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    this week's theme was animals.

    stuff that's bugging me:
    1) i still can't get a really accurate feel for which way lines should go for shading/hatching etc.

    2) the lines are very.. straight and hard. they aren't too organic. i probably need to practice some more curvy shapes or put on curvy lines after getting some basic lines down.

    3) perspective. gotta work on it.


    here are the ref pictures i used. found em all with google images or on wikipedia..

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    animals + shapes..

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    your shading quality in those last animal pieces is cracking upto some of the earlier stuff. You're right that the lines aren't as organic as perhaps they could be. Have you ever heard of a guy called Vilppu? His approach to drawing the figure may very well help you, where he focuses less on the bones and planes and muscles, but more on he flow of the interconnecting shapes. In conjunction with the bones and planes and stuff, it comes in very handy. If you google for a pdf of vilppu's drawing manual you might be able to find a copy as the link i got mine from isn't there any more. But the amount of study certainly seems to be paying off.

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    I spoke to you on IM earlier *thumbs up*

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    waw.great studies you have here! your really serious huh? anyways, your lines are getting more natural looking, i like it. you should keep it up. well, you actually don't need me to tell you that. hehe ^^

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    zephyri: thanks for the feedback. i found that manual on the net, it's really good. i really like that approach, thanks for the heads up about it. i'll probably do some bone studies and muscle studies next, it'd probably help.

    panda: always a pleasure.

    iamgale: thanks, not as serious as i wanna be, i did take a really long break unfortunately. didn't really help. anyway thanks for stopping by!

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    hb pencil from photorefs, just some perspective practice and nature type stuff.

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    pen stuff, stuff from life, photo reffed stuff...

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    Wooo, nice one scketches here! With this kind of post is from where IŽll learn the most. The last ones are a great improvement over the first ones, and you can use it so encourage yourself .

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    Wow, you sure have a diligent grip of learning structures and perspective. One thing that may be getting behind is values though, try practice doing the shadings layer by layer, moving from light to dark. Also try to think about the forms of the subject rather than separate value areas when shading. Would be great seeing some studies with more time spent from you too.

    Keep it up, I admire your patience!

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    thanks to both of you.

    i'm going to try and set up somethings on my desk and using one direct light on them, i'm thinking fruit and other simplistic objects. and yes, definetly going to spend time on a long-ish study.

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    apples apples apples, yes i know, boring to look at, very over-done subject, but it really helped me get the whole lighting and shadow thing i think a bit more, plus it helped me practise the values. it was all done from life using my desk lamp for lighting, and it was the only light source so i wouldn't get confused. i also drew some street lights and machinery stuff from pics i took.

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    same crit I gave you before; wrap your rendering by changing the direction of the strokes more often near the edges.

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    not too much seriousness, just sketching quickly some mechanical-type stuff, like robots and robotic arms and whatever. i suck at wheels and rounded objects in general.
    also i tried to do a longer hand study but i didn't really complete it, took about 1.5 hours, ref is included for it at the bottom, found it with google images once again.

    lake btw i think i told you on aim that i finally got your crit, learning from my own mistakes i guess, but we'll see!

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    wow, you're a studying machine. good work man.

    In the last hand study you should pay attention to the surface lines (where the wrinkles wrap around the to describe the shape of the fingers, palm etc.) and where the lines over lap (like the line you put where the edge of the palm of the big hand overlaps the thumb behind it.) these will help bring depth and make the forms easier to read.

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    octopus_interphone: yeah they definetly need to be detailed, i'll try another one and focus on those details.

    animals.. other assorted stuff, tried drawing an elevation drawing of a window..

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    hands from photos.

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    looking good, but a little blocky with the angles. Try doing the SAME angles that you're doing now without lifting the pencil off the paper as often - this should help unify the forms. (also why some artist's sketch lines extend beyond the contours of the subject)

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    Wow, I see tons of improvements from the previous posts. Keep up the lighting studies and then try to create your own once you think you understand how it works. It'll show you what you're missing in knowledge and direct you towards what you need to study and pay attention to in future studies. Also look into the anatomy of the hands, bones and muscles. It'll help you in both life, ref, and imaginary drawings once you know about the construction, how it functions, and how the underlying structure affects the surface.

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    yo lake, thanks for the tip

    evilbunny thanks for stopping by, i tried some of that this time around. it was well worth it, very cool and fun.

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    ah yeah... already better! try doing some cross-contour drawings to really maximize 3d feel.

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    woop woop school's almost out.

    feet.. bones.. trees.

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    err I'll say it again: cross contours. break out of that comfort zone!

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    i think some cross-contours as suggested by lake. some in pen and some in pencil.

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    err you have cross contour HATCHING but not cross contour drawing. here:

    http://wwwtch.leusd.k12.ca.us/file.p...sscontour2.JPG

    more like that. don't get sloppy and take the time to space them right.

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    just some messing around with perspective, doodles, more.. and more hands. tried to do some value drawing, will prolly make a longer study of that for the sake of practice...

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    ahhh now THAT's how you do it. see how much more dimensional those become? Try to incorporate what you learn into your linework.

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    just tried some full figures..





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    used some statues as ref, and then some skulls because i keep messing up the proprotions like making huge noses or the distance from the eye to the nose is off...









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