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Thread: C.O.W. - #079: Lava Swimmer - Voting!

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    Cow C.O.W. - #079: Lava Swimmer - Voting!

    ROUND #079 VOTING

    Topic: Lava Swimmer

    Deadline for the voting: Tuesday, 20th March 2007

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    artist: Woodlandwalker
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    Hundreds of years ago Island culture believed that when the ground shook, and a volcano was about to erupt it was due to the gods being angry. The only way to save their villages from certain doom was to sacrifice their own into the fiery pits below. Seeing the fire gods made one go mad… Priests would come back babbling inane words, of living lava, writhing unspeakable masses within the magma… little has ever been found to dispute these godlike creatures.
    Until recently that is… for yet again what seemed like a cyclic event, several hundred years have passed and the ground shakes once again… old timers look to the young for sacrifices, yet these newer generations are more scientific minded than ever and wish to explain what is happening.
    This is what has been gathered so far…
    Glimpses are gained, and instruments record but due to the intense heat one is not actually able to get close enough to study what in fact is a new species, one able to withstand the incredible heat and pressure under the earth. It would seem that these newly discovered lava swimmers stay deep within until it is time to mate… bashing and breaking at fault lines until they have reached the surface in what is to become a fiery cataclysmic mating ritual.
    The cooler temperatures towards the surface are apparently necessary for proper incubation of eggs that have been left behind… the whole even lasts no more than a month, and then things are once again calm. With the young apparently already hatched and following their parents into the intense world below.
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    artist: JAG.
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    For a creature to survive such intense heat, its outer surface/shell must withstand great temperatures
    and protect the creature's internal organs. It must also allow the creature to move through dense
    fluid. The creature most likely has very low to minimal internal heat, which is why it needs to be in
    a highly-thermal environment. The shell filters the amount of heat that reaches the internal organs,
    always keeping it at a safe temperature.
    There aren't many sources of food near lava, so the Lava Swimmer has to survive by other means.
    The Lava Swimmer feeds on the solidified lava at the banks of the lava flow. It's rich in minerals the
    creature uses to repair and strengthen its shell.
    Living in lava, and only surfacing to feed, the Lava Swimmer doesn't have much use for eye sight. It
    has no eyes at all, but it doesn't need them. the Lava Swimmer's main function is to regulate the lava's
    flow and the volume of the lava pool by burrowing channels for the lava to flow. Only the adults do this.
    A lava swimmer doesn't do anything but feed in its youth. Young lava swimmers just float near the banks
    almost motionless, constantly feeding and growing. Once it has reached an adequate size and its tentacles
    have developed, it can then maneuver itself around through the lava. It begins to burrow almost instantly,
    which allows it to control its environment and reach full maturity. It then lays eggs near the banks and
    the cycle is repeated.
    At the end of its life cycle, a lava swimmer will burrow deeply into the volcano and set itself at the
    end of its hole to begin decomposition. It dissolves its shell, causing a build up of pressure which causes
    a minor eruption. The eruption launches the carcass out of the volcano and sailing into the sky. We know
    this phenomenon as 'fire bombs'.
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    artist: Tommoy
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    The lava swimmer lives in the deeper earthlayers. Only when there is an eruption they come at the surface. Then they love to surf on the downrolling lavastream. Once down they find there way back into the earth.
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    artist: Chuck,mate.
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    Once a freak of nature, this evolutionary mistake, now thrive at volcano pits and lairs, gliding across seas of lava. 90% of its body is a solid rock alloy, combined with another 10% of pure methane gas; this creature is unbothered by the 1000 degrees of hit of its surrounding habitat. Reshaping, rearranging constantly, this lava swimmer reproduce at the depths of the earth`s core, making its way to the surface every year for the soul purpose of mating then dying as its fiery river route cools down and hardens.
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    artist: Carnifex
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    A mix between fish and insect,born blind,approx. 3-5 meters long. The hard chitin armor guards against the hight temperature,with cooling bags located directly beneath. It has no eyes because of said temperature. Instead it uses the sensitive antennae on top of the head to catch vibrations in the air,locating birds and other creatures above the lava,and,in rare cases, creatures in the lava. Usually a slow creature,as not to burn too much energy,but quick when it strikes. Occasionally known to eat mineral-rich rocks to gain energy.
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    artist: jfwalls
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    Fire Shark
    The Fire shark is actually a creature similar to a dolphin. They are very intelligent, yet are completely blind in the traditional sense. They navigate by detecting differences in heat within the magma, and absorb minerals through their skin for nourishment. The Sulwarii have domesticated them, and use them as transportation on the Sea of Fire.
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    artist: Stephan_R
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    The "Blushing Ash Rat" is at home in rivers of molten lava. The majority of its life is spent on the top of dried volcanic rock scrounging for prey that has fallen to the intense heat of the area, but a few times a year they will dive into the hardened crust of a volcano basin to melt the crusty outer skin off of their beautiful bodies. This process sterilizes and beautifies their skin which is essential to mating.
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    artist: Kasen Kato
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    This is an ancient speicies of snake that has adapted to the harsh conditions of volcanic lava.......Living on an island created by underwater volcanoes this snake had experianced many eruptions and the constant flow of lava.....After many millions of years its scales evolved into a hard shell composed of a material much like your finger nail (just much larger, stronger, and heat resistant).....This shell moves up and down propelling it forward like the scales on a snaked stomach, making the motion of a squid as it jets along in the molten rock....Its inner skin changed into a soft foamy gell (like a jellyfish) that absorbs the heat into its body giving of a molten glow.......Its beak like mouth (similar to a scoop on a construction vehicle) is used to pick up smaller magma creatures hidden in the rocky volcanic floor.....
