Sketchbook: Loolarge at his desk - July 5th - Some nudity

Join 500,000+ Artists

Its' free and it takes less than 10 seconds!

Join the #1 Art Workshop - LevelUpJoin Premium Art Workshop

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 95
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Loolarge at his desk - July 5th - Some nudity

    Hi Everybody. I was lurking around here for two years or so, mostly browsing the sketchbooks. I am 26. About 6 months ago i started my first sketchbook (not online) and finally got it all filled up (yay!). But i feel my drawing skills are still rather lacking. So i will post the better ones from my book here and keep updating. Hopefully you will able to see that "from zero to hero" progression one day

    So far i got through "The structure of man" by Riven Phoenix halfway, and Recently i joined a regular life drawing session. And i just ordered the book "The new drawing with the right side of the brain". Heared mixed opinions about it.

    Questions

    What i do alot is doing very quick sketches of poses from photos. I am wondering if it is better for a beginner to do long and detailed drawings. Or the other way around: if i keep doing the quick and rough ones, will it hurt my development?

    I normally use A4 for drawing. Is it better to use big sheets of paper, so you can put in more detail? They told me this at the life drawing session, but i felt it was actually more difficult on bigger sheets.


    That's it for now. Big ups to all the great artists and my fellow beginners here

    Attached Images Attached Images                                                                                                            
    Last edited by Loolarge; July 5th, 2009 at 03:32 PM. Reason: new title
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  


  2. Hide this ad by registering as a member
  3. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Columbus, Oh
    Posts
    1,720
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked 61 Times in 61 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Welcome to CA. Nice sketches. Lots of nice sketches. Quick figures wont hurt your progression at all, I suggest to do a little of both really, try long studies and quick studies. I usually try to draw from 6- 8 hrs daily if I can, ive filled up about 4 different sketchbooks in the past 4 months. All I can say is to keep sketching and youll get better in no time.

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"- Albert Einstein


    Eric wants to LEARN! Sketchbook


    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  4. #3
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Thanks for your encouraging comment, Envisor. I won't be able to draw as long as you aim for everyday because i cannot draw at my dayjob. I am sure though that i will still progress well, since i am now putting more effort in this than i did ever before in my life People told me to draw from life for years, but i was too lazy to look for an opportunity. But now i found this course in my town. You pay 25 Eur. per month and you can go there 3 times a week in the evenings.

    I subscribed to your thread, so keep it coming then!

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  5. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Throwing in more old stuff (mostly stuff that i did about a year ago):

    Attached Images Attached Images                                      
    Last edited by Loolarge; April 23rd, 2007 at 04:45 PM. Reason: removed smileys
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  6. #5
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Todays life drawings:

    Attached Images Attached Images                
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  7. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Life drawings from today and yesterday, plus some sketches from photo ref:

    Attached Images Attached Images                    
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  8. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Hamburg
    Posts
    310
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Hopefully you will able to see that "from zero to hero" progression one day
    There's already some progress visible, keep it up. : )

    So far i got through "The structure of man" by Riven Phoenix halfway, and Recently i joined a regular life drawing session. And i just ordered the book "The new drawing with the right side of the brain". Heared mixed opinions about it.
    Get yourself some Loomis E-Books (link's in my sig), they're like the illustrators bible. ; )

    Questions

    What i do alot is doing very quick sketches of poses from photos. I am wondering if it is better for a beginner to do long and detailed drawings. Or the other way around: if i keep doing the quick and rough ones, will it hurt my development?
    I'm just starting out too, but I think that it's better to concentrate on big shapes and the general flow, than getting caught up in details when you're starting out.
    Once you've come across a shape you really like, you can still flesh it out anyway. : )


    I normally use A4 for drawing. Is it better to use big sheets of paper, so you can put in more detail? They told me this at the life drawing session, but i felt it was actually more difficult on bigger sheets.
    Going big gives you more space for details and it forces you to use your whole arm, instead of just your wrist, thus resulting in more smooth lines, or so I heard. (yeah, I'm also struggling with going big)

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  9. #8
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    SgtDirtBag, thanks for stopping by! I got Loomis book(s), but i did not really work with it yet. I have the Bridgman book also, which i find valuable too.

