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    Just thinking out loud...

    I'm toying with something that could be interesting, but only if other people think it might be, too...

    After I ask the Admins for permission, I'm thinking of starting an on-going competition in the challenge area, sometime after the holidays and big competitions are over. It's going to be a bit different from what you're all used to, but it could be fun. My primary purpose, though, is to TEACH...

    Most of us are here for many reasons--to get a feel for what the professionals are doing, how they do it, plain and simple inspiration, learning the problems/solutions involved in "real" work, and hopefully learning what it takes in becoming a "pro" someday ourselves...

    Over the last couple of months, I've seen posts in a good many threads that rattled my cage a bit...

    "This is boring."

    "We only have 6 months to do this?!?"

    "I hate [insert the stupidest thing that ever came out of your mouth about art]."

    "So what! I'm never doing that, so why should I even care about/attempt/plan for it?"

    "This subject is shitty! Can I do something I like instead?"

    "Who cares?"

    "Yeah, yeah, I know it sucks, but I'm tired of messin' with it..."

    "I'm in...unless I get laid by [insert name or animal of your choice]!"

    "Hey! Bite me! If I want want my 15th century nun wearing a bikini, I'll do it..."

    "When's this due? I really don't have the time to go back to page 1 and see for myself..."

    "I hate acrylics! Can I just put my water color/crayons/pablum on real thick instead?"

    Many of you may see yourselves somewhere in the above probably. If you do, you're sliding down the ladder, not climbing it.

    The real world doesn't revolve around you, the real world doesn't wait for you, the real world doesn't have to pay you for doing something more fun than what they requested, and the real world sure as hell isn't going to want to hear how your dog ate your final piece--coincidentally on the last day it was due.

    My thought is a series of competitions that directly counter the above attitudes, with RATIONAL and varying deadlines (I won't request anything that even approaches "Need this tomorrow, Asshole!"), with subjects that range from mundane to beautiful-once-in-a-lifetime-events, possibly done in specific ways, maybe in specific media (don't panic--look-alike qualifies here), maybe something that needs some heavy-duty research, or has to fill a narrow request by a specific "client." NO extensions, NO excuses, NO slacking off...BUT...NO question will go unanswered, no matter how stupid you think it might be. The ones that know will share, and maybe we'll all learn a bit.

    We will crit every piece entered. You WILL be graded by me (and any number of other/more qualified people that I can blackmail into helping), as well as your peers, and your grade WILL COUNT in the finals. The higher your accumulated grades, the closer to being in the right mind-set for a pro you become. And the results will be based on creativity, appropriateness of the solution, how well you fulfilled the request, and the actual level of finish you achieve (allowing for your age or experience). Unlike the current challenges in the Challenge section, the "most-looks-just-like-what-everybody-thinks-conceptual-art-looks-like" will often NOT be the winner. In fact, many of the assignments may not even appear to have an obvious connection to the world of the Concept Artist (Trust me--they will!).

    The idea is to get used to and exposed to the real problems that exist in the real world, something that's a bit hard to do when you're still in school, or just getting started.

    Any comments, opinions, questions?
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    I'm all curious now. :-)
    I think you are awesome, and I wish you the best in your endeavors, but I am tired of repeating myself, I am very busy with my new baby, and I am no longer a regular participant here, so please do not contact me to ask for advice on your career or education. All of the advice that I have to offer can already be found in the following links. Thank you.

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    Ditto.

    I wouldn't mind critiquing a bit =)
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    "Yeah, yeah, I know it sucks, but I'm tired of messin' with it..."
    thats a quote from me aint it.

    sounds like a good idea to me. i know im slacking and i need to stop. as well as have alot to learn
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    It sounds like a great idea to me. I need to expand my abilities and get shoved out of my comfort zone as much as possible. So, if this comes to pass, count me in.
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    ila - always the brilliantly demented forum thinker. My question is this though - how can we retain a consistent number of students in these competitions? I have seen many a similar idea go by the wayside because the general populace does not seem to stick to one thing (other than Fozzy beating the shit outta people with the COW, CHOW, etc etc.). Is there some way to get peoples attention asap on these things so that this retains all its fatty goodness and flavor?

    -sorry was thinking about eating prime rib just then-

    I would be up for it time permitting.

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    Testse Fly, you wouldn't have to do it every time. I understand that all of us have other things going on, but the "grades" you get would accumulate. The more you participate, the more you rise up the "pro ladder" so to speak.

    Some of the things I have in mind to do are not all that different than what we do now...just from a different angle, with a different set of priorities required, if you know what I mean.

    I'm going to try to break the mindset of "This is how it's always done, so that's how I'll do it." and "Eh...I don't like this one..." that can cause real "culture shock" when we little dweebies hit the wide wide world with a pencil, paper and the rent due. And I truly intend to make them intersting enough for most people to try at least some of the comps...

    So I can handle this myself starting off, I'll keep things simple at first til I can maybe get some of the pros involved once in a while, especially when it involves one of their specialties.

    The one over-riding thing I want to do is convince people to THINK...THEN draw/paint/whatever. A few minutes spent at the right moment just contemplating the pile of shit some idiot dumped on your drawing table is often the most valuable single thing you can do to be a successful artist. The way I'm going to do this is to force you by restrictions in the rules to think in a way that prevents most "clichčed" answers.

    Above all, I want it to be fun just to see what we can do with something totally stupid, or so totally outside our own area of interest as to be a real ball-breaker in some fashion. And i'm thinking SIMPLE. The single hardest thing anyone can do. SIMPLE. The straightest, most accurate solution to something so simple that it seems there's nothing for us to do...but we're going to do it anyway, and better than the next guy.

    Hey, I figure it's worth a shot for a couple of weeks, but if it doesn't work...eh...we'll come up with something else...I'm flexible (well...as flexible as someone who remembers the Civil War can be...)
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    sounds cool
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    Definitely sounds like something I'd be up for! My one complaint about most of the Community Activities we've got now is that they all tend to focus on how pretty your picture is, with the thought put into the piece largely ignored. Or at least their reward system does. Having a person grading, rather than a popular vote would be a nice change of pace. It should make for a good balance with the activities we've got.

    Looking forward to this!


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    i think id be in on this, just might need someone to kick my ass and force me to do it everytime. But it sounds really cool otherwise.
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Cool, sounds awesome.. I would be in =)

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    Sounds awesome.
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    This is boring.

    just kidding, i'd love this!
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