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    artist: Vorace
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    The beast is producing intense cold to resist the heat of the magma, and when it jump out of the magma it temporarly freeze
    --Ok now, who can tell me what is the fabulous beast living into the core?
    --Me miss, me me me me! It’s the Lava Swimmer ! Also called the fire whale ! It lives into the magma and eat the melted rocks. It survives because of the intense cold it produces to resist the heat. When it jumps out of the lava, it temporary freezes ! Its reproduction cycle is very slow it…
    --No little Jimmy, no no and no, completely false. I asked *what* is the whale. It’s a mammal of the cetacean family… you’re so noob little Jimmy.
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    artist: VirtualSurreality
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    On the second moon of planet 1029-A, gravitational forces from the largest moon and the planet itself have constantly pushed and pulled it in every direction. The end result of these massive forces on this tiny moon has been a constant rupturing of the fragile surface. These ruptures continuously pour the molten core of this satellite out into seas of lava. Among the many species that have thrived on this volatile moon, the Axe Glider has evolved some interesting specialized skills. With the Mag Crab as part of its diet, the Axe Glider is believed to use the residual magnetic properties of these crabs to create a natural "magnetic resonance imaging" effect. Used as a dolphin would use its echolocation, the Axe Glider is capable of literally seeing through the lava. With powerful flippers, it propels itself over 100 ft into the air in the substantially lower gravity of its habitat. Gliding down, it uses its MRI abilities to peer through the thick lava and find the next meal. Once found, the Axe Glider goes into a controlled dive. Using the axe shaped head to slice through the lava towards its intended prey. Though it is called the Axe Glider, this creature spends the majority of its time swimming and playing around with others of its kind.
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    artist: cannibalcandy
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    The Lava Swimmer is a solitary beast of the deep. Far below active volcanos it slowly moves through the molten lava filtering clouds of tasty mineral from the burning rock with it's massive net like mouth. It's moves by way of a long undulating frill around it's body. It is bioluminescent but reverse to what we've seen in the trenches of the ocean, in that the brightest area is below it, so from above, it glows and blends in with it's surroundings. It uses it's long glowing 'lure' to attract a male of it's species, which is much slimmer and smaller in stature. Little is known of the Lava Swimmer's mating habits, young, or behaviour.
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    artist: VegasMike
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    We had no idea that the core of our planet could sustain its own ecosystem...The Lava Swimmer is the apex hunter in the core of most earthlike planets. It hunts whale like creatures of pure light and energy to sustain it own internal core. The activity of the Lava Swimmers often triggers volcanic eruptions on the planets surface. No one knows how life can exist in such harsh conditions, but as Ian Malcom said in Jurassic Park..."Life will find a way." Man I suck at writing these things! Oh well just havin fun...
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    artist: njoo
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    "Nothing should survive in such high temperature environment, however the internal structure of this mystic beast is beyond the understanding of men. While all creature must consume food to create energy to survive, the beast feeds on perhaps the purest form of energy, heat. Similar to plants, which require sunshine and water, in a mythical world, the closest thing that is a combination of the sun and water, would perhaps be lava. It's internal organs, if they can even be called organs, transform the heat into energy to "power" up this unique creature. The Lava swimmer is a slow moving beast, and swims as if it has lost its soul. Where did it come from, why did it choose to exist in such lonely world where no other lifeform exist... that's a story for another time..."
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    artist: Cloister
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    The Agnithorian
    In 2450 deep space explorations lead to the discovery of the phenomena Lava Clouds, later named Space Furies. At first found floating freely in the dark heavens of Alpha Serax System, the huge clouds of magma gases and lava meteorites were thought to hold nothing of interest. But as unmanned space probes ventured deeper into these vast infernos, readings of enormous creatures emerged. NASA artist tried for decades to visualise these extreme life-forms, from the data gathered. Critics however, said that the vivid concepts of these artists were on the verge of the ridiculous, and that no such life-form could possibly swim about in the fiery lavas of space. The Agnithorian attacks had then yet to commence.
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    artist: ikuru
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    Agartha is a legendary city that is said to reside in the Earth's core.
    The Magma Swimmer (Lava Swimmer) is much like Agartha considered a myth by sience, but is well documented in Islandic sagas as the Jordur meaning "from the depths of earth". It lives near the core of the planet and feeds on Magma*.
    *Magma is a complex high-temperature fluid substance. Temperatures of most magmas are in the range 700°C to 1300°C.
    The Magma is then filtered through this creature and turned in to subatomic particles.
    This amazing creature said to be older than the earth alone... That is, it developed in the past when the earth was still a star without a crust.
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    artist: trickmonkey
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    As the earth's atmosphere heats up many creatures have learnt to survive the rising temperatures but none so much as the Lava Swimmer which adapted from crustaceans found around hot vents deep in the ocean. It has an extremely thick shell to survive such high temperatures. Lava Swimmers have no predators as nothing else bigger than it can survive the perilous conditions. They eat the hardened and cooling lava at the edge of the flow that has begun to release it's nutrients.
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    artist: Lighty
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    artist: ChaoticKnight
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    These draconic creatures inhabit every volcano in the world. They hide deep in the lava so as never to be discovered. Every time a volcano erupts, hundreds of these creatures gather together and swim around at increasing speeds in circles until the force causes the lava to overflow and even spew from the mountain.
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    artist: gnahz
    concept:

