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    Will it just 'click'?

    Alright, I'm sure this is the one question everyone asks at some point but i'm hoping it will help me...

    HOW? DO? YOU? DO? IT?

    I've asked this other places and I mostly just get things like, you have to practice, or read tutorials, but I'm not finding anything that helps. I can't come up with any good ideas, I don't know how I should start even when I do get a good idea, and when I try and paint it, it's a disaster.

    Does anyone know of any VIDEO tutorials? Of it showing the painting as it's happening? I can't find anything like this. And how did you guys get good? Did it just click and you found and awesome technique? Did you just practice until you found out how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drd
    Alright, I'm sure this is the one question everyone asks at some point but i'm hoping it will help me...

    HOW? DO? YOU? DO? IT?

    I've asked this other places and I mostly just get things like, you have to practice, or read tutorials, but I'm not finding anything that helps. I can't come up with any good ideas, I don't know how I should start even when I do get a good idea, and when I try and paint it, it's a disaster.
    Hey, just relax about it. Art isn't like an On/Off switch. There won't be one day where you suddenly become a fantastically great artist. It is a slow progression that happens over many years, if you work really hard everyday then maybe you can shave a few years off. But really, it's a process.

    Besides, I notice you're still pretty young, so don't worry, you've got the time. If you keep at it non stop, then by the time you're eighteen I'm sure you'll have something to show for it.

    I also just checked out your sketchbook, not bad at all, especially at fifteen. I know I sure as hell couldn't draw like that at fifteen! Not that I'm a master artist myself, but I'm sure other more talented (where talent = years of sweat and experience) artists will echo the same sentiment.

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    Does anyone know of any VIDEO tutorials?
    Well, one series I like is by Bobby Chiu. Not only does it show his process, but also he talks about his life experiences. Actually, I don't even watch what he's doing most of the time, I only load up the videos to listen to him talk.

    Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention, there's an anatomy centered blog called "The Structure of Man" with something like a couple hundred video tutorials. I haven't looked much into it myself, but you may find it interesting.
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    What exactly are you trying to do? It’s likely that you are biting off more than you can chew all at once. Isolate specific things that you need improvement on, and focus on improving those things one at a time. Hang in there.
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    I need knowledge of processes.

    Thanks for those links, I'd heard of Chiu before but I didn't know who he was...That's what I need, like processes. I start a drawing, but kind of lock up, I don't really know what to do next...

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    I think most artists do have those moments when they're drawing/painting and 'click' as they've just discovered a new technique, or something right for the first time, etc.

    Most of the time however, it will be a slow process which you will not notice.

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    1st = Give yourself permission to suck, you are going to suck regardless of wether you want to or not... it's only by many many failures that you will arrive at any success.

    2nd = Practice drawing anything and everything every waking second -- drawing is the foundation of good painting... it takes a good 1000 hours of concentrated drawing practice just to get a handle on conture line of the human figure.

    3rd = When (after much drawing) you arrive at a drawing worth taking to paint, DONT! -- instead begin practicing value(B&W) studies of anything and everything every waking hour... value represents 90% of color vision so if you have good value you will be at least 90% right.

    4th = When you have good value (after much practice) study color theory.

    5th = Now combine drawing, value, and color to create a painting -- technique will arrive somewhere along the path to this point... you won't have to seek it out it is a natural byproduct of practice of the fundamentals.

    Best,
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    RebeccaK has some awesome list of things to do when you don't know what to do:
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...5&postcount=32
    Cheers!

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    personally have a similar problem with ideation, my imagination will run wild with so many possibilities that trying to rein them all in becomes extremely frustrating at times as you pressure yourself to create. Remember, your art is a means to find absolute freedom and this strong desire can often thwart your focus on something as you become more concentrated on a finished project than developin your basic concepts which require your immediate attention

    Sometimes a change of environment can help (I don't enjoy trying to come up with stuff at work, but prefer to start projects at home, where i'm more comfy, or just sitting under a tree somewhere outside) Don't let your daily routines become stifling. Another thing that helps me, if there's something i want to draw, i'll warm up by drawing something completely unrelated to get loose, usually something funny that i don't have to be entirely too critical about and relieve some of the pressure to immediately crank out something that looks totally awesome. It also helps me to jot down ideas as they come to me so i don't forget them.