    During the last sessions i got more comfortable with drawing big, part of it was that i used an 6B pencil instead of HB, so i can do thicker strokes.

    So here is todays update:

    Attached Images Attached Images                          
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  10. #9
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Hamburg
    Posts
    310
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I really like this page, especially the guy in the top-middle.

    This one's also sweet, the girl with the bag and the big man are well captured.

    Also the top-right males on this page and this one look really good.
    They got flow, clean lines, sweet shading and really show some anatomy knowledge on your side. : )

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  11. #10
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    792
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Well, if you want to learn figure drawing, I'd say you're well on your way. Two things I noticed looking through your stuff: Your faces aren't as good as the rest of the figures. You might want to focus on them a bit. The other thing is that I'd suggest is for you to look for 'landmarks' on the figures you're drawing. When you're doing a picture, compare the locations of body parts with each other. Already drawn the torso but don't know where to put the elbows? Figure out where they are in relation to the navel. I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across here, so look up as much stuff on life drawing as you can, there's a lot of little tricks you can use to keep figures (and anything else) in proportion.

    Sketchbook support group #7
    Andorz
    Koshime
    Number_6
    Slash
    Mike Frank
    Haldor
    BDFoster
    Gloominati
    _________________________________________
    The Hunger site
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  12. #11
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    SgtDirtbag: Thanks for caring and stopping by again

    Number_6: I am thankful for your critique, i will work on those faces. For the
    landmarks thing i am trying to do that!

    I was visiting a convention named FMX in Stuttgart during the week and did not draw at all :/ The idea was to do something in the hotel, i even had my bridgman book with me. But i felt sick, had a little cold. I did attend the life drawing on thursday. I think i have done better before, but i guess i was too distracted of the amazingly beatiful model that i could not draw straight
    Name:  lifedr.jpg
Views: 697
Size:  68.2 KB
    Name:  lf2.jpg
Views: 900
Size:  34.8 KB

    Yesterday i started doing the first few exercises from "drawing on the right side of the brain". Here are the upside down drawings. The second one is the front cover from a book of Christopher Hart. I was very pleased with the result (although you can spot many differences when compared closeley. But at first glance it is an exact copy of the drawing.)

    Name:  ScanImage196.jpg
Views: 747
Size:  57.4 KB
    Name:  ScanImage195.jpg
Views: 701
Size:  59.2 KB

    Some rubbish i did to my sketchbook:
    Name:  ScanImage197.jpg
Views: 706
Size:  65.4 KB

    I think these drawings below from photo ref turned out pretty nicely: I am guessing that this boost was a result from doing the exercises. I approached these drawings based on this quote from the upside down exercise in the book:

    I recommend that you not try to draw the entire outline of the from and then "fill in" the parts. The reason is that if you make any small error in the outline, the parts inside won't fit. One of the great joys of drawing is the discovery of how the parts fit together. Therefore, I recommend that you move from line to adjacent line, space to adjacent space, working your way through the drawing, fitting the parts together as you go.
    Not that i will take this as a golden rule, but i will try working like this some more and see if it works a few more times.

    Name:  ScanImage198.jpg
Views: 686
Size:  52.4 KB

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  13. #12
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Hamburg
    Posts
    310
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Loolarge View Post
    SgtDirtbag: Thanks for caring and stopping by again
    Aww, no biggie. : )
    It's encouraging to see somebody else who's just getting started on this beautiful journey. *fg*

    I did attend the life drawing on thursday.
    I think i have done better before, but i guess i was too distracted
    of the amazingly beatiful model that i could not draw straight
    If a beautiful girl doesn't make you draw "straight", I wonder what will.
    (haha, that one was lame I know... xD)

    Yesterday i started doing the first few exercises
    from "drawing on the right side of the brain".
    Here are the upside down drawings.
    That exercise really fucked with my head when I did it the first time. xD
    You did the second one upside down, too? That's looking mighty fine.