    Swim in the depth of the magma, rarely surfaced to the surface. It have a thin layer of membrane for protection so that it will not get scorch. Feed on the heat of the lava for energy.
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    artist: D-BAKER
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    artist: scorge
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    Kolympopyrobolosauris
    Late Cretacious.
    North America.
    The Pteranadons fly into the steamy depths of the fledgling volcanoes that have sprouted from the earth, the heat of the flowing magma rapidly warming their cold blooded bodies and providing the updraft they need to achive dizzying heights to search for prey. But there is a threat greater than the fiery liquid they tempt everyday.
    A young Kolympopyrobolosauris (Kolympo-pyrobolo-sauris)witnesses her mother in the act of hunting the only prey that is foolish enough to venture into this the most treacherous and unforgiving environment. This creature has no fossil record as its body including its bones are instantly dissolved by the lava as soon as it dies. Very little is known about this elusive and impossible to track animal, including where it came from. And while its discovery is very recent, there are already multiple theories as to how it survived the unsurvivable.
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    artist: poinko
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    artist: Ham-e
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    There is only one thing that could survive the smoldering lava in an active volcano and that is a Fire Demon! This Fire Demon swims around in the lava which fills his home, the volcano. Now and then he jumps out of the volcano to scare the villagers and trick them into thinking that the volcano is on the verge of erupting. The villagers then take a sacrifice and throw it into the volcano to appease what they think is the volcano god. The Lava swimmer or Fire Demon feeds off of the spirits of these sacrificial offerings. The Fire Demon himself is being slowly consumed by the heat of the lava but he prolongs his life with a steady diet of fresh spirits.
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    artist: ATAnderson
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    Discovered in the late 22nd Century by the Underground Expedition Collective, the Basalt Dragons seem to get larger, the closer to the planet core they live.
    Although appearing to have all the standard features (eyes, mouth, nose etc) the food source of these creatures is still undetermined. It seems they live purely on energy gained by the lava and heat of it's surrounding. It appears they can only survive near the lava and in such heat. Any attempts to remove a Basalt Dragon from its habitat resulted in it dying before reaching its destination.
    As the Basalt Dragon exists both in and out of lava, it gradually builds up an outer shell of rock built up from lava cooling down before it falls of the creature, turning into rock which does break down over time but still accumulates making the older creatures easier to distinguish.
    Regular research and surveillance of these creatures is made almost impossible due to the extreme risk environment they live in.
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    artist: yoitisi
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    Laduvian Turtle
    This creature might look like an ordinary turtle from earth after which it is named, but the only resamblance can be found in the fact that it has a hard outer shell and four flippers. The Laduvian Turtle has made a living in the intense heat on the 2nd moon of the planet Ndrona and can be found near its many lava-lakes.
    Little is known about this creature because the harsh and for humans toxic environment makes a thorough study of it almost impossible. Scientists have however established some facts about its metabolism by autopsy.
    The Laduvian Turtles' main food source is the ash and molten rock near volcano eruptions, from which it filters the minerals. To 'digest' this the turtle needs the heat of the lava, which is the reason it swims around in the lava, a feat that still astonishes most scientists since it was believed that no creature of a size bigger than bacteria could survive such heat.
    The turtle deals with the heat in a clever way: part of the minerals it eats get turned into the cristals that grow on its back. The cristal is basically a giant heat radiator; scientists found the cristals conduct heat 3 times better than any metal. The air above the lava lakes is considerably lower than the lava itself, and although it still is very hot, the Laduvian turtle somehow manages to stay alive this way. The cristal contains bloodvessels and by regulating the amount of blood it pumps into them the turtle dampens out any temperature fluctuations.
    The shell is its main protetion against the heat however. Inevatably part of it melts when it enters the lava lakes but as it crawls on land again the molten parts solidify and the shell becomes whole again. It also protects it against the superheated gas that is bubbling to the surface of the lava-lakes.
    The crystals on its back serve a second purpose: during the mating season the turtles will burn a mixture of the minerals inside, which causes the cristals on its back to light up in the most fantastic colors. Lately however, shells of the back of this amazing creature have mysteriously turned up on the black market, because its cristals make for unique and exotic lamps which can be sold for large amount of money. Hunting these creatures is illegal by intergallactic law.
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    artist: Marco Mazzoni
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    artist: Spitch
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    In Island, there was an old legend. The lava swimmers, huge whales, were swimming in the inner ground ocean. Like any other whales, they had to breathe. So, from time to time, they smashed up the earth's crust, spraying lava (or hot water) from their fan. This was supposed to be the origin of volcanos and geysers.
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    artist: dragon4lunch
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    Because a creature that can withstand a heat that would even melt metal is unlikely, I decided to go all out fantasy! I swallows and spews out lava!
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    artist: TomCardin
    concept:

