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    The Netherlands.

    Right, so.. I'm from the Netherlands, and I'm looking for an education in art (eventually I'd like to do something like character design). I've been looking into local art schools, I found a grand total of three.

    One is a school that does game design, animation, music and soundeffects, theatre production, fashion, industrial design, writing, acting, etc.. unfortunately the only thing they don't seem to have is a regular "learn to draw" program.

    Then there's the "academy of art". Sounded nice, but the descriptions on their website made me raise my eyebrow more than once. It says they try to teach "creativity", and that it's students often turn in poor work to recieve higher marks. They do teach all the good stuff.. anatomy, perspective, color, lighting..
    Here's an exposition page of some of their students..: http://www.kunstacademiehaarlem.nl/kh-webexpo.htm

    And finally, the "mixacademy". Their website basically says "Do you wanna be a: cartoonist, illustrator, graphical designer, fashion designer, photograpther, etc, etc? Then this is the place for you!"
    When things sound too good to be true, they usually are.. I'm not sure what to think of these guys. They're also quite expensive, and the gouvernment won't give you a dime if you study there. 3000 euro per year.. I could get my hands on that type of money, but that's a lot of cash for such a dodgy sounding school.

    Here's the websites for all of the above, in case any of you know Dutch, or can tell me something from looking at the presentation:
    http://www.hku.nl/hku/show
    http://www.kunstacademiehaarlem.nl/kh.htm
    http://www.mixacademy.nl/

    I'm not completely sure what I want, I'm not sure at all how to get there, and I'm absolutely oblivious when it comes to picking the right school. I hope someone can give me some type of advice, thanks in advance.


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    eh, I've been to an open dag from mix and it isn't a regular art school. It's a particuliere school and they only have 4 teachers and one class room. The main focus of that school is to be there for the drop-outs and the MAVO people and it's some sort of vooropleiding for one of the other schools.

    About the other schools,
    I'm going to do the vooropleiding at the HKU next year (right now I'm in 5VWO) and I'm really looking forward to it. But all the schools I've been to, indeed seem to focus mainly on creativity above craftmanship. To me, that's not too big a problem as I want to do something like graphic design later, but I understand it's quite frustrating for you.
    I've also been at a stuvo (studievoorlichting) from avans. They told me avans in Breda focusses 50% on autonome kunst and 50% graphic design (I can't remember exactly what the second 50% was about) and avans in s'Hertogenbosch focusses 20% on autonome kunst and 80% on the rest.
    I don't really know how that relationship is put at HKU but the Illustration department didn't look really promising IMO. I haven't seen all of it ofcourse.
    I'm still going to visit a couple of other schools and if I come across a school which fits your tastes, I'll try to let you know.
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    Thanks for the info, and I really hope you'll find something..

    I've checked a few more now, all seem to either go straight on to hardcore graphic design or dwindle near expressionism, which to me sounds pretty useless if you're looking for a job in something like the gamesindustry.

    Anyone able to shed a light on what would be the right direction to follow? 'cause I'm not completely sure..

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    Runedemilot, I'm currently looking at these 2 schools I found recently (especially the Wackers Academie, been to an open day):

    http://www.wackersacademie.nl/
    http://www.klassieke-academie.nl/

    I mentioned these in this thread you might find interesting too: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93952
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    You also have the ArtEZ in Arnhem. A friend of mine is on a waiting-list for it. He's the first one on it, so as soon as someone desides to drop out, he's in for next year.
    Me, I'm going to do Industrial Design (UTwente), and I'll just try to focus on anatomy in my spare time.

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    I visited the open dag of the HKU (Animation department), and it was really promising. The students/teachers I talked to really had 'the fire'. The main focus is animation (doh), but also story and character development is important. They really gave the idea of artistic freedom, opposite of Illustration what was all about the commercial stuff (nothing wrong with though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coen
    Runedemilot, I'm currently looking at these 2 schools I found recently (especially the Wackers Academie, been to an open day):

    http://www.wackersacademie.nl/
    http://www.klassieke-academie.nl/

    I mentioned these in this thread you might find interesting too: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93952
    Ah, now that is helpfull, thanks mate.