    Also, try to get together and collaborate with other artists. Having dialogue with them towards a common goal can stimulate your mind and help develope ideas that you wouldn't have. these don't neccicarily have to be visual artists either, maybe find someone who likes to write and use your interpretation of what they write to formulate more concrete ideas rather than trying to pick out exactly what your looking for among the myriad ideas that go through your head, which can be a very daunting task. Don't keep all that's in your head to yourself if your mildly embarrased or just not satisfied with your percieved quality of work. this is

    If your looking for a good video i would definately suggest picking up Marko Djurdjevic's Character Ideation DVD. You're shown four different characters that make up a post-apocolyptic gang. In it, he talks about how he comes to some of his ideas, gives some insight into his personal theory about art and his attitude towards his progression. But best of all you get to watch each character drawn almost to completion without too many cuts and not so sped up as to not be able to appreciate what he's actually deciding about each one as he fleshes them out. and watching him as he works really helped me to keep in mind how neccesary it is to work your projects evenly so everything comes together at once. Hmmmm... oh yeah, good music on it too.

    I hope this has been of some service as it sucks to see someone suffer through a problem i seem to encounter all too often.

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    The answer is yes, it will just click. At some point during those mighty hours of practice you should be racking up, something will just click.

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Quote Originally Posted by jason_maranto
1st = Give yourself permission to suck, you are going to suck regardless of wether you want to or not... it's only by many many failures that you will arrive at any success.

2nd = Practice drawing anything and everything every waking second -- drawing is the foundation of good painting... it takes a good 1000 hours of concentrated drawing practice just to get a handle on conture line of the human figure.

3rd = When (after much drawing) you arrive at a drawing worth taking to paint, DONT! -- instead begin practicing value(B&W) studies of anything and everything every waking hour... value represents 90% of color vision so if you have good value you will be at least 90% right.

4th = When you have good value (after much practice) study color theory.

5th = Now combine drawing, value, and color to create a painting -- technique will arrive somewhere along the path to this point... you won't have to seek it out it is a natural byproduct of practice of the fundamentals.

Best,
Jason.

First you tell its ok to make mistakes.. it is.
Then you say that you should draw wherever you are, and whenever you are. thats right.

In the 3rd point.. you say its not ok to make mistakes. It is.

The 4th point is good. But it shouldn't affect once practice.

5th point is same as 4.. its good, its right, but no... it will come down as you practice it. If you want to be a robot. thats fine i guess.

DRD: Do you have fun drawing ? Do you want to get better ? Do you have a goal?

Having fun drawing is the most important thing. You won't progress as much if you don't have fun doing what you are doing. When your doing studies you are allowed to experiment and practicing, While you studying something, you should still have fun! I think this is where the goals come in. If you have a goal, you can think of that while doing the studies. If you have nothing to work forward to, it must be shit thinking of the 999999 figures you have in front of you when you've just finished the first one. If you have a goal, you hopefully realize how good this is = fun. Cause then you'll be able to put these figures into your work. No goal = what the fuck should i do with these ? Goal = Great, now I can make a whole army of cool guys with kick ass weapons !

If you seriously want to get better.. if you are having fun, and if you have a goal, you WILL improve. If you know that the studies you are doing will get you somewhere , you WILL improve, if you know that everytime you sit down to draw, you work towards a goal, you WILL improve!

most times when it have "clicked" for me, its been while im been struggling/working for hours and hours and hours.. not when i put down a 10 minute figure. To be able to put down hours and hours into drawing.. You have to think that drawing is really fun! It is the most important thing!
I'm not sure why you did this thread... is it because you don't have fun ?
you saying you have a hard time starting to draw. Its called an "artistic block"
thats something you can cure with a goal! but you have to belive in that goal.
If you can just sit down and focus on your goal.. Im sure you can grab your pencil and start working right away. If not, do some master study.. After you've finished it, or worked on it for a while, you've hopefully forget your block. And then you can get down your ideas no matter what! As mentioned, you must allow your self to fail. You will fail a few thousand times, its necessary! Otherwise you wont know whats right. Its better to fail now then failing later.

Well, I don't have much more to say. I hope it "clicks" for you also.. and don't expect yourself to be great over a night. that won't happen! You have to practice. The people who told you to keep practicing was smart people, you should listen to them! but remember to have fun

Edit* KLEVR's advice about changing enviroment sometimes is really really good.. i've seen some peoples studios, and I could In no way work in there.. it should
feels fresh to you!

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    No Offense Mr. Dile, but you could use a more structured and linear approach to learning as well -- you are a great example of what happens when you learn in an unfocussed way... there are weaknesses in your drawings which make thier way into your paintings and make any uderstanding of value skewed.