    Some rubbish i did to my sketchbook:
    Bullshit, it's a learning experience, embrace it, keep plowing through and don't put yourself down.

    I think these drawings below
    from photo ref turned out pretty nicely:
    Yep, they're coming along nicely. : )

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  14. #13
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Ok, here is some more life drawing stuff:

    Name:  IMG_0801.JPG
Views: 696
Size:  66.9 KB

    Name:  IMG_0802.JPG
Views: 730
Size:  62.9 KB

    Name:  IMG_0803.JPG
Views: 653
Size:  62.6 KB

    Name:  IMG_0804.JPG
Views: 717
Size:  31.8 KB

    Name:  IMG_0805.JPG
Views: 652
Size:  67.4 KB

    Name:  IMG_0806.JPG
Views: 658
Size:  67.2 KB

    Name:  IMG_0810.JPG
Views: 644
Size:  41.9 KB

    Name:  IMG_0812.JPG
Views: 646
Size:  81.0 KB

    Name:  IMG_0815.JPG
Views: 637
Size:  54.6 KB

    Name:  IMG_0816.JPG
Views: 635
Size:  44.6 KB

    Name:  IMG_0817.JPG
Views: 623
Size:  28.4 KB

    Name:  IMG_0818.JPG
Views: 618
Size:  34.2 KB

    Name:  IMG_0819.JPG
Views: 700
Size:  31.9 KB

    Name:  IMG_0821.jpg
Views: 615
Size:  18.9 KB

    From the sketchbook:

    Name:  ScanImage199.jpg
Views: 620
Size:  44.8 KB

    Name:  ScanImage200.jpg
Views: 610
Size:  37.6 KB

    Name:  ScanImage201.jpg
Views: 620
Size:  34.5 KB

    Name:  ScanImage202.jpg
Views: 616
Size:  47.4 KB

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  15. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    E'ville, CA
    Posts
    178
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Thanks for stopping by my sketchbook. You're definitely improving. Keep working on the anatomy and proportion of your figures. Doing some face studies might help as well. Keep it up!

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  16. #15
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Hamburg
    Posts
    310
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Hey, sweet life drawings. : )

    The lower drawing on this one and the top and left on this one are especially nice.
    They look less hatched than the other ones and thus have a more natural look.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  17. #16
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Update

    I keep thinking to myself that i should do more studies of individual bodyparts and stuff, but drawing entire poses from photo is so much fun

    @SgtDirtbag: thanks for pointing me to the photography section on deviantart, i found some really nice references there!

    @Brian: Thanks for stopping by. Face studies are on my list

    Some recent stuff:

    Attached Images Attached Images                                        
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  18. #17
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Bulgaria/Germany
    Posts
    813
    Thanks
    28
    Thanked 128 Times in 119 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    wow i see here a lot kind of good stuff, keep that tempo, i see too every post from you are full with sketches - that's great
    Cheers

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  19. #18
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    512
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Man, you're profilic! It's awesome that you're doing so many drawings from life. I know they're hard, and not really as fun as the crazy monsters and superheroes and stuff, but they're so important. Are you doing any "sniping" -- drawing people in public places? It teaches you a lot, because you have to be quick. You said something about studying specific body parts. YES, definitely do this, as well. Your anatomy does seem to be lacking. Get a good anatomy book, and just copy everything out of it.

    Keep it up!

    ketchook!


    SSG #44
    "The Fightin' 44th"
    - _andreas_ - brunopicinini - funfetus - Suarezart -
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  20. #19
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Hamburg
    Posts
    310
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Man, you're machine... that's a big load of sketches.

