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Thread: Jazz' Junk Draw' (Practice Enviro update, Aug 6, 2011)

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    Alesoun, thank you so much! I certainly hope I can muster the energy and enthusiasm to continue!

    And that's a great idea for the fast sketches. I'm so set on working with anatomy, I don't get the essence of the gestures and impression. I'll work on that! ^_^
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    man,nice progress you did a really good job making that eye feel 3d. try do some skeleton studies it will help you get proportions a lot faster. I need to do more of these myself. Good work!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzW View Post
    Thanks, guys, for the advice!

    funfetus: Thanks a bunch for your crits and encouragement!! Hee hee! True, I haven't done anything with the values YET. I'm going to! I just wanted to start with some colours and subtle values. Actually, because you mentioned it, I did darken that eye more than it was.

    Speaking of which, thank you about the eye! I wasn't sure what to do with the shadows because the light source wasn't meant to be in front of the face exactly. So, when I tried putting highlights in, they actually looked really bad, like someone dabbed paint on her eye by mistake. I left them. I did try the cast shadow on the eyeball, but it was too subtle because again, I didn't know what to do. Even though I looked close to that eye tutorial, I guess there was still stuff I needed to emphesize. But thanks for showing me! I got a good idea of what you mean. I really appreciate you doing the paint-over!
    I hope I was clear about the values -- I was only referring to the tail kid. The values on the eye are actually quite good. I want to clear up a couple things -- the light source looks like it's coming from above and a little to the left, so shadows will be down and a little to the right. I'm noticing now that you DID have a cast shadow on the iris, but it didn't extend to the white of the eyeball. I think not treating the white of the eye like a regular mass that has color and light and shadow is a common mistake -- I did it for a long time myself. And any time something's smooth and wet, you have to throw some highlights on there -- that's just how life is. Really, though, it was pretty solid work to begin with -- I only made a couple small changes.

    About this new update -- it looks great! I love the "I could do that" girl. Some of your figures have some anatomy issues -- mostly too-short legs, mostly on the second and third pages. You mentioned having issues with keeping everything on the page. Are you just trying to cram the whole figure on there? A trick I learned recently (from the Marko Djurdjevic DVDs) is to draw a sort of light border, maybe an inch or so away from the edge of the paper, and try to draw within that. Then you have a whole inch of "overflow". Oh, the proportion in the fourth page looks perfect. Your anime (?) figures are great, too.

    Since you mentioned that you have trouble with getting caught up in the details, I want to emphasize how important it is to get the whole figure sketched out in correct proportion and structure before you start detailing. You don't have to outline the whole figure, but definitely put down some marks to indicate where everything is going to be. If you can build the figure up with blocks and cylinders to keep everything tidy in 3D space, it should help a lot, too. In fact, I'd recommend you spend a lot of time on that stuff before you move on to the more specific anatomy like muscles and surface details. Proportion and form are the foundation of this stuff.

    Anyway, that was kinda rambling -- keep it up, you're doing great. I'm gonna go watch Cowboy Bebop now.
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    whoa this last update is awsome. the last 4 are really great. i love the movement. great to see u challenging yourself w intense poses. your linework is looking really clean as well. the one w the womans hands over her head looks great. overall awsome stuff just pay attn to the details again, particularly the legs and refining those proportions.
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    I thought Shrek 3 was pretty funny.. haha, but I know what you mean.
    Jazz, sorry to hear that you didnt get the job. Don't feel bad about it though, you'll get enough chances to prove yourself.

    About the drawings.. THE EYE is great, Like Fetus pointed out.. some highlights can give it a finishing touch as you noticed, but the eye already looked very good.. great study! Of the new dump, I like the flowing dress girl and the "I could do that" girl very much. The pose maniacs website is very useful but tricky because it can be misleading.. just keep that in mind.

    When you are drawing a figure, are you setting it up with basic planes//circles?

    Keep it up...

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    Heyo! You guys give me such great advice, but lately I feel like I haven't been improving, but making even MORE mistakes. o_O If that's how it's normally supposed to go, I won't question it. Or am I having down time?

    Unbreakable: Hi there!! Thanks for the advice! The skeleton is a tough one for me. I want to start with the simplest looking skeleton EVER! ...And then build up on details. So I'll see what's out there! At the least, I could use the big shapes I see.

    funfetus: First off, yaaaaay!! You're watching Cowboy Bebop!! Hope you enjoy it!

