This start is much how I like my whiskey, neat and on the rocks I think your heart is in the right place here man, but push yourself to daily updates, and show us MORE stuff^^
great figure studies. but with so much in one post, I'd relly like a bit of explanation with every piece. some of these are obviously from a book. some could be life studies. it'd make critique a lot easier if we knew for sure which are which. oh, and a time frame and order in wich made
Hey, Quick crit. Seeing more potential and improvement.
Your skills in drawing need the most work.
Work on those edges on the planal breaks.
Those bridgeman sketches need more porportion - relationships. I suggest you use tracing paper to check, write down the mistakes, then try again the correct it, like John K. Or you chould try it again and again, Like Mr Delicious, just keep looking at insipiring sketchbooks for suggestions of practice.
Also forgot to mention Gottfried, Its in german but has some nice illustrations to study. >>> Download. http://www.scribd.com/doc/13280009/G...n-Den-Menschen
Like Fitzin said, edges and planes! This is something I struggle with too, so I know how much of a pain in the ass it can be. Looking at DanielC, Algenpfleger, or bumskee's work can help a lot with this.
More, more, more! =)
Hey dude - time for me to upload a sketchbook of my own and quit lurkin' on the forums as i have been for what - 4 years?
thanks for helping me set up the account!
Two Listen: Hello my friend, thanks for the tips, hopefully my heads have improved somewhat since my last post, but I'm still working on them all the time. Portraits portraits portraits! Yes, Mentler is a personal hero... I've printed out some of his stuff and posted it around my room for inspiration and reference, haha.
Sketcheth: Thanks so much for stopping by my sketchbook, it means a lot to me. I thought about what you said and I've really started to think in 3d... it's a much different experience than thinking in line, and so much better hahaha. Yea, I'll have to do some more Bridgman and really analyze what's going down. Thanks again.
Peter: Thank you for the tips, I've definitely taken them into account. I picked up a Hogarth book on head drawings and anatomy, and started to study from that as well as really analyzing portraits and facial structure. I'll try to make me proud
Mock: Thanks a ton Mock, that's a very nice ego booster comment there, haha. I'll keep doing studies, although this time I slacked off from the studies in order to work more on the whole figure.
Hexism: Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment .
Mischievious: Hahaha, I love how when you say that I take 2 months to update. BAD ME. Logistically, it is just impossible for me to photograph and upload everything I do daily... I don't have the time. But thanks for the comments, they're much appreciated.
Ashess: That's good advice, but looks like I did exactly the opposite of what you proposed... sorry. I just dump everything because of the long waits in between, but I really should update more often with less pieces... but that brings me back to the time issue. Thanks for the comment though ashess!
Fitzin:Thanks man, that's some good advice. I'll have to try doing some of those things with my studies. Thanks for stopping by!
Mock: Will do madam! Those guys are amazing, just looking at their work helped me. Thanks
TobbA:Thanks man, I'll try!
Dr Thunder: Hey man, thanks for dropping in. Everyone should check out this guy's SB, he's a friend from school and he absolutely blows me out of the water, he's a very talented guy, and only 14 years old.
Hey guys and gals.
It's been way too long, must update more often. Here's a smattering of various things from the last update up to earlier today.
The figure drawing is partly rendered by the way, it was my last class and I couldn't get the model back
The character designs of the gladiator dude, weird space shoulder pad dude, the punk guy and the spaceman dude are all from my head without ref (and it shows hahaha). I've been doing these guys because they have really really helped me understand plane changes, because I've had to work it all out of my head and really visualize so as to not make it look shit(which I unfortunately did haha), instead of just copying a study and only seeing line. Now that I've done a few, I'm going to focus more on life again, though, since I still have waaaaaaay more than enough to get out of life drawing.
The paintings are reffed from photos (not direct copies), except for the guitarist which is from life.
The drawings of clothed people are all from life, I've been sketching people around school.
Those pencilled faces are self portraits.
Ummm that pretty much covers it I think. Thanks for taking a look my friends.
Did this last week, SP
4 hour figure drawing from 2 months ago
Figures from photo ref, skull from life: 2 months ago
3 figures on left from photo ref, one on the right is from my head, 1.5 months ago
From life, last week
From life, last week
From life last week
Character concept, no ref, last week
Another concept, no ref, last week
Watercolor brush with calligraphy ink... playing around: two days ago
Yesterday, drawn from life with brush and ink
concept from my mind, today
concept from my mind, today
watercolor, 2 months ago, from photo ref
watercolor, 1.5 months ago, photo ref
watercolor, 2.5 months ago from life
pencilled SP, 2 months ago
SP 2 months
life 2.5 months ago
life and a bit of bridgman on the left, 2.5 months ago
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Goddamn, I enjoy what I see so far. Keep at it.
