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    Investing in the Stock Market vs. Spending Time and Money on Artwork

    I am a person fast approaching mid 50’s and this conclusion from years of trial and error experience is becoming more apparent. You have a much better chance at financial success by exploiting other peoples’ labor than you do working hard at something like creative artwork and design.

    This week the stock market moved into record breaking territory. People are making all kinds of returns from investing their money in the stock market. A well diversified portfolio of investments will generally protect one against adverse risk and over the years has provided approximately a 10% return on investment. Whether you have easy money to invest or money you worked really hard to accumulate for investing you have very little work to do on top of the investing and managing your investments. In the stock market you make money (dividends) by exploiting other peoples’ hard work and labor.

    Artwork on the other hand is something I have persistently continued to pursue. Spent four years of career training back in the 1970’s for illustrating art and commercial art. I have never really made a living at artwork and never sold anything for any reasonable profit. I have spent thousands of hours working on paintings and drawings over the past 30 years (with ten years of not doing much). For me to pursue artwork the reality is to earn money outside of this field by working hard at some other form of labor and then use what you made there to invest in supplies to work even harder pursuing something that can become downright frustrating and aggravating as you become more serious about perfecting your work. There is an incredible amount of competition in this area for what opportunities are available. Therefore your risk is very high and adverse when investing your time and money into pursuing art. You also run a higher level of risk from having your work stolen by someone else, especially with anything shown on the internet. In conclusion artwork seems like very little return for a lot of work and extremely high risk involved.

    As I draw close to retirement age and find myself with no money I realize that the time and money spent pursuing artwork was a waste of time and a serious mistake that will now cause me financial problems as I approach retirement. Was it something I enjoyed? In the roller coaster ups and downs I have experienced in life, the only time I have enjoyed working with art is when I have a lot of money for the freedom to do what I want and pay for living expenses providing more time to concentrate on artwork. During the difficult times it always seems like a waste of time and money. It seems to me that artwork is something that only the rich should pursue for fun and enjoyment. I'm sure there are exceptions where someone from a poor background becomes financially successful doing what they like as a professional artist yet the odds seem much better investing money in something where you exploit other peoples hard work and labor like the stock market and also a lot less work involved.
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    Hmm, it's kinda sad to me how something as free emotionally as artwork can just be analyzed in a statistical manner. The people who are successful at art are generally the people who love it more than anything and will do it happily regardless of whether they're getting paid or not.
    I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with art and that it has left a bad taste in your mouth. I just hope that reading this won't ruin it for anybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Lo Piano
    It seems to me that artwork is something that only the rich should pursue for fun and enjoyment.
    ewww...
    Would you really want all of the world's art to have been created by hobbyists?
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    I want to say so much...
    But I'll leave it at:
    One should be very careful about universalizing personal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    I want to say so much...
    But I'll leave it at:
    One should be very careful about universalizing personal experience.
    I was writing a post but Elwell summed it up far better than I could have. It'll never be one of the highest paying jobs in the world, but there are many people here making a comfortable living off of art.


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    I'm going to be very blunt here. I'm sorry if it offends anybody.
    Your thread disgusts me.
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    Sad to hear that you ended up with regrets .

    It's still too early for me to make judgements on the topic, but right now I feel that the right thing to do is pursue your dreams, no matter what they are.
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    Hmm...I clicked on the link that says it's your homepage. If it's the one that has Xena and others on it, well I can see why you've had trouble making it in the art world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfwalls View Post
    Hmm...I clicked on the link that says it's your homepage. If it's the one that has Xena and others on it, well I can see why you've had trouble making it in the art world.
    Also, check out his previous threads. Hilarious =)
    I now have 2 threads to show all my artsy fartsy fellow classmates that think they'll make it.

    Thanks Stephen Lo Piano!
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    dude that's tough

    sorry, i do not know if you are passing for the so called "mid fifties crisis" but, thats harsh ... you cannot just say that art is like that
    art is more than thinking about getting rich and other stuff ... yeah of course we need money to live, but thats not about it... one thing is doing something to get money, other is doing sth because you like

    I am gonna post and translate a really good text of one guy from here Brazil and what advice he has:

    "Não paute sua vida, nem sua carreira, pelo dinheiro.
    Ame seu ofício com todo o coração. Persiga fazer o melhor. Seja fascinado
    pelo realizar, que o dinheiro virá como conseqüência.
    Quem pensa só em dinheiro não consegue sequer ser nem um grande bandido,nem
    um grande canalha.
    Napoleão não invadiu a Europa por dinheiro.
    Hitler não matou 6 milhões de judeus por dinheiro.
    Michelangelo não passou 16 anos pintando a Capela Sistina por dinheiro.
    E, geralmente, os que só pensam nele não o ganham. Porque são incapazes de
    sonhar. E tudo que fica pronto na vida foi construído antes, na alma.
    A propósito disso, lembro-me de uma passagem extraordinária, que descreve o
    diálogo entre uma freira americana cuidando de leprosos no Pacífico e um
    milionário texano. O milionário, vendo-a tratar daqueles leprosos, disse:
    "Freira, eu não faria isso por dinheiro nenhum no mundo." E ela responde:
    "Eu também não, meu filho".
    Não estou fazendo com isso nenhuma apologia à pobreza, muito pelo
    contrário.
    Digo apenas que pensar e realizar, tem trazido mais fortuna do que pensar
    em fortuna. "


    English:

    "Do not guide your life, neither your job, by money.
    Love what you do with all you got. Thrive to be the best. Be fascinated about "doing", that money will come as consequence.
    One who thinks only about money is not even able to be a good thief, nor a big jerk.
    Napoleon did not invade Europe for money.
    Hitler didn't kill 6 millions jewishs for money.
    Michelangelo did not spent 16 years of his life painting the Sistine Chapel for money.
    And usually, one who only thinks about money, ends up not getting it at all. Because they are incapable of dreaming. And everything that is done in life has been built before, in our own soul.
    By the way, that reminds me of a extraordinary quote that describes the dialog between an female american priest watching for people with leprosis in the Pacific and a millionare from Texas. The millionaire, watching the lady taking care of all that needed people says:
    "Lady, I would not do that not even for 1 million dollars". And the lady answers:
    "Me neither my loved."
    I am not doing an apology for poorness or something like that, it is exaclty the opposite of that.
    I am just saying that thinking and doing, has been bringing more fortune that thinking about fortune."


    Nizan Guimaraes


    Yeah, thats the translation. It is not perfect but I think you can get the gist.

    Heres the link (in portuguese, you can put in google translator) of the text:
    http://autoracing.cidadeinternet.com...hp/t30280.html

    This text is awsome! Ive read it at least 10x.
    Maybe if you guys want I can translate the rest of it for you.

    Best regards,
    Bruno.
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    ...you know, i was half expecting a link to some cheesy get-rich-quick-on-the-stockmarket spammy website after your rant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Lo Piano View Post
    As I draw close to retirement age and find myself with no money I realize that the time and money spent pursuing artwork was a waste of time and a serious mistake that will now cause me financial problems as I approach retirement.
    Artists...retire?
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    Maybe when you die, your artwork will become extremely valuable and you will never have to worry about money again!
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