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    GREAT news about the interview, Jazz! The very best of luck to you! You've come a long way since you started, and don't worry about mistakes; every one you make takes you a step further forward!


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    funfetus: Thanks a bunch for the link! I'll have to rely more on the picture, because the writing, at least today, sort of went over my head and across the moon. Ha ha! But I tried drawing a bit lighter with the pencil, gliding it. It is SO hard! What I tend to do is use my wrist a lot, though I do hold the pencil at an angle. Then when a part stresses me out, I start to turn it more perpendicular to the page.

    zwergi: Thank you for the comments! I do have to figure out the whole eye and eyebrow structure, because I find those places have strange angles that I have yet to tackle. So it's been frustrating, especially when bringing in the nose!

    Sheavolution: Hmm! All this time I thought the unexciting stuff was bringing my imagination down! Ha ha! I'm actually glad to hear that it helps me out! Thank you! ^_^ I'll try working on the girl again, since I'm feeling more awake than I did while drawing her then!

    alesoun: Thank you SO much! Your encouragement means a lot! And you're totally right about mistakes! Enough of them, and I'm sure I won't feel half as bad about making them as I do! Ha ha! I certainly need to remember that there's something to challenge me still!

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    I mentioned characters, but I got really nervous, so I'll wait until I get more confidence in some areas. THEN I'll show some characters of mine! Tonight I'm tired. It's good that I don't have to post stuff every day, because I think I need a good little break from showing my crud sketches!

    This afternoon and evening I worked in more frustration. I really believe this is NOT my week. But here are some things I just did...

    More face planes and little faces. Actually, in this case, I was seeing how much of my memory kicked in. I think I'm missing something, but I don't know WHAT. Also, I was bored, so I wanted to practice tilting the male's head.
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    I attempted to make a woman's face, but it came out skewed. Ah well, maybe next time.
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    This is actually just a doodle. I randomly thought of it and started drawing some weird dragon baby thing. All she has are claws and a tail. Ha! I don't even know how to draw babies yet. XD
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    Another model picture. I really like the models for their muscles, and many times the angle of their poses.
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    As funfetus reminded me of the difference in using one colour and using many colours, I just thought I'd really show myself a difference. But...I didn't have to make the ball bumpy. XD Oh well again! It feels alive!! So I used some blue-purple (indigo? maybe?), some red/pink, some...greenish colour, yellow, pale peach. And that sandy brown is somewhere in there. I should learn not to go overboard!
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    PS: In case anyone wants to download the Loomis books, I did get a link from another forum thread: http://acid.noobgrinder.com/Loomis/

    I wasn't sure if I was supposed to mention it. Kick me if not! But the books help me out!

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    Hey buddy

    Glad you have joined the group =)
    now to the crits:

    Well, your studies are paying off but some of them, even though it is a study, I believe you could make them more finished ... sometimes it seens you just trz to hard what zou donít know with some sketchy lines hehe (donít worry, I do that a lot hehe ... someone mentioned to me that a really good way to learn is try to finish every piece, so you raelly know what is wrong)

    Yeah, you are still having some troubles with the head but i believe you are on the right track ... I mean, there is a clear progress in the process

    Hahaha, your anime charachter of yourself came out really good! I bet you look exactly like that!

    I dunno what happened to the female face in post 62 but it sure came out wrong hehehe ... maybe you looked more to the paper than to the photo? Maybe you measure it out wrongly? I thing sometimes help me to think (I never done it because it would take too long) what would happen if I measured EVERYTHING with a ruler? And I mean everything, distance of nose to eye, eye to eyebrown, width of eye, etc etc etc ... Well, thats what we need to do but without a ruler. Try to pay more attention to angles and do the first part of sketch only with straight lines to really get the angles right.

    Yeah, that sphere with more colour came out beautiful ..