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i really dig your experimentation with media, always good to do. that and those life drawing from class. haha ;D
all i have to say is to keep drawing, thinks look like they're slowly clicking into place, good sign. :]
Yay! awesome; wb sebbon!
well, since so many drawings in one post is gonna keep being an issue with your trouble uploading, I'm gonna just pretend this is actually multiple post and crit a few at the time. that way I wont get lost and just post a few overall comments ^^.
I'll start with the last 4, since they are the oldest.
last 1: the bridgeman study: what catches my eyes is, you got the direction of the arm in the vertical plain (the one the back of his arm discribes), but the side plain, which should be on top, is tilted towards us. YOu've also flattened things that should stick out and just at us, like the elbow's bump.
I think the life drawing next to it suffers from a related issue; his foot is on a plain that will pass under us soon. but his ass is on a plain at a straight angle with us. both should rest on the same plain.
2nd from bottom: (2.5 month): again check the diretions, like the boy's foot and the girls arms (also in debth). oh and you're neglecting your hands ^^
3/4; the 2 portraits. I can see you do notice the issue of the debth problem here. you've positioned eyes/jaw so that they suggest a really close shot angle. in the last of these, you've tried using the side plain to show that same perspective.
from this angle we will see quite a bit of the top of the head too though; and you can use that plain to show us the same angle of debth.
making a fast scroll through the other pictures, I think this lies at the basis of most of what goes scewed right now; you've definitively improved, espec in the observation department. you still need to take a look at basic perspective to get these issues fixed though!
I was wondering when you'd be back to update. Had me worried there for a little bit. I too, took a bit of a "break" from updating, due to a 900 mile move across the country that had me out of comission for awhile, but it seems like we're both back at it now.
It's good to see you still working, I really enjoy the feeling of the left half of your last image. It feels a lot more confident than some of the other sketches.
Something you might try at some point, is working in a very sharp, dark pen.
I'm also feeling a bit of "round" in a lot of the drawings. Maybe try using some more...concave lines curves, be a little thinner with your people for a bit. Skeletons, maybe? It's difficult for me to pinpoint and for that I apologize, but I feel a bit of...thickness, that seems like it might be messing a bit with - as has been mentioned - your perspective.
Keep at it, I'll keep watching.
hey sebbon; I'm a little bummed out right now, 'cuase I wrote you this crit for the 2nd part of your post this morning. then the connection to the forum broke again, and my entire text was gone :/
anyway, short version: the 3 watercolors. I think the middle one is best b/c you didnt really use the paint as a fill-in the color plate here. paint isn't meant to be for filling in. it's a different medium all together. the guitar player suffers from this most, also b/c some of you outlines don't really follow the shape of the guy's body. like, in the hands.
the 2 concepts are looking good, but you might want to paint over some basic perspective squares to see where your perspective went scewed.
mah, anyway, hope you can read this stuff more often then you can post.. it'd be a shame if you read these critz after finishing the next batch.
After one page you've improved a lot. The life figure drawings have really helped. Seems like your getting more comfortable with charcoal and keep up the watercolor too. Remember perseverance is key.
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Character Design No Ref
Bridgman (I'm not going to name all the Bridgman ones because they're fairly obvious)
No Ref from head (shitty but I posted it anyway)
Char design no ref
Char design no ref
charcoal portrait from live model
first ever painting (besides those crappy watercolors) oils from life
Super shitty self portrait... I just did this in 15 minutes right before I posted to see for myself how I improved... I'll take my time and do a better one tomorrow, I don't think this is a good example.
And I also did my first digital painting, which is a copy of a John Singer Sargent self portrait. Spent around 5 hours on this one. Painting is fun!
Woot first digital self portrait... and well first digital painting from life. I really dig this digital painting stuff.
Not that great though... I have trouble picking realistic colors, so I end up with this kind of impressionistic feeling... any tips?
Last edited by cdejong; July 16th, 2009 at 07:59 PM.
Thanks Sublimus, I'll definitely keep up with those studies!
Ok I did some studies and a pencilled self portrait today, I'm too tired to upload those right now though, so here are two digital paintings I did today, the eye is from photo ref and the eyelashes suck, so I need help on that... and the onion is from life.
Thanks for looking.
I hope this sudden increase of posts recently means you're going to continue to update this often! You asked for advice on the self portrait and picking colors from life? It's all about training your eye to see what's really there. Do more digital still life studies. It's not about seeing skin tones, it's all seeing color. Just practice seeing color and translating it onto your canvas, be it digital or not.
In other words, keep doing what you're doing. Regularity certainly helps!
sebbon, really really great progress in that last batch post there!
Iparticulary like the 'shitty' chests you did, 'cause they show a lot of understanding of the shape/ debth of the barrel of the chest. it also looks like digital will grow on you fast.
draw th eyelashes out from the lid's line; that should help.
