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    Newman posted a page from Sky Doll, after the Shirow and Manara stuff, by artist Alessandro Barbucci and writer/colorist Barbara Canepa. I have a friend who's an enormous fan of theirs.

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    damn,no wonder i liked the first issue of w.i.t.c.h. - gorgeous style he's got.
    *goes search for skydoll*

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    if you guys want skydoll search for it on rapidshare. There is an entire collection there. Translated into English too.

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    anybody know who did this?
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/att...1&d=1178870964

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    edit - never mind; it's from skydoll by alessandro barbucci and barbara canepa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnifex View Post
    damn,no wonder i liked the first issue of w.i.t.c.h. - gorgeous style he's got.
    *goes search for skydoll*
    His sketchblog is right here - if you wanted to take a look http://federicobertolucci.blogspot.com/

    Erotica / Porn / smut ,such a fine line - it all depends on the person whos viewing it - I guess the whole purpose of whatever picture was created , rests with the person who made it. If I drew erotica , some can view it as porn -b ut i meant it to be erotica ,so ,what does it make it. ?

    I'm not looking for an answer to that question by the way - long and short of it is ; isint porn in the eye of the beholder? lol


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    Just going to thorw my two sense in here...

    art / porn

    Art defination from Wikiepdia

    "Art is that which is made with the intention of stimulating the human senses as well as the human mind and/or spirit."


    Porn defination from Wikiepdia


    "Pornography, sometimes shortened to porn or porno, is, in its broadest state, the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal and/or sexual relief. It is similar to erotica, which is the use of sexually-arousing imagery used mainly for artistic purpose"

    Now this seems to be the point of agruement is your picture
    A) the explicit representation of the human body
    B) the use of sexually-arousing imagery used mainly for artistic purpose

    There seems to be a fine line there you could argue that porn is an art form, its a form of expressionism, ok it may not a basic carnal form of expressionism, there is still an artist thought behind how to convey certain emotions granted when watching a prono I don't deconstruct it and think about its artistic merit.

    In many ways I am reminded of lenny Bruce's routine stand up routine the marquee

    "You can't put tits and ass on the marquee!...Why not?...Because it's dirty and vulgar, that's why not!... Titties are dirty and vulgar?...Okay, we'll compromise. How about Latin? Gluteus maximus, pectoralis majors nightly...That's alright, that's clean, class with ass, I'll buy it...Clean to you, schmuck, but dirty to the Latins!"


    I did not find your picture arousing... so I guess it would be classed as erotica by me, I think you did a nude sketch where it looks like the woman is touching herself ironically if you moved her hand less than two inchs away from where it was it could not be classed as dirty.

    Your are 19 it is natural to express sexual thoughts I used to write poetry at 16 and 17 that was highly pornographic granted I used obscure references so it was not direct.

    I think there is this bizarre knee jerk reaction that our natural urges will destroy our morality yet repressing them is perfectly healthy and well adjusted.

    Its weird our parents don't want to think of their young ones growing up and starting to have these sexual thoughts and visa versa we don't want to think of the fact that our parents might do it or think about it.... I think that was what fuelled your father's reaction.

    If you want to make an artistic statment about sex or with sexual imagery don't be so direct
    it will have stronger impact, make for a more interesting image and people will not be able to give such strong knee jerk reactions when people arty full[y on porn images its usually followed by a yawn or cry of out rage.

    "If a girlie book was all that was left as a document of this generation, an anthropologist of the year 2965 would logically assume that this culture seemed to be identified with the religious concept: “God made my body and if it is dirty, then the imperfection lies with the Manufacturer, not the product.
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    well, if it were detailed more I would call it porn, but it id say its more art.

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    Can't it be both?

    Let's call it, artporn, or pornart... P'nart

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    artnography?

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    I thought this topic was dead huh thanks forthe input guys .
    Some erotic I found.



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    for a moment i thought mucha,but this is also brilliant. some serious inspiration,i gotta say.
    insane level of detail.

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    Finally found some Indian erotica(kamasutra)




    some more stuff here

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    The proportions are all off and I don't think legs can bend that way. Terrible, just terrible.

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    Hey, should I post some scans of dissected phallus drawings from one of my med textbooks? It's genitalia, right?


    Those Shirow images scare me. I mean, really scare me, and I don't scare easily. They just look like weirdo torture/rape to me. I'm sorry if that rains on anyone's parade, but...eeeeh.