    Keep up!
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    I know the language on that link I posted is a bit...impenetrable...but it's really worth it to take some time and puzzle it out, because it points out a lot of details that you probably won't notice just by looking at the pictures. It's stuff I never noticed, and I think it's made a difference in my drawing already.

    Now, that bumpy ball looks DELICIOUS. You see what I'm talking about? You certainly don't have to go THAT crazy, though there's no reason you shouldn't, as long as it looks good. A good rule of thumb is to put a bit of the local color's complimentary color into the shadows. So if the object is orange (or light red-brown-pink, like caucasian skin is) then put some blue or purple or something like that into the shadows. You remember your color wheel, right?

    That woman's face is a little weird. I think it's the jaw and chin. It's too much of an angle, and comes to too sharp a point. Some of the features are a little off-center, too. The dragon baby is really cool.

    As for your head studies, they all look good, except that one -- you know which one -- the bottom planes study. The chin definitely shouldn't just out so far. The nose is by far the most protruding structure on the face. After that, it recedes in "steps" until you get to the chin.
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    brunopicinini, thank you for the thorough crit! Ahhh, I'm thinking practice will again make perfect, as I make incomplete things when I'm tired. Possibly I even worry about the finished product being a waste of time. I should probably throw that thought out of the window, if I really want to continue.

    Tee hee! Thanks about the heads progress, and my little anime-ish 'me'! I don't get to have much fun with cartoony stuff these days.

    As for the woman's face, in all truth I have yet to actually study the woman's face in depth. I've only been working on the man's face. Slowly. There's no photo ref, but I wanted to try and remember how the man's face was structured, and soften it up for the woman's face. Didn't turn out the way I'd hoped. I've even done measurements, but I think at that time it was like sanding off chunks when I measured. >_< I'm actually going to try starting off with the lines next time, to get a good idea of where they could curve and soften.

    funfetus: Yello there! Thanks a lot for the advice! I'll give it a try today, to read through that article and see if the wording is more straight-forward to me today.

    Thanks about the ball!! I recall learning that tip about shadows, and yes! The colour wheel is well. I'll give a better try with some more colour practice!

    Heh heh...I probably should've tried harder with the woman's face. XD I totally noticed the skewedness and the odd angular chin. But I didn't know what to do with it! Hee hee! For now though, I'll work with the ladies as I'm working with the guys. I'll try to get them all down a little better. Thanks about the dragon baby!

    And for the profile face, thank YOU! My goodness, I have so much trouble with the chin and nose part! Seeing it in "steps" as you drew it, it's making more sense to me. I'll make sure to work on that, because I just love profile headshots and I wanna make a good one!

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    Nothing right now. But I think I'll do some work on the faces again. Mmm...I'm a little overwhelmed with ONE little interview. Which isn't so little. I need a summer job! ;_; It's tomorrow, so here's hoping!

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    great ref studies. i esp like that color piece. it amazes me that u can fit all of those colors in to portray a single one.

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    Thank you, kawakaze!! I appreciate the comment, especially about the colours! I'm getting to understand them a little more!

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    I had a most enlightening and happy day!! My interview went really well! I hope they choose me to join them for their project! I wanna do some creative stuff for once! ;_;

    Well, yesterday was also good! I did some baby sketching. VERY light, and you're about to see how light, because I had to mess with Photoshop levels. Heh! But I just want you guys to see how I go when I'm feeling less stressed! So yesterday and today were stressless drawings!

    Now, I was enjoying the visit from my li'l niece! I and the family! Tee hee! Babies are quite tough to draw, and so I've crossed my own advice and rushed through some of the sketches. They're so loose, you MIGHT make out a baby there. But at least a gesture or two! Hee hee!