    Lava Dragons are a rare denizen of the plane of fire, though some may be found dwelling in the plane of earth and a very select few can be found in molten volcanic hearts of several other worlds. Left to their own devices, Lava Dragons are perfectly happy just swimming about in molten rock and metals. Though they are not predatory dragons by nature, the few known to live within volcanos will stir things up from time to time to encourage locals to chuck sacrifices of tasty morsels into the caldera.
    Shown here is the Lava Dragon King, Magmathrax. On his massive chin he bears many swirling carvings, each made by a different female mate. These are the sigils of the world serpent and signs of dragon royalty among the Lava Dragons.
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    artist: -Ark-
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    artist: Genghis Kwan
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    It swims deep inside earth's crust where lava flows. Once awhile it swims to the ocean through the cracks on the crust to prey on deep sea animal and release the lava from its volcano like shell.
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    artist: BlkCelebration
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    Queretaro: These giant beasties live in the underworld where lava takes up 80% of the terrain. The Queretaro is the pet of choice for the underworld's king. They are loyal as can be, and will remain by the king's side till the day they die.
    Most creatures in the underworld try to avoid the molten lava rivers but not the Queretaro. They are taken to the king's personal Queretaro lava pool every day. Their thick skin is the hardest known to any creature, this also serves in the king's protection. The lava's extreme temperature serves as therapy for the Queretaro's body. Walking around with all that weight to carry can be tough on their legs.
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    artist: Nisse-Bula
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    http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/376/magmaswimmerlw6.jpg
    The Lava swimmer is a large animal which spends it's entire life in the magma sea. It's closest relative seems to be the whale, but since it lives in magma scientist have only been able to take small tissue samples.
    The oldest Lava swimmer ever sampled was about 320 years old. The high age of these animals is most likely a result of the germ free enviroment and believed ability to absorb pure energy from the magma.
    Observations indicates that it's a very playful and mellow animal.
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    artist: amer-nazri
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    The fluorescent Butterfly Eel is a gigantic creature that resides within the depths of magma beneath the earth. It captures particles of oxygen by sticking its end above the flowing lava, and by wiggling its tail, to allow sufficient gas exchange to take place, before swimming down again. Its colourful skin is shiny and fluorescent, and during the mating seasons, it swims onto the surface of the lava, and arches its tail into the air to show off to the watching female the colourful patterns which line its length. Its length spans 10 - 15 metres.
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    artist: Death
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    Recently found in an ill state, or so it would appear, off the coast of italy, on a volcanic island known by some as Stromboli. It was found within close proximity to a lava flow, In what appeared to be a dilerious state. After a small duration, it is said to have shed it's hardened outer layer and, in a liquid form, the likes of which resembled molten lava, found it's way back to the lava flow. It has been dubbed by some, "Anguilla Rovente".
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    artist: Borax
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    Croguarm
    The croguarm has no eyes with with to see as they would be far to sensitive. It does have sensory pads on face as well as receptive feelers sprouting from along the back and down through the tail (these can me pulled back into body at any time) and a small patch on its chin. It uses these to locate itself in the lava, also to find food and outcroppings and caves in wich to hole up for months at a time.
    Lives long periods crammed up under the earths crust, eating coal andother minerals which then form red diamonds in a crown in its skull and over its body as well as imbedded within its crust like skin to help protect itself. Ocasionally it will venture forth to find other creatures that thrive in the magma channels to consume as it needs the protien during the mating seasons in order to gernerate reproductive sperm.
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    not accepted entries:

