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    Light and Color Experiments >>Updated.3.20<<

    Hello all, I'm starting a new thread dedicated specifically to light and color experiments (obviously the reason for the title). I can paint pretty well traditionally,so I've recently been messing around with applying my strokes and color mixing techniques that I use with real paint digitally. I'm starting to get the hang of it...I think

    Here's a guy I painted using photoshop, painting at 25% the size, about an hour, ref used.
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    I need to be more adventurous with my color.... but here's the original.


    I think I like the b&w version better. I was actually surprised how well my values worked after I painted using color...
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    here's what they look like at 100%
    I love how messy they look!
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    I'll try and update this bad boy often.



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    try using a lot of complimentary colors. how about just using a big brush?

    I'm looking for work!
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    great work Oskar, love the painterly work.
    If you have painter on your machine, i can recommend you to use -pen, thick and thin, using 80 percent opacity or so. Its very intuitive and great for this type of work.
    Im subscribing to this, can wait to see more =)

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    i love the nose, but the lips look off in placement and in color. they just dont mix with the rest of the piece as well.

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    nice experiment!
    looking forward to see what you come up with!

    please share your thoughts and stuff about them, it would be appriciated!

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    More, more, more...
    It's nice to see you around here again.

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    Shidoken Very good suggestion, for some reason I hadn't thought about that.

    AlexC I have painter and I'll be working in painter as well. Thanks for the tip.

    adam Yeah I know about the mouth. I wasn't to concerned about the drawing itself at first and it shows. I should be careful with that. I think I just might go back in and fix that lip.

    Hurri Thanks for checkin in. Every time you update your sketchbook I try and stop by. Great work btw.

    As far as thoughts go....hmmm....well one thing I figured out in photoshop is that using the regular round brush doesnt work for me right off the bat, cuz I have the option to reduce the pressure and therefore I get these transparent unconfident strokes that dont look right. So after a lot of messing around with brushes, I simply just tweaked the round brush and made it 100% opaque, the pressure is set to size, and I added wet edges to them.
    This forces me to put the correct stroke with confidence(Which is essential for me). I figured out with this technique that if I reduce the opacity to something like 80% or so, I get these great transparent variating colors and textures that I tend to get with Acrylics.
    One other thing I have to keep reminding myself to do is to put down the strokes confidently, whether I think its the correct stroke or not. If I dont, the edges look messy. (guilty... )

    Now about color. I work with HSB in my color window because it lets me be more accurate with my color choices. I was reading a book the other day on color and it said to put color in your shadows, that way there is interest in your finished painting. So I tried that with this exercise. By doing this I figured that once I get the correct value I want per stroke I can just saturate that sucker and still put it down and in the end I get a better result than if I would have gone the safe route and chosen a less desaturated color (did that make sense?).

    Another thing I constantly remind myself to do is to put a lot of saturation of color in the transition from core shadow to light. That section usually has more texture and color so I exaggerate it.
    Something I tried on another piece, is using a lot of textured brushes set to different opacities in the beginning just to get color and texture variation right off the bat. A lot of the time when I'm painting and "mixing color" it can be difficult to choose the right color from the swatches palette (so i rarely use it). By putting a lot of colors and texture down in the beginning I can simply pick from those colors as I paint and tweak as I go using the trusty HSB color window. Something else I'll try is to paint one color in section(lets say the red of the nose) and right next to it when I paint my next stroke with its appropriate value I'll completely choose a different color(lets say under the nose)or at least a color that exaggerates what's already there. I'm pretty surprised at how often it works, because color doesn't matter as long as value works.

    Wow, that was long!

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    Jens: You're absolutely right. I'll work on it, but the one thing I'm actually kind of proud of is that those weird colors worked. Well at least they worked as far as value goes. But you're right they dont look so great. I'll work on it...

    Just so I dont post without a pic, here's something I did with acrylic (and a little bit of ink) on watercolor paper.
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    Nos vemos despues

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    "Nos vemos despues" = "We see ourselves later"?

    I like the colour use on the monk. Oversaturated? Perhaps, but you said you wanted to be more adventurous, right?

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    Wow I.Was.Ink, I really like your work, that last painting is awesome! Makes me wanna try some traditional paints too.. feel pretty insecure about it tho. Keep it up man

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    this last one is just incredible. lovely colors. Will def. follow this book!
    cheers
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    Orbital: It means we'll see each other later. It's like sayin cya later in spanish.

    Coen:Thanks. You should give it a try. If you never try you'll never know if you can do it or not. If you need any tips or if u got any questions. Let me know.

    Tigermilk:Thanks

    Here's another one. Decided to use different brushes for different surfaces ( I love me some texture!!!)

    About an hour and a half, ref used, worked at 25% the original size.
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    closeup @ 100%
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    thanks for stoppin by
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    Damn that's an awesome piece. Love the atmosphere. I don't really have any particular questions, I'm just not sure how to get started cause I don't know much about it, don't even know what medium I will use (oils, gouache, whatever). Maybe I should take a look at a book on the subject or something.

