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June 12th, 2007 #1
CHOW #75 - VOTING - Guest Host: bumskee Topic:Demonic Pirate Lord
Demonic Pirate Lord
(for the new people)
NOT ALL ENTRIES ARE TAKEN TO THE POLL.
(the selection is based on technical quality criteria)
ENTRIES NOT POLLED WILL RECEIVE C&C
(i really try to do this every time)
IT IS A DIFFICULT PROCESS - MISTAKES CAN BE MADE
I am trying to set this as a professional demand. I act as the client...
Oblio is always looking for feedback - If Oblio is wrong - tell him so.
DON'T VOTE FOR YOURSELF
Originally Posted by bumskee
OBLIO - Once again - i could not include all the images here
I have to make another take on the quality. bumskee is too nice!
One more thing - while the host can bring up ANY reason to cut down pieces - just like a regular client - i will try to cut onle on a technical/presentation basis.
Here is my list of cuts.
graphujii - needs more work. too soaked in the background. soem shapes are messy.
nkunleashed - shaped and values - don;t use black to for shadows. stay away from that black airbrushing - it's too flat. saturation and color needs a LOT more atention. work values and shapes.
ceartivesmug - make it black and white - you will see that your volumes don;t read right. work those values.
yoitsi - wip
sony - proportions, values - not good.
magma - same as knumleashed - no black for shadow - baaad. no airbrush - wathc your edges. for the torso and the shadows over the body - it's good that you doidnt used black - yet - your shadow is the same color as the light just a lower value.
Try to use a different temperature and saturation for shadow. example- warm saturated ligh = cold unsaturated shadow.
dig the boartds - the is A LOT of color theory here. oh.. and LENS FLARE? never will a lens flare peice make it to the poll. sorry!
THIS IS NOT DEVIANART!!!!! ups..
timothy - almost didnt' make it for me - shapes are ok - cartoon style it holds - saturation and contrast needs more work - it bears the same saturation allover and it makes it look flat.
sellis - wip
enbe - this one is crazy - i'm not sure if you know what you're doing there - looking at the hat for example nad how flat that looks - i'd say you push things until they seem right - lacking some background. i would let it pass as it might get one stray vote. not a winner. needs more work.
jon grello - seems like you can boost more then that. god sketch - it;s doesnt get the job though .
crospufo - needs more work - volumes, cleaning etc. see above about balck and airbrush. that sketchy linework does not work in the render - too messy
fidayeve - almost not to make it - looks broken at the neck, hand holding the skull doesnt belong to the body - proportions perspective etc.
robojing - FLAT! Volumes are a mess - his hands can barely read - shoulder pads are flat too. perspective is wrong. time to be carefull on the next one.
mudgit - nice and clean - yet you cover too much - head and body don;t seem together.
kreator - left leg , right fist - in trouble - but it could have pass.
pixeldust - FORM and VALUES - do the big shapes - don;t cover with black.
monstertree - comment - techicaly it would pass - i agree with bumskee - he;s on the other side.
bear jr - make it B&W - you will see how your values are not right - it's flat in some areas.
skolld - linework needs more care, forms and values - see above about the blsck shadows and airbrush.
shidoken - needs way more work
daray - in the end it's a bit flat - light is inconsistent.
sady - see above- blak and airbrish - you're not as aggressive as the others - but still your piece needs more attentions and clarity.
gerezon - flat
original e - shapes, proportions, anatomy - try to make everything look really 3D only with the line work .
carnifex - brother - i fear not to include you in the poll. you wil say it's personal and it's not. while the face is acceptable - the rest is a mess - if you wouldnt have written i would not understand the guts thing and - see his legs- no volume. the monster arm - a mess. values- coat and pands- same valeu - just someextra lines on the pants. pull yourself together- you need to work it up some more man.
antne - color needs attention - all is too saturated and it doesn't help you image. the pose is difficutl and the perspective had you - the legs - all the pants area is odd and flat. also - see above - no black for shadows - no airbrush
eraser foot - almost wouldnt make it - it needs a bit more work - and you have the skill.
ashton - needs more work.
danger - if i squeent my eyes - i can barely see him - time to study values. start with one strong light - make it consistent. small value range - there are tonds of exercises and tutorials on the forums.
bluki - i agree with bumskee - it goes up - wip good enough - clean etc. a good lesson here.
muleskinner- back to basics sir. form, light...
black robin - needs more focus on shapes, proportions, perspective and values.
punkbound - needs definition of shapes, better proportions, correct values, depth, and more color work.
artdwx - just a comment - character almost blends with the background.
radu - needs more work.
zone on e - it's on the edge - needs more work - play more with values and color temp. in the shadow.
gun trover - not a fan of photo mixing. apart forn that... you should have payed more attention into blending everything better. there is defference in the level of detail of separated parts.
food - torso, legs problems - too rushed - a bit flat - lost in a the background a bit.
gene- back to basics. try simple shapes. watch proportions, form...
shaktool - see above about black in the shadow and airbrushing.
i wish i could have time for the good entires too - they deserve more then just being on the poll.
Thank you for being brave to be in CHOW. CHOW requires character RESPEKT.
10% of the ones that are already on the poll shouldn't be there. We will rize the quality bar higher. Always !!!!
With all the cuts - we have A LOT of entries to the poll! AMAZING!