    This one's my favourite...because she actually SAT there for a while, on my Dad's lap. XD
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    The rest are just her playing and trying to stand.
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    Today was especially enlightening...upon thinking about all the awesome advice, about how to hold my pencil, flow with it, I've (...not read the article yet!! I will, funfetus! >_< ) let loose, holding my pencil differently. Not even sure if it fits with the better way, but it felt better! I was listening to some very inspiring music. The music got me scribbling in many directions, so here's what I put down:

    I was driven by the music to scribble a mess, then I used a thicker pencil to outline some kind of shape I found. I tried this twice again.
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    I'm back into tails...I always liked them.
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    When will it be right?? (Ignore the hair; I just scribbled that in there cuz I...wanted to put a bunch of hair on him. XD )
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    (PS, hmmm...the attachments haven't been showing up lately. As long as I didn't break anything!)

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    Wowza, you've been very active in your thread too since the last time I've been here. Impressive!

    Your sketches don't show hesitation or fear of tackling challenging subjects like tilted heads and full figure anatomy. You GO Girl! Practice and demolish those drawing hurdles of yours. (Lucky that your SSG 44 group is active in giving feedbacks.)

    Tips when you do face studies: try and use the liquify tool to adjust features or symmetry; and, flip your drawing in progress to minimize skewing. Flip upside down to help you draw symmetrical angles, like the chin (also a good way to check alignment and size comparison of the eyes).

    Anime/ manga style doesn't get a lot of respect here but just an encouragement for you to keep developing that style (with your added flair). Might be useful someday in your portfolio, you never know. I really believe western made anime is going to eventually upstage all these 2d flash stuff right now that you see on t.v.

    Good luck in landing that digital artist position or at least a fun summer job. I bet you know this already, that your area is pretty hot right now for animation work.

    because I had to mess with Photoshop levels
    Use this too along with the color balance adjustment settings when you do your paintings. I personally find it very valuable in bringing your works to a higher level of finish. They're part of Photoshop's secret weapons. Of course every regualr PS user know where to look for them, but do they really know how to use and take advantage of them?
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    I have sketches, but I'll put them up later. XD It's so HOT here!!

    I wanted to respond to you, FlipMcgee! Ha ha!! Thanks so much for peeking in again! I love looking at your progress. It's been fun sharing encouragement and crits with everyone that I've been chatting with on here!

    Anyway! Thank you about the compliment for tackling challenging stuff! I really want to try and get a handle on as much as possible. I've made myself comfortable with the simplistic at one point--so much so that it felt boring, whatever pictures I made. So I'm climbing out of that! SSG #44 are AWESOME!! ^___^

    That's a great suggestion about the faces! I'll try that and see how it works for me! Liquify is such a great tool! I hardly use it, but sometimes do funny little things. :3

    I really appreciate the encouragement on my odd anime-esque drawing style. Heh...I do find myself sneaky about slipping a picture or two in that boasts the style. I don't mind now because I know I'm learning some other stuff that'll help me eventually draw my own way and do my own thing...well, for the most part, I suppose. Ugh, don't remind me about that Flash stuff on the TV. I HATE that stuff! I wish they'd stop mixing (almost) every intriguing cartoon idea with the flash animation. -_-;;

    Thanks about the summer job! I really hope they pick me. I just want ONE chance, then more!

    Oh yeah, and about the Levels, I use them as often as I can! Just that during this progress phase, I wanted to show the raw and original image, IF viewers can make it out. But if *I* can't, then I'll make sure that I can so everyone can get a good look! So...you're right about the levels, though! They've saved me from doing some lines over. Just some, but Levels is such a great tool!

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    your new sketches look really fluid/loose which is really nice. in some instances it seems like u overwork stuff, for instance the 3 and 4th pic. from your other skethces u clearly have a good idea of proportions and setting up your composition from many of your initial lines. i found a problem for myself is that i have a heavy hand thus i end up getting a really messy page w tons of lines that are uncessesary. i have hardly gotten away from this habit however i find that sometimes switching up mediums to ballpoint or even lead weights may help put some variance in line widths and weights.

    also flash animation can be dope, the prob w most of the stuff out today is not meant to be amazing to the eye rather just enough to pass and let the story fold. i find this the same w lots of anime thus as a whole it does nto get much appreciation. im not to fond of anime but lots of people seem to think my style is? i dunno but yes, keep pushing your creative, stylistic edge as well. realism is cool but have soem fun sometimes=D

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    Hey Jazz, Your bumpy ball rocks The may23dragbaby's expression on the face is crazy, you did a really good with that one (I also like the tails )
    I think may25lonely is a good one for color, show off these digital skills you got please! Keep it up, doing great!