    I too learned in an unfocussed way, and have spent years trying to undo the damage done to myself... The method I outlined is the Old master approach to training an apprentice -- you were not allowed to proceed to the next step untill you had mastered the previous. This very often meant it would be YEARS before being allowed to actually paint, but it also meant you didn't waste time chasing your own tail.

    The fastest way between point A and B is a straight line...

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    Dile, Jason, if I may interrupt the two of you –

    You are both right. Having a step-by-step way to methodically work towards a goal is necessary. And having fun is also necessary. This applies to any field, and these things can’t be mutually exclusive. The most effective methodical approaches make “fun” a part of the process, because structure without fun is likely to sap your will to go on, and fun without structure results in going around in unhelpful little circles of self-gratification. I suspect in your own practice, each of you has made good use of both structure and fun.
    I think you are awesome, and I wish you the best in your endeavors, but I am tired of repeating myself, I am very busy with my new baby, and I am no longer a regular participant here, so please do not contact me to ask for advice on your career or education. All of the advice that I have to offer can already be found in the following links. Thank you.

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    Absolutely!

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    It is possible to achieve the click. I have developed and am soon to patent a process for achieving the click.

    I am calling it the Satori Method(TM) of making art.

    First, one must become familiar with tools and materials. Since the Satori Method(TM) requires absolute committment and involvement with the process, all tools and materials must be made only from your own naturally-occuring body parts and functions.

    Brushes can be made only from your own hair. Each hair must be individually selected for perfection of length, diameter, and flexion. Color is immaterial. Choose no more than one hair per lunar cycle, otherwise you may rush to judgement.

    Brush handles are best made from fingernails, which are a renewable body resource. Some have advocated the use of certain long bones, but this is an over-indulgence in involvement. Simply let the fingernails of one hand grow for few decades and then trim carefully. Choose that which best provides both the necessary stiffness and resilience, two characteristics that are always to be kept in proper balance.

    The Satori Method(TM) employs only one color, and that is black. All other colors are an indulgence, a distraction from the absolute end of achieving the click. A very good black pigment can be made by burning your own bones to charcoal, but that risks over-involvement (see "brush handles," above), which is a distracting indulgence. An acceptable alternative is collecting carbon black produced by candles made from your own body fat.

    Binders for your black pigment can be made from a number of protein-rich bodily excrescences, however none is as prevalent in the body as mucus. Collect only one type of mucus, however, to prevent protein-chain clotting. This resource cannot be stored, and must be collected and used only when needed.

    A ground for your art must be made. Some extremists have prepared parchments made from their own skin but this is another case of indulging in over-involvement. A quite suitable felt-like paper can be fabricated from naturally exfoliated epidermal cells. Dandruff is known to yield a particularly brilliant white paper. Be sure to sort out all grit and other contaminants.

    Preparation of materials and tools is of course only a miniscule, mundane part of the Satori Method(TM). To truly achieve the click, one must also attune oneself completely to all harmonies of the universe. Only when absolute attunement is achieved can one be assured of achieving the true click; false clicks are a dime a dozen!

    Absolute attunement is best pursued in the absence of all earthly distractions. All time not spent creating your materials must be spent in pursuing absolute attunement. Removal to a remote location is recommended; the lower Himalayas are known to feature excellent regions suitable for this pursuit, and the rent is reasonable.

    At some point as you grow more attuned to the universe and have fabricated all your necessary materials, you will be tempted to collect some mucus and attempt to make a picture and achieve the click. DO NOT BE MISLED BY THIS TEMPTATION! This need to create art is another indulgence, perhaps the most insidious of all! The true click is only achieved when one is without desire, without ambition, without self. Wait for it!

    At last, eventually, the moment has arrived. All the universal harmonies sing through your consciousness. In the palm of your left hand you grind your body-fat black with a great gooey glob of snot, all the while having awareness only of the cosmic oneness, the potentiality of click. Your right hand grasps the fingernail-and-hair brush, then uses it to caress your puddle of self-made paint. With utter abandonment to the moment you stretch the brush out to the dandruff sheet. Become the brush, become the paint, become the paper! You make a stroke.

    Satori!

    CLICK!




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    lol, masque!
    I think you are awesome, and I wish you the best in your endeavors, but I am tired of repeating myself, I am very busy with my new baby, and I am no longer a regular participant here, so please do not contact me to ask for advice on your career or education. All of the advice that I have to offer can already be found in the following links. Thank you.

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