I want a harder job!
Please try to save your progress - maybe a nice tutorial is comming out.
BE PROFESSIONAL - only finished and good quality entries will be taken to the poll. The host will make the selection.
DON'T FORGET YOUR PRIZE! THE WINNER OF THIS ROUND WILL SELECT THE TOPIC OF THE NEXT ONE!
And will assist me in selecting the entries for the poll. In one week we'll have a new client.Vote him now
WINNER - COLDRUM! yeeeey
Last edited by Oblio; June 18th, 2007 at 04:31 AM.
Hide this ad by registering as a memberJune 12th, 2007 #2
Hey bumskee/oblio, I don't mind if mine doesn't go to poll, but surely there can't be a rule about being generic. I definately wanted to be a bit generic, maybe I went too far? I kinda wanted a classic pirate look though. Anyway, it's your call bumskee
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June 12th, 2007 #3
I agree with about 90% of the entries in the final cut, however I only voted for one because I feel voting becomes sort of silly when you can vote for 1 to 25 different pieces.
In regards to a few pieces however....so line drawings are acceptable? Well, heck, than I could have just took the color layers off of mine and then you would have been OK with it! I took 'color or black & white' to mean tonal black and white value.
Also, if you're gonna cut NKunleashed for using black in his shadows, then you need to remove a few of the pieces from the poll. I understand it's hard with so many pieces, but be consistent.
Aren't these supposed to be character studies? Because two of the pieces in the final most definitely are not. I'm fine with not making it to the final, bumskee's and oblio's comments were all valid, but if I see a piece get cut for certain reasons and others make it that have all those problems, I think they should also be cut.
You offer to wash my feet as I offer to disobey You.
June 12th, 2007 #4
I voted for bradley, I really liked this piece from the beginning. I think it incorporated all the elements of the prompt and had a well thought out execution.
Xgabo, I really liked your take on the theme as well.
On a side note: People, please don't turn this thread into a bitch-fest on why you didn't make it to the poll. You didn't make it, read the crits and learn. When dealing with any form of juried competition there will be disagreements about quality, concepts, and whatever. This is all par for the course in the art world. You have to have very thick skin for this kind of business. The best advice I could ever give is "get used to it." Your worth as an artist will never be determined by what exhibits or shows, or jobs you get.
Please use this thread to VOTE, Thanks (end of rant)
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June 12th, 2007 #5Registered User
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i voted for....well the one that stood out the most as far as the thumbnail was concerned! had a good overall value spectrum! i did that becuase i know the choices had already been narrowed down, so this one had the most instant impact
i'll edit with the name of the entry once i see the results and hopefully a bigger picture
er...i still cant see the name but its the somewhat victorian, alluring pose holding the skull? nice take, and definetely different from most of the entries. a refined demonic pirate
June 12th, 2007 #6
im voted for leosdel, because i like the details of his pirate.. and the colors used is very beautiful!!!
June 12th, 2007 #7
you can use black as shadow - if you know how to make it to fit. the combo of soft black airbrush on saturated colors to give the sense of volume and shadow - it's just a wrong approach. it's a digital trauma...
there are no rules for quallity - like - ups - you used red - you're out.
some of the pieces i give crits and are still up there - as bumskee included them
we still have over 40 images in the poll. it's too much
i am thinking to make a selection of 10 each round. the rest - they should just know they need to work more next time.
it took me 5 hours for the whole poll today.
June 12th, 2007 #8
Magma: Shut up and draw. Spend all this energy on your next work, not on complaining so much.
Voted for Nutter. I thought it an engaging character. It has some issues, but really fond of it.
June 12th, 2007 #9
voted for RLyons - best action
Entdroid - most unique (albeit weird) direction
xgabo - tightest execution
oblio, is there a limit to the number of votes you can place on these? Just curious.
June 12th, 2007 #10
To all those who would say I'm bitching about not making the final, note that I said I was fine with it. I'm just challenging the moderators to be as consistent as possible with their criteria.
You offer to wash my feet as I offer to disobey You.
June 12th, 2007 #11
Again my hats off to you Oblio for spending so long to sort this out..
"digital trauma" best describes what I had in mind too. The over powering black outlines with heavy soft, smudged blending and heaps of black.. ..... it's definitely not the best approach..
generic? I thought the idea was to try and avoid making your characters look generic... well I thought that was the idea, but enough so we can all relate and see it as a pirate too...
Line drawings are usually not accepted? well actually that depends, well I am not too sure actually.. but just because it's a line drawing it doesn't mean the "quality" isn't there.. right? and well if it's good it's good
as for being consistent.. well I am sure we can never satisfy everyone.. but it's not intentional.. and I was trying to be as fair and unbiased.. I am sure Oblio did the same too. You are also saying we are inconsistent but that also might just be your view.. and can you be sure you will be consistent if you were in our shoes? you are already making decisions on your view alone and sadly that's exactly what we do as well.. So please understand it's never easy or fun to go through all the entries and decide who goes and who doesn't.
magam, you say you are fine with it but challenge the decision?
Last edited by bumskee; June 12th, 2007 at 12:48 PM.
June 12th, 2007 #12
June 12th, 2007 #13
Turns out it is more useful to get cut from the poll! Thanks for the critiques Oblio/Bumskee - hopefully I can get cut next week and get some more good feedback!
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