    Also why so many pictures of girls? I need some beefcake here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunger View Post
    In the sketch you posted I see a girl masturbating. Now that may not be the idea you were going for, but that is what I see. And for me that is porn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iolarnula View Post
    Those Shirow images scare me.
    yeah, they're pretty grim... i posted them more because i was so suprised to find out that the artist who created two of my favourite comics (appleseed and GITS) also drew this sort of stuff, rather than because i thought they were sexy or good art ...or maybe i'm just lying! s'pose it's a japanese thing...

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    i believe it is porn but some say it is art....but where is the art.

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    first of all...

    dear lord my eyes are burning. i don't think i've seen this much snatch in a long time.

    second of all...

    it's porn.

    third...

    it's sexual frustration put down on paper. you need to get laid man.

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    it's sexual frustration put down on paper. you need to get laid man.
    didnt see that coming...sexual frustration?? tell me how you got to that conclusion. I would like to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhanu View Post
    didnt see that coming...sexual frustration?? tell me how you got to that conclusion. I would like to know.
    You’re 19 and living with your parents. That’s the very definition of sexual frustration. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

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    You’re 19 and living with your parents. That’s the very definition of sexual frustration. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
    ERr thats the way things are in India. And its not about that , I just hate it when people try to dissect something like this.trying to prove themselves are connoiseurs or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhanu View Post
    ERr thats the way things are in India. And its not about that , I just hate it when people try to dissect something like this.trying to prove themselves are connoiseurs or something.
    That's the way things are in a lot of places. It's completely normal to be "sexually frustrated" as a young adult. Pornography is also a perfectly normal way of relieving that frustration. Nobody is posing as a connoiseur.

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    besides the obvious which seedling pointed out (you're at the age where your hormones are raging, AND you live with your parents), look at your drawing itself. drawn with dark shading and thick lines like you were pressing pretty hard with the pencil when you drew it. screams "sexually frustrated" to me.

    not claiming to be a "connoiseur", just stating the obvious

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    bhanu,, I hope you take this psychological analysis with a grain of salt... I'm shaking my head reading those...extremely irresponsible to write things like this not knowing the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobChic View Post
    look at your drawing itself. drawn with dark shading and thick lines
    oh nooes, not the dreaded dark shading and thick lines!!!

    NoobChick,

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    it's not a psychological analysis either. it's what I interpret from his drawing. dark shading and thick lines, indicating frustration or pent up energy. it's like he drew it with a clenched fist. just as a drawing with a lot of blended yellows and reds might indicate a feeling of warmth. a lot of concentration on the woman's face but not much detail in her nether regions (indicating the artist doesn't have a lot of experience with this area). i could have told you this is drawn by sexually opressed male without the artist telling me who he was. he confirmed it by telling his age, the fact that he lives with his parents, and "that's how it is in india" meaning he's most likely inhibited by cultural restrictions on sex.

    and it's not irresponsible to post your opionion on wether it's art or porn when someone posts their drawing and asks "IS THIS ART OR PORN?".

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    My dear, yes you have a right to voice your opinion and from your last post I do believe that you are sincere and really think that how it is.
    It doesn't make it true though. And sometimes you need to think before writing your thoughts, trying to be careful and not to harm anyone because words have a certain power....Sexual frustration is just one of possible explanation and there are many others no less possible. Like erotism for example... interest to the other gender, excitement from doing something which is taboo, and just simple for drawing sake.

    No, I don't believe you can tell a mood of the person when looking at his lines when you didn't know the person and didn't spend a considerable time observing his manner to draw. I believe you can guess his mood with some pretty good possibility when you studied his hand drawing long and careful enough in his different periods of life, observing this person, his reaction and comparing his art with this ... and it is still not 100%. I don't believe you know him that well .

    Your words are harmful in my opinion. not knowing him and not knowing his circumstances and temperament and still climbing in very private intimate area with such bold and baseless statements.. well it is ridiculous and irresponsible in my opinion. Don't you know that you can grow all kind of complexes in any person pretty easily... it is like nothing doing... you can grow them and destroy them and turn them this way and that way ... playing like a cat with a mouse... people are utterly vulnerable in this. You need to be mature saying opinion like this.

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    a lot of concentration on the woman's face but not much detail in her nether regions (indicating the artist doesn't have a lot of experience with this area).
    Not much detail in the feet either, what does that tell you, that he's unfamiliar with feet?

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    whatever, i'm not going to argue as this is getting silly. but i've seen far more "harmful" words posted about other people's artwork and nobody jumps all over them.

    still, the artist has yet to deny that he drew the pic in a moment of sexual frustration, so most likely i would say that my interpretation is correct. so bite me.

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