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    The Painful Question

    Not the first time this has been posted. In fact, I may have myself posted it before. However it is such an important video, I'm posting it here again.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90071483512003

    What happens when you wake up and realize the world is not the place you thought it was. That is the most painful question of all.


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    Every building above a certain height will have explosions like this implemented into it's framewire to trigger a cascade effect ratter than having that same building collapse onto several other buildings.
    Now there's 2 reasons they don't tell people:
    - how would you like going to work on a daily basis between that much explosive material?
    - Someone has to make a conscious decission to kill everybody that remains in the building to save the rest, try to explain that to the general public and loved ones.

    Ah well, was a logical decission though, more people would have died if they hadn't.
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    yeah theres more than enough 'evidence' to show you what logically happened.. in the end, we were lied to and are still being lied to and even though the truth is present, most people dont care enough to accept it.. it seems.. - JAG
    it's only after you've lost everything, that you're free to do anything..

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    There is not a single shred of evidence to support this wild conspiracy theory.

    http://www.911myths.com/

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html
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    Let me get this straight you actually believe the US government planted bombs in the world trade towers to be able to blame terrorists from Saudi Arabia to attack iraq.... wow my eyes are open now

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyFreeze View Post
    Let me get this straight you actually believe the US government planted bombs in the world trade towers to be able to blame terrorists from Saudi Arabia to attack iraq.... wow my eyes are open now
    No, I'm saying that as a safety measure all buildings above a certain height got this stuff on the inside in case the towers decide to tip over for what reason so ever. In this case it were people flying a plane inside the building, building started to collapse but in a bad manner, it would have landed ontop of other buildings so they pulled the charges and let it drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melancholie View Post
    No, I'm saying that as a safety measure all buildings above a certain height got this stuff on the inside in case the towers decide to tip over for what reason so ever. In this case it were people flying a plane inside the building, building started to collapse but in a bad manner, it would have landed ontop of other buildings so they pulled the charges and let it drop.
    Sorry to confuse you, that was for the OP and what the film is suggesting. I don't really get what your talking about at all...

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    The Painful Question


    The 911 Mysteries Viewer's Guide
    If you're going to watch this video, follow along with this. That way you can see both sides of the story.

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    Dammit people, if Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnel say it may have happened this way....then that's how it happened!!

    OR

    It was those damn jews. Come to think of it...I smell a Zionist plot at work here.
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    watch more southpark!
    http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=1009

    anyway... whatever happened, fact is that authority ist most often based on lies and semitruths...
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    The 911 Mysteries Viewer's Guide
    This website is extremely condescending... so much so that the interest I had in reading it quickly dissipated. In addition, starting out their entire thesis while attacking the video producer and belittling his arguments based on their own assumption of "sleep deprivation" is idiotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafain View Post
    watch more southpark!
    http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=1009

    anyway... whatever happened, fact is that authority ist most often based on lies and semitruths...
    Haha, exactly what I wanted to mention.
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    This website is extremely condescending... so much so that the interest I had in reading it quickly dissipated. In addition, starting out their entire thesis while attacking the video producer and belittling his arguments based on their own assumption of "sleep deprivation" is idiotic.
    It was not an assumption. The guy (producer) clearly stated in the video that he was "literally not sleeping for the entire week" while doing research on websites. NOT SLEEPING FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK? That's pretty hardcore don't you think? Sleep deprivation causes hallucinations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation

    I mean sure, the guy may have said it as a figure of speech. But he's doing this documentary that's supposed to bring to light a grand conspiracy theory. Maybe he should take care in what he says!

    As for the video... as soon as I heard "demolition hobbyist" and "after researching thousands of websites" his credibility was already shot.

    Demolition hobbyist DOES NOT make you an expert. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist however if you are going to put forward something so wild and accusatory please consult an expert first. Maybe you missed something?

    Researching thousands of websites? I don't really know how long that would take and what kind of websites is he talking about? Where are the references?

    PS. I am going to say something and it's going to make me look like the biggest nerd but here it is -> WFR: "People can be made to believe any lie, either because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it's true."
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    People will believe what they want to believe. Just like in the video they claimed the original report was broken down starting from conclusion to hypothesis. These people did the same thing they accuse the original reporters of doing. Plus, I seriously dont think someone can stay up a week straight without some sort of drug and still be able to think, and caffeine wouldnt do it.