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    hey buddy!
    nice studies you are doing ...

    just sometimes you seen to go over the edge with the "looseness" of your drawings hehe .. far too many constructions lines in the drawing ... it can BE a good asset and make a good effect, but I believe you must play with more "clean" drawings as well

    and hope you get the job!
    what you be doing there exactly? something involving drawing? that would rock so much!
    good luck!

    keep up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brunopicinini View Post
    just sometimes you seen to go over the edge with the "looseness" of your drawings hehe .. far too many constructions lines in the drawing ... it can BE a good asset and make a good effect, but I believe you must play with more "clean" drawings as well
    Word. I found that as soon as I started making a conscious effort to clean up my drawings, and put down one well-placed line instead of a bunch of scribbly ones, my drawings improved substantially. This was just a couple months ago, too.
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    Hey, guys! I've been feeling overwhelmed with all this art improvement stuff. I feel like it's just so much for me to remember and get. I'm trying the advice, little bits at a time. But I'm grateful for it, thank you!

    Had another interview today. I'm feeling a bit down in the dumps, though I thought the interview went well.

    Three of you mentioned me overdoing it with lines. Well, I've been working on fixing that for some time, but then my technique was getting stiff. It's a frustrating thing, trying to figure out what's letting loose and what's overdoing it. For the very last ones, however, I wanted to just let go and work on letting my hand loosen up. I wanted the lines to go where the music took them, then I would search for the lines that made more sense together. I'll be working on tightening the lines as I continue these studies though, so it's all good.

    kawakaze: I'll try to have some more fun. ^_^ And I'll work on the lines.

    Sheavolution: Hee hee! I'm still happy that my bumpy ball inspired you! I actually started some work on the "lonely" piece, so I'll show that to you guys. :3

    brunopicinini: Thank you for the good luck wishes! I hope I get the job! One of them. XD The first one is digital artist, so I get to draw and design stuff, by the sounds of it. Yes, I shall work on those lines.

    funfetus: I finally read those articles you sent! Very helpful, I must say! I'm working on holding the pencil in that manner. It feels so weird. >_<

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    I have other progress pics of this, but this was really quickly done up to there. I still have a ways to go with it. Though, I'm open for suggestions of what to add/take away before I go crazy with it!
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    Sorry, unclean lines! I did this before Friday's interview. :3 I had a bunch, but they're hard to make out.
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    Here are a bunch of progress pics of an eye I worked on this afternoon. Took me a few hours. It's my first big practice from that cool eye tutorial funfetus gave me a link to. ^_^

    Good grief, look how I started!
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    Took away the lines and went to town.
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    Tweaked the lower lid.
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    Here's the finished product.
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    With crap lashes...
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    I need plenty of help with eyes. I still can't get everything the way I wanted to.

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    Good update, Jazz! I really like the taily kid. Good form and drawing on it. For my crit, though, sorry to sound like a broken record, but PUSH THOSE VALUES! The deep shadows should be much darker. It'll look a lot better.

    Glad to hear that you read that eye tutorial! It's good stuff. I bought the whole book off Amazon and I'm about halfway through. Your eye looks really good. You showed the thickness of the eyelids really well. I have a couple of suggestions: The upper eyelid should meet the mass of the brow with more of a fold. Also, make sure the lid and brow cast a shadow on to the eyeball. You have shadow to show the roundness of the ball, but not a cast shadow from the lid and brow. A couple highlights work well, too.

    Keep it up! You're making good progress.
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