    Oh, I was clear about the values! I forgot to specify exactly which picture I was referring to! But your advice reminded me to push the values of the eye, so I totally tried! ^_^ Now, about the white of the eye, it's not that I didn't treat it as a mass. In this case, where the shadow was, I wasn't quite sure how to light and shade it. I didn't know how much of an edge to give it. It's such a tricky part to me, because it's glossy AND soft.

    For the crammed-legged pictures...hee hee! No, I'm not trying to cram everything on the page. (though perhaps I end up doing it without realizing!) What happens is, when I get to the end, I know I have to cut off parts, so I do that. But I just have trouble measuring the legs still. And when I want to start at one spot on the page, well, I think your border suggestion will be JUST the thing to remedy that!!

    Thanks so much about the fourth drawing and the anime-esque ones!!

    I'm going to really try with the proportions and starting with more basic shapes. I'm weird about those shapes, like I can never draw them correctly. It'll be great practice! Thanks again, so much! (Now I'm rambling. Bah!)

    kawakaze: Thank you!! Yes, I'll work on those proportions! I should probably start myself off with the very basics of them, so I'll at least know where I'm going!

    Shea: Hee hee! Well, for all the credits Shrek 3 has, it's good to know some of us appreciate it! Hee hee! ^_^ Thanks for the consolation, it means a lot. I'll just keep trying to find something! ...Man, I hope I don't have this bad luck in Co-op.

    Oh, THANK YOU about the pictures!! And especially about that Pose Maniacs site. One like that is too good to be accurately true. XD I did find some strange poses, and I can tell most, if not all, can be found in video games and other nifty media. Heh! I was hoping to see more men.

    For the most part, I am indeed using those basic cylinders and circles. But I tend to hop right into the leg shapes and stuff, instead of maybe getting the basic shapes down first.

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    Today, I just felt like colouring more of my li'l "lonely" picture. I was also practicing Idiot Apathy's sphere assignment, over at the Peer Project thread! I'll show it anyway.

    He said softer but...man, that's soft!! XD
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    I just worked on more details (upped the values more, funfetus!)...at least a little on the hair and blanket. I did the most work on the skin after a while. Played with the ears, too! Still have much to do!
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    The kid's looking great! The hair is amazing, and the values are nice and strong. The only suggestion I have is to work some different hues into the hair and drapery. You've already done it with the skin, and it's looking great. Keep it up, I think this one is taking you to a new level.
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    Wow, thanks so much, funfetus!! Yeah, I'll totally get some other hues into the hair and drapery! I want to bring the little kid out as much as possible! ^_^ Just a matter of figuring out WHICH colours to add to those parts. o_o
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    Hello,

    Great sketchbook going here Jazz. Keep working at the digital, you are improving alot! The boy is comming along well, the hair is very well done. As funfetus said, try add in more hues into the clothing, overall it will give it more life.

    I'm sorry to hear you didn't get the job, but there are always more opportuinities

    Keep up the good work.
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    Wow Jazz, these are great! The improvement from your first few posts is impressive to say the least really inspiring - i'm def gonna study up on my anatomy now and hope i can improve as well as you have ^^
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    You are making a heap of progress, good on you for doing all the boring studies, they will turn you into a well rounded artist.

    cheers.
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    great update. as said before, colros are looking good and the hair is awsome. im having trouble reading the pose from the digital. from your sketch you define it through the cloth so it reads but w your digital it feels as if the cloth is not affected at all by the leg so closely underneath it. since the whole figure is really covered up u really have to use to cloth to define the forms underneath. try breaking up some of those ripples, change directions and angles of the folds w your shadows/highlights and imagine how they are altered by the forms which rest underneath.
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    I won't be updating tonight. I've been productive with co-op preparation, novice sewing, cleaning my bedroom window, and various other non-productive things! Hee!

    Hurley: Thanks so much for your comments! Much appreciated about the job. ^_^ I'll be working on the hues for that picture soon!

    Zimzibar: Wow, thank you!! Since I now see that I can do it, I'm certain you'll be improving well, yourself!

    Nutter: Thanks! Those poses can be really annoying! XD But hey, it's worth the effort!

    kawakaze: Thank you!! Actually, it's funny you mentioned those folds. I found them strange, scattered all over the place. I was surprised that no one mentioned them till now! Hee hee! I'll work on them!
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