    This goes with the general saying. If you look for something hard enough you'll find what you want to be looking for. one person can not possibly take a tragedy such as this, and put all the facts together, and remember every single thing. He didnt have any criticism through the process or possibly no one argued with him. He just went along with it. He believed what he believed so he tried to find evidence to support it, which causes a person not to be objective. It's straight paranoia, and that is all there is to it. People want to think there is more to something to give it higher purpose, but the fact is a funded terrorist group took advantage of our Naievity, hit the building and by chance the buildings just collapsed. The explosions are curious, and the connections are interesting, but people cant just watch one convincing video and believe all of it just because it's "different". Do your own studies without having a conclusion first. Make it a question, "why did this happen?" and look it up and dont be convinced until you seriously put some time into it.

    And a loud boom doesnt always mean it's an explosion. These people were in a panic, and I'm not saying they were incompetent but if your in a scary situation, you get completely frightened and your mind can assume things... When you look back on things your mind plays tricks on you... You try to reason with yourself what you saw, but the thing is you were so scared for your own life and others, information you take in is abstract.
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    http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change

    This one is a long read but you'll find it debunks every single point Loose change makes.

    Plus it's got a handy-dandy directory for those of you who want to cut the chase.

    Human reasoning like this drives me nuts. It just goes in one massive loop, you point out some valid reasoning and they'll retort 'omg no teh jews put that there u r a sheeple omg!!!' or 'THEY'VE BEEN PAID OFF TOO' and so on. They do this forever, and that is a rebuttal to every single argument you could make.

    I love a good conspiracy as much as the next person, but I love objectivity even more. (:

    And in a more humorous light: http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html

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    Oh GOD these guys don't know their facts, talking about wood smoke when the building was made of STEEL, plastics, other NON-wood items inside the building. Comparing a steel from astove to the steel in a building is ridiculous, the amount of carbon in steel changes all it's properties.

    Even if they DO have a point, if they include bullshit like that, they just lose credibility. I'd rather watch something else on the subject, even if it's something like 911 Loose Change.

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    The issue isn't whether or not the buildings were pre-wired or if it was a missile hitting the Pentagon (another conspiracy theory); the issue is that 9/11 OCCURRED.

    The issue is that this administration was asleep at the wheel as it received alert after alert that there was indeed a terrorist plan on striking the US within US borders and using planes as bombs for this strike. There were alerts. Lots of 'em. And this administration ignored them. No meetings were set; the AG was only concerned about exposed boobies on statues and porn; a President remained on vacation; and no alerts were given to ANY of the cities that could be targets.

    That's the frickin' issue. And it's sad that with so much obfuscation that has been thrown our way by this administration and it's cronies, that we're relegated to argue about conspiracy theories.

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    Ah yes, more loose change bullshit.

    Guess what Chingwa, it's BS dressed up in a party coat and hat to satisfy the conspiracy nuts, just like all the other common conspiracy BS we've had to deal with through the years, like the multitudes of crap JFK theories, the scientifically laughable moon-hoax arguments, the "steel doesn't melt at that temperature" loose change tripe, JOOOOOOS!!, Illuminati, UFOs, whatever.

    And if it wasn't BS then you are still powerless, and if you aren't powerless, then you would be rendered such by the forces you threaten. Don't get your blood pressure up and focus on the stuff that really should be scaring you, like religion's slow creep into politics, a pathetic school system, public apathy, and a government full of entrenched criminals, blowhards and, well... Bush and co.

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    I think the real painful question is what exactly happened on 4/29 and why is the government trying to cover up the truth about it?

    "The “official story” from “official government sources” is that weekend a lone gas truck driver crashed a single tanker loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded gasoline into a guardrail in what they say was an ordinary accident. Unfortunately there are too many questionable statements, too many conflicting reports, and too many outright impossibilities for any serious, thoughtful individual to take this “official report” seriously."


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    Quote Originally Posted by 0kelvin View Post
    I think the real painful question is what exactly happened on 4/29 and why is the government trying to cover up the truth about it?

    "The “official story” from “official government sources” is that weekend a lone gas truck driver crashed a single tanker loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded gasoline into a guardrail in what they say was an ordinary accident. Unfortunately there are too many questionable statements, too many conflicting reports, and too many outright impossibilities for any serious, thoughtful individual to take this “official report” seriously."


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    Are these guys for real? I can't seem to pick up on the sarcasm which should be there....

    I think the real question is which jokester took a dump in the school urinal. Who would benefit from sneaking up to an unsuspecting urinal, taking down his pants, pulling his butt cheeks apart with his hands, and laying down a big mud monkey?
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    I don't believe in the official story at all, and I do think the government had something to do with it. Though I'm not sure on the whole bomb thing.

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    People will believe what they want to believe.
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