Krato: Thanks man, will do. I have other books, I just like Bridgman a lot haha.
Sketcheth: Actually yea, I'm planning on daily updates up to January at the least, since I will have a lot more time (summer and online school instead of normal school). Thanks for the tips... I'll keep on doing them, they're fun and I feel like I'm learning stuff every time I do one.
ashess: Thanks . Yes I'm trying to draw things with more form now that I figured out how to visualize it in my head, I still am having a lot of trouble with it though. Thanks for the tip on the eyelashes.
Sorry for the really bad pictures, the camera I normally used is missing (that's the problem with using a family camera) so I had to use my cell phone. I apologize, I'll reupload a couple of these drawings with the better camera when I find it tomorrow.
This is stuff from mostly today, and a couple odd drawings from last night and the day before. A lot of it is really bad... I'm taking a new approach to figure construction and it's making my work look pretty terrible, but I see glimpses of hope in it so I'm going to stick with it until things start looking good, and then I'm going to stick with it because things look good .
With Bridgman I realized that I wasn't memorizing the forms and muscles as best as I should, and so Bapsi recommended drawing that part of the body I just studied from imagination right afterwards. I decided to draw from photo reference right after, then from imagination. It feels much more ingrained in my head now, even though the results look shit. I will do this every day now.
Also I was an hour into an environment painting and then photoshop crashed. It's never done that for me so I wasn't expecting it, and all my work was gone. Too late to start another one now, I'll do one tomorrow.
Self Portrait... looks like I'm wearing a mask but it's just a badly drawn cast shadow from my hair
Photo Ref then Imagination
SP (really bad, didn't capture my likeness and I don't look like an emo haha)
60 s posemaniacs
No ref figures
Face above is from imagination, face below is from Vanderpoel
From head, charcoal... it's nice to change it up with charcoal sometimes.
60s posemaniacs with charcoal
And to top things off, a terrible self portrait painting in deep perspective. I couldn't find a good position for the mirror so I ended up putting it in my lap haha.
Ooh the ol' lap self portrait. Keep at it man, keep painting and observing. Right now yoru tones are looking a little bit flat, but you definitely improved on the value range from the previous one, so kudos for that. You're constantly improving, so don't stop.
And WOW have you been doing your studies. If you keep studying at that rate you'll be doing insaaaanely good stuff before long. I had a question for you, you mentioned online schooling! What school is this from?
That's awesome that you're shooting for that strict of a posting schedule, I should do the same.
wonderful to see your improvement over this thread. You're doing all the right studies, and it shows. Line work getting alot better! You're on the right way, keep it up.
Looking good. Keep at it Maybe put some more time into those self portraits. I think that will improve them a lot. Especially in digital you can just keep adjusting until everything looks about right
As far as color goes the only tip I can give you is to read up on color theory and such, and try to see how the colors you see respond to what you know about them. I'm struggling with that myself but I think it helps. Also I think 'impressionistic' is a good start for color study because after all impressionism is a lot about understanding color and light
tobbA:I think that's a good idea about the self portrait. I need to sit down and spend a 4-5 hours on one I think, so that I can really get things down. I'll try and find some info on color theory and learn what I can. Thanks for stopping by.
Hydrofoil: Thanks for dropping in, and for the encouragement!
Sketcheth:Thanks, on today's still life I really tried to pick out the right colors. Of course I failed, but at least it somewhat resembles what I was going after. Gotta keep on studying.
I'm trying to do a lot of studies, but I just checked on Algenpfleger's thread again and saw how many studies he does, and I reeeeally have to ramp it up if I want to improve at the rate he did and does. So tomorrow I will work even harder. I'm going to get up early from now on, no more sleeping in late. Up early, and at the studies. I want to improve really badly. It's a constant nagging at the back of my head about how bad I am, and I know I can get to the level I want if I work as hard as Algenpfleger, Miles, you (you do work hard you know, I read through your sketchbook and you used to post quite often with a lot of good studies and work, and you still do... and you've improved loads still and you're quite the inspiration for me... might as well say that while I'm typing this up).
The online school is basically just to get my high school diploma while I am living in France. I can do it all through the Internet and it leaves me with a lot of free time(which will be spent drawing). The website is here http://www.k12.com/int/, it explains it better than I can.
I know you work hard, you just don't always post it up. That's ok, sometimes posting your work can be a waste of time that would be better spent drawing. That's why I didn't update a lot during the school year.
Wow I wrote a long response to you hahaha.
So here's the daily crop.
Anatomy from head and posemaniacs
Bridgman and photo reference
Faces from photo reference
Mah man Hogarth
Mah man Bridgman
Charcoal no ref
Charcoal no ref
Charcoal posemanics... oops forgot to rotate this one... too lazy to fix it *sigh*
Still life of a beer. Can you guess which brand it is?