    My favourites this time are (1) (2) (3)

    They show very confident lines and good anatomy.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  21. #20
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    321
    Thanks
    20
    Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Wow, really nice looking poses you got! One thing you should do is try and paint some of it, it will practice your color as well!

    I can't say much on anatomy except it look very nice. The only crits I have is to put more color in your SB! I need to do that as well!

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  22. #21
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Guys, thanks alot for your comments! Funfetus, actually only the pictures with the greyish background are drawn from life. My thread title was a little misleading, i hope you are not too disappointed. Most other stuff is from photo ref. Sniping around - i don't really do that alot, but i will try!

    So here comes the new stuff from the last two weeks.

    So here i tried to do some studies from Bridgman and Loomis heads:
    Name:  ScanImage217.jpg
Views: 534
Size:  52.3 KB
    Name:  ScanImage218.jpg
Views: 537
Size:  48.6 KB
    Name:  ScanImage219.jpg
Views: 544
Size:  65.2 KB
    Name:  ScanImage220.jpg
Views: 540
Size:  73.0 KB

    These are some very quick sketches from the zoo:
    Name:  ScanImage222.jpg
Views: 532
Size:  45.3 KB
    Name:  ScanImage223.jpg
Views: 525
Size:  55.2 KB
    Name:  ScanImage224.jpg
Views: 513
Size:  65.1 KB
    Name:  ScanImage225.jpg
Views: 516
Size:  49.6 KB

    And today i decided to use some bigger paper and draw some heads from photo ref (busts):
    Name:  IMG_0849.JPG
Views: 514
Size:  50.2 KB
    Name:  IMG_0844.JPG
Views: 520
Size:  38.7 KB
    Name:  IMG_0846.JPG
Views: 524
Size:  43.7 KB

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  23. #22
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Stuff

    Hi all! I bought a few new books:
    Name:  greatmasters.jpg
Views: 507
Size:  19.8 KBName:  atlasofanatomy.jpg
Views: 493
Size:  13.8 KBName:  Brom.jpg
Views: 509
Size:  16.6 KB

    So here are my most recent life drawings, followed by some sketchbook pages.

    At the moment there is a little discouragement going on. I feel like i am not really improving. I found some old sketches that i drew from ref years ago. And i found they were as good or bad as my recent stuff. My goal is being able to draw from imagination, but it does not seem to come easily. I was hoping drawing nudes from photographs would get me closer to that. Gotta do more constructed and analyzed drawings instead of reffed stuff i think. What do you think, any advice?

    Attached Images Attached Images            
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  24. #23
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    1,192
    Thanks
    36
    Thanked 57 Times in 45 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Hey mate,

    I think theres a big show of improvement with the figure studies you have been doing, keep up the pace.

    I see you did an exercise from Drawing on the right side of the brain, read the whole book and try to do some more of the exercises from it, its a great book.

    Keep working like your working at it now and I'm sure you will see yourself your improvements.

    When your doing the life drawings, try to look at the figure and see it as basic shapes, then take your time and place fewer lines on your paper to try and build a believable figure with less lines.

    Keep it up.

    Joe.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  25. #24
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Hamburg
    Posts
    310
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr-Joe View Post
    When your doing the life drawings, try to look at the figure and see it as basic shapes, then take your time and place fewer lines on your paper to try and build a believable figure with less lines.

    Keep it up.

    Joe.
    I totally agree with that. : )

    I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but there was this great quote:

    "Drawing is 3 parts looking, 2 parts thinking and 1 part drawing."

    Meaning you have to extensively analyse your subject optically.

    - Where are big shapes and masses?
    - Try to see shapes in negative and positive space.
    - How are their proportions relative to each other?
    - Which planes define the surface of my object and how would they affect the flow of my lines?
    - At which angles are lines and shapes positioned to each other?