    All WIPs/sketches/not finished yet/placeholder/yaddayaddayadda images...


    monkyd, Zhiwang, CeeJay, Flat, rayk, snews, BohemainChaos
    This is a weekly activity, please take time to polish your works as a finished artwork not a sketch or rushed image.

    Lewis, Peg, Charlie_2.0, KaWaii
    Usuall a description is not needed if the image is self-explaining, but there was no obvious "function" of the creature, which of its special design needs an explanation for the viewer.

    Pizza Explosion
    The topic was referring to creatures which are swimming in lava...nice idea and entry though

    BlackJackWhite, lifeonthesofa, mattbyng, Aerinl, Azathoth, WhtTigress, Pete27
    Sorry, but your entry just didn't pass the required quality level.

    rawwad
    Sorry, but i so not accept spheres as an entry for a creature design activity.




    close to rejection:

    amer-nazri, Kasen Kato, trickmonkey
    For the next time try to work out more details and polish your entry.





    special note:

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    I am trying to pull COW back to the quality level it had once...thus i will watch for the quality of an entry much stricter than before.

    That is why we have so many rejections this time. Don't be frustrated, it's all for the sake of COW and your art
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    Another great tutorial from another great artist...this time presented by:
    njoo

    go here for the wisdom
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=92331
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    i vote for Cloister cause i like the angle and the texture of the creature!! the colour although simple rocks too!!
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    Voted d-baker. Love the execution, and I agree that the otter like shape is cool. good job G!

    Lotsa cool ones this round, good job everybody!
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    WoW! Great round this one! Voted Njoo, cuz it doesn't get better than that.
    yoitisi would be my seccond choice, cuz I really like the flow in the lines here. Hard to beat that on a computer..
    Stephen R is allso a real nice one with a cool concept to it... but I prefer the graphic style that njoo delivers this time, simply the best.
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    njoo.. he takes this one. - JAG
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    though there were some crazy excellent pieces this round,
    Njoo just had no competition, IMHO.
    got me vote and tons of respect.

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