, gonna take various approaches. So, I will try black and white.
Yeah, I am copying Rembrandt now, Sargent is amazing too.
Teres major? What? Should check gray's anatomy more
Clodioz: I will do that.
TASmith: Of course I love Art. How can I live without art?
Great tutorials and threads, thanks a lot.
Great suggestion on different media, will do that.
Your advice on that last post is so good. I know I am young and never worked, and so I don't know how to appreciate money. I will look at different schools.
Great things on workshops and auditing, never knew I can do it.
From my experience, Chinese art schools suck so bad, especially now.
Ouch, thanks for calculating the price. It's prohibitive!
Dissociation:Thanks. Strongest motion, well, you're too right. Should focus on motion more.
algenpfleger:Thanks man. You're my role model for all these time.
yeah, Hogarth is awesome should learn more about it.
sometimes, photos from porn sites are a little distorted. Perhaps because of the close distance of the camera. Sports photos are great though.
Alex Pascenko and Marko is great, will study them.
Thanks, never thought I can have you reply to this thread. Now that you have, ,,
I WILL FUCK THE HELL OUT OF THIS SKETCHBOOK.
Icon: thanks so much. Please visit more. Your advice on studying masters is head-on.
What if I study 10 hours a day?
Kevin Chen, Goldfinger, Beverly Hale? I don't know them, gotta check them out.
sorry for typing with dots. Sleep deprived, you know?
Thanks for pointing out the direction. Helps to keep me sane.
Thunder Empress Arshes Nei(love that name):
yeah, you're right, I'm overwhelmed.
Your words are so wise. Gotta have them saved in a folder.
There are other artists I know, but they do it as a hobby, and all they can say to me is "man, that's awesome." I find it hard to learn from them.
yeah I should think about lines more, you're goddamn right.
Mark making, um, never thought about it. You're right, I plan to learn it from master drawings
You're head on about the textures, my weak spot.
Your art is so awesome, can't stop admiring you.
As you can see, actually I do plenty of pencil works.
Yeah, I do have such a folder. Goddamn useful.
nice points on the colors. Will apply them to my paintings.
really good post.. already shows some improvement, especially in proportion. What you want to do now, is spending 2-4 hours on a simple item.. just rendering it till it looks really realistic as I mentioned in my last post.. focus as much on form as you can.. try to 'feel' it in space.. Its really nice when you first start doing that.. and it usually takes some studies to get into it.. hehe. Anyways, I really hope you do the exercise.. 2-4 hours is little time, the longer you spend the better.. but yeah keep it up.. don't rush anything.. that TO-DO list is long.. take it slowly!
Work the 6-8 hours and do another 2-3 hours worth of thinking, assessing your work, finding new methods of dealing with visual problems, why you're not achieving certain effects and so on.
If you just produce like a machine 3 things will happen:
1) You're taking over the produce of others like a xerox machine, which will make you into a bad copy of them.
2) You'll eventually start to hate it.
3) You'll run out of energy pretty quickly, and will only be doing smaller and smaller amounts, trying to cut corners instead of working through on a problem.
Hence why you stick with the 6-8 hours, whichever you feel most comfortable with, not the one you feel like you can do in a day just to end up reducing the amount over time.
Try to start with 3 hours a day, and gradually build it up.
Eventually you'll be at 10 hours a day every day and will know EXACTLY how to fill that time in a usefull manner.