    Then, to really cement it, you have to analyse why it looks like that.
    You have to know for example why an arm in a specific positions has a bulge here and a dent there and not the other way around.
    After you've done that, think how you would transform your knowledge into as few lines as possible.

    Holding a pencil NOT with a writing, but with a sketching grip really helped me because
    it forces you to draw with your entire arm which makes many small, fuzzy lines less likely.
    I prefer the Overhand Grip, but take a look at the others too.

    -----------

    Another thought that crosses my mind is, do you make your anatomy studies by looking back and forth between your drawing and the reference in the book?

    I did the same for a while and it didn't help me as much as I hoped it would.

    I also noticed that I'm getting a little more fluent in drawing from anatomy references,
    but this creates a false sense of understanding because as soon as I try to draw, lets say,
    a skull from memory I feel it's not as present in my memory as I would like it to be.

    I think what helps to build a visual library is to look at the reference image for a while, then close the book and try to draw it from memory.
    After you're done, compare, analyse where you went wrong and repeat the process until you know it by heart.
    Just like you would learn vocabulary.

    -------------

    And what's most important: DONT GET DISCOURAGED!
    I'll track you down and make you draw if you quit, I swear!


    No really, you're well on your way mate, just stick with it. : )

    Last edited by SgtDirtbag; June 22nd, 2007 at 04:12 AM.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  26. #25
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mr Joe - Thanks alot for stepping by and the encouraging words. For the next exercises in the book i need to build this picture frame, i was too lazy to look for the materials yet. I guess i should simpy go and buy a common glass frame today. And i will try describing the figures with less lines, thanks for the hints!

    SgtDirtbag - Thank you for putting so much effort in helping me. You are quite a pal! I agree with all of your points. Doing studies the way you learn vocabularies might be more efficient indeed. I was steering into that direction allready, last weekend i tried to construct some poses without ref and just kept erasing and adjusting stuff until it looked decent. Somehow this made me feel better. I realized that i need to study the lower arm more though. About negative spaces: i use them all the time, couldnt think of not doing so The overhand grip - gotta try that as well. Riven Phoenix did suggest that in the structure of man allready, but i did not make it a habit for some reason.

    So here are the drawings from this week:

    Attached Images Attached Images              
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  27. #26
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    This weekend i tried constructing or remembering poses without looking at reference.

    Attached Images Attached Images  
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  28. #27
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    513
    Thanks
    30
    Thanked 72 Times in 68 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    without a ref... that's tough, i usually just stare at my page intimidated by the blankness D: great job on them, your experience with figure drawing really paid off

    SSG 69 ARTGASMIC FORCE
    Eon l grenappels l snootchy l Peetaer l bleupencil

    a game i made
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  29. #28
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Holland
    Posts
    451
    Thanks
    28
    Thanked 51 Times in 50 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Nice work, but maybe you should work with more helplines. Your proportions are a bit off and anatomy could use some more work.
    Defenitly see improvents, keep up the good work.


    Thanks for dropping by!
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  30. #29
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Hannover, Germany
    Posts
    156
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Some more life drawings

    Attached Images Attached Images  
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  31. #30
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    1,192
    Thanks
    36
    Thanked 57 Times in 45 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    http://conceptart.org/forums/attachm...1&d=1183289018

    Wow!!! huge improvement! How many life drawing sessions have you been to?

    look at the reference image for a while, then close the book and try to draw it from memory.
    (sgtdirtbag)
    Thats some real good advice, I'll have to do some of that myself because I know exactly what you mean about not having it in your memory, I tend to "copy" the reference too exactly and end up not learning what I wanted to learn when I started practicing.

    Keep at it your really showing improvement.

    Joe.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 0

There are no members to list at the moment.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • 424,149 Artists
  • 3,599,276 Artist Posts
  • 32,941 Sketchbooks
  • 54 New Art Jobs
Art Workshop Discount Inside
Register

Developed Actively by vBSocial.com
The Art Department
SpringOfSea's Sketchbook