    So, my options are.. get an education in design and teach myself, or attend one of those two academies? Both sound like reasonable options..

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    That's the same dilemma I got at the moment Runedemilot (except that I won't attend a design academy). I'm not sure yet about the quality and the skills of the teachers at the Wackers Academie, and it costs quite some money (and it's not an official academy so that makes it even more expensive).
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    The Open Days of http://www.klassieke-academie.nl are on Tuesday 1, Wednesday 2 and Thursday 3 may 2007, 11.00-17.00 h. on the location Akerkhof 43, Groningen (centre of the town).
    There 'll be an exhibition of works from students and also a diashow according this education. Everyone is welcome.

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    I haven't seen someone who mentioned KABK (http://kabk.nl). I was thinking to go there to study Fine Arts. But student’s works they showed on open day "impressed" me so much , that I've changed my decision. Have someone heard about this school? It's in The Hague.
    So I've decided to go to study to an atelier. Now I'm seeking a good one. Maybe you can help?

    By the way, useful articles about formal art education. http://www.poopinmymouth.com/tutoria..._training.html, http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2.../richards1.asp

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    klassiekeacademie - I assume you're speaking on behalf of de Klassieke Academie itself, am I right? If so, I'd really like to post a question for you here if you don't mind: What is the exact (or main) difference between the Wackers Academie en de Klassieke Academie?

    Thanks.

    OdinUa - Hey OdinUa, the only schools I found in the Netherlands that really (seem to) teach fundamental drawing and painting are the ones I posted earlier in this thread. I'm looking at these schools but I'm not sure yet what to do. I think other than that the only way is to find something abroad.
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    The "Alfa College" in Groningen will be starting a 4 year course in Game Design starting in september 2007.
    I will be one of the participants

    They will be mainly focussing on the design process of games and you will be send to companies that are "in the business" for a uhm... "stage" ( dont know the word in english)
    Drawing will play a big role here as well as 3D modelling.
    You should only follow this course if you are not that good yet though, because otherwise I think you will be very bored.
    I have met a few of the teachers and they are quite cool and talented. Also they will be hiring new tutors especially for this education.

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    Thanks for the tip Gazeebo, I'll check that one out. I'm even thinking about training on my own for a about a year and after that moving to the US for proper education. It's really hard to think about this tho, since it would be a huge (and expensive) step for me..

    hmm.. difficult stuff!
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    hey guys.

    cool i'm not the only one asking himself why there arent any proper artschools in the netherlands, i searched for a proper school and visited opendagen at: design academy eindhoven, gerrit rietveld academy amsterdam, hku utrecht and they all disappointed me very very much. they all teach anatome art. so you have to get a really big fat brush, smack paint to a big ass canvas and you have to search a meaning in that or something. so i asked a student why they dont teach the classic style anymore. she said that nobody see's purpose in ppainting very reallistic. my opinion is that the opposite is true. design academy is totally different by the way. its industrial design. they teach you about MAKING STUFF. and (almost) no painting as far as i have seen. so you will be making days at the work table making stuff. not much drawing in a 'arty' way. more in a 'design' way.

    Great tips about the schools klassieke academie groningen and art academy antwerpen. i am thinking about taking classes there.

    There are some things i am confused about in 'the industry' and the 'type' of artists there are. Because i see 2 type of concept artists: industrial design artists (feng zhu, ryan church, scott roberston) and art academy artist (carlos huante, ian mccaig, san jun)

    Now i think the big difference is that concept artist with industrial design as background, they learn much more about design. and for me, i really want to learn about design and art. so drawing man made stuff, like feng zhu or ryan church, and less characters..

    now i dont think that these things i can learn at an art school like in antwerpen or groningen. Well, if i go to an industrial design school they wont teach me ANYTHING about art, composition, colors and mood and so on.. thats for sure.. i will end up making stuff at the worktable, wich is not where i am after. so what should i do?

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    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93952

    The main difference between the Wackers Academie and the Klassieke Academie is that you can only enter the KA after succeeding an entrance examination. Furthermore there are examinations after each year, there is no freedom in choosing programs or tutors and tou have to do a lot of homework.

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