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    Here's another experiment. This time concentrating on getting the color "right".
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    *rant*
    One thing that bugs me a lot is that images will look fine in photoshop, but when I save them to jpegs(and show them on the net) the color gets all out of wack. I was reading on this and its due to the embedded color profiles set in photoshop, the bad thing about it is that web browsers don't support this feature (embedded color profiles) so I have to constantly keep messing with the pic to get the colors to come close. But they're still not the same.....which is irritating. pld: Anyone know how to fix this?
    /rant

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    wooohooooo!!! excelent quickies! keep working you´ll be unstopable!

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    Nice stuff ! Love the acrylic portrait a lot. Very inspiring.

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    Jaku, Thirdeye: Thanks

    Here's another one. Going for fluidity and motion.
    (Inspired by Zhuzhu)

    *****EDIT: Man, the pic that was here was horrible! I had to take it out.
    I did a new one to prove to myself I could do better. Thankfully I did it.....whooo...*****
    (scroll down to see the new pic)

    I'll do at least another one today and post that sucker....man...these are addicting!!! The best part is that I'm learning A LOT FROM DOING THESE!!!

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    great paints!
    thanks for the long reply hehe, nice to read your thoughts!

    that grayscale portrait is good, i love that skin texture, like cobweb (i need to make one hehe)

    great stuff and the motion zhuzhu paint is very nice, i love the backlight hehe..her face is very flat though and that green doesn't really fit (imho)

    i need to do some more experiments too...thanks for the push!

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    Hurri:Yeah, I gotta rework that face...it's bugging me. I decided to throw the green in there to kind of put an unsuspecting color in there.

    So, here's a new one. I had so much fun working with the different layer options in photoshop.

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    see ya!
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    Wow, you've got some awesome stuff in here. I like your idea of adventurous colors, that alone will make this a very interesting sketchbook.

    You mentioned about how there should be colors in the shadows (i.e. shadows aren't black), in addition to that I'd also add "put color in your light" (i.e. light isn't white). I've noticed in some of your images you use white highlights, well I say if you're gonna be adventurous then go ahead and splash some color in there too!

    Also, as regards saturated colors, something I learned from messing with color theory is that when converted into greyscale yellow (the warm color) has the lightest value while blue (it's cold compliment) has the darkest value. So it's easier to get away with high amounts of saturation in the shadows if you stick around blue (or yellow for highlights), the further you stray from that model the more you'll have to desaturate the colors to prevent your values from getting screwed up.

    As for your color problem when compressing into a jpeg... Well I typically work in CMYK, which has its own host of color problems. When I save my files as jpegs, first I flatten all of my layers, then I convert from CMYK to RGB, next I resize the file, and finally I save as a jpeg at about "8" quality.

    Something I've noticed is that if I don't flatten my layers first, then my colors get screwed up. I dunno if that will help your problem, but I figure it's worth a try.

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    Yay new thread! Total awesome here. Really impressed with the fish paint, and who can't help but be inspired by Zhuzhu? No crits here, just respect. Cheers.

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    Those B&W portraits are great! Keep these up.

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    Couldn't sleep so I did a new one to replace the horrible job I did on the girl wearing the pink dress. This one is much better imo.
    Inspired by Zhuzhu's technique.

    I'll reply tomorrow, must sleep now.....zzzz....zzzz
    (I'll also fix some of those strokes on that leg. They're kind of buggin me)
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    great job, love your technique!
    the portrait above reminds me of this http://www.gcisnet.net/~dakrat44/images/retards.jpg
    the last one is pure class
    keep this thing updated

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    From black & white to eye-bite colours - fantastic!

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    Nice new thread. The lighting experiments are turning out really cool. I like the facial portraits the best they show the most character and expression through the lighting. Cant wait to see more of these. Ill have to check through your first SB as well.

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    Anid Maro: Very good suggestion! I'll keep that in mind

    Zord, Lonewolf:Thanks fellas

    AlexC: you came back...thanks for stoppin by and leaving that creepy picture. I totally see what you mean.

    Orbital:Thanks, I'm trying...

    Envisor:I'll have to do some more portraits. They're really fun.
    Btw, my first sketchbook wasn't as cool. It was just stuff and assignments I had when I went to art center.

    Off I go to work on another study. Catch you guys later...

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    Dooood, you have a sketchbook and you never told me?!
    Love the colors on this last one, legs feel a bit too much like the fabric perhaps? throws me off a bit.

    I think the cure to your embedded color profile might be in here, if not start up a new thread in the PS section.
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...ighlight=embed

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    latest update has too strong lines all over, zhuzhu has more sweeping lines and i think when you went againt the length of the arm with your brushwork it creates too much "spin" in the painting.
    And the cloth fold near the thigh plus the fold that leads the eye there kinda gets screwed by that blob of paint on the thigh itself.

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/att...1&d=1174010900
    VERY cool! could benefit from som kneecap punctionation and color shift.
    damn sexy though!

    cheers and now i'm off to play in PS


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    hurray for light and color experiments keep at it..theyre looking good!
    as for your jpg color changing problem- the same thing happens to me when i upload, and everyone seems to have a different answer on how to fix it >_>;

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    i like what i'm seeing here oskar. all of this experimentation is very inspiring. thanks!

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