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    Concept Art?

    Hello. As you may see from my post count, I am quite new here.

    Originally, I found this site through a normal google search; and what I searched for was concept art. Conceptart.org! Awesomeness prevails! A site dedicated to one of my greatest passions.

    I had the kind of images you find for productions in mind. Art where's theres a conept in mind; either characters, landscape, costumes, or any kind of idea being "picturized"(with a lack of a better word:/ ). Anything that involves a design that is visual. That is, really, how I have always regarded concept art; the idea of communicating with profound meanings, giving away political opinions, or making the viewers do intricate interpretations , is not the meaning at all here, its not important. Neither is a study of the human body or still life, or a painting that doesnt seem have a specific design in mind. That wouldnt be concept art, but... um... artsy art and study art. And thats the reason I typed those words into google; I like the visual designing aspect of it. I have never cared that much for interpretations and that stuff.

    However, I have seen alot of work around here that, in my opinion, cant be classified as concept art. I have seen images that obviously has the sole purpose of being artsy with profound meanings; images where people utilize crazy techniques and brushes. For example a picture of two dancing figures, but where you really cant define the details on the figures; so theres no costume design involved. Just really really crazy brushes made in PS that together forms this shape. That would be a typical scenario ragarding the theme of this post. When things get to artsy, and you end up with an image where there's no visual designed ideas. No costume, no character, no landscape etc etc. Another one is the kind of images is where you stay 100% true about reality; a still life or the study of a human body. Where concept design in that? I dont really want to make examples from the forums, and hanging out people in my post, but personally, I have seen alot on artsy art and study art that I personally wouldnt see as concept art.

    I hope you get what I am getting at here (never been good with words :/ )

    Now, I am not sitting on my high throne here, and saying I am an allknower. Cause I aint, and I truly stand humble in this regard; for all I know, I may have been getting this concept art idea aaalll wrong. After all, the reason I am making this topic is because I havent seen anyone else complain or make remark about what I am saying here. I made this topic just to say my opinion; something that has been concerning me, so that I may be corrected, or maybe cause a debate.
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    The answer to your question is that "concept art" is a subset of "illustration", which is a subset of "art". One has to develop a certain proficiency at "art" and "illustration" in order to become a decent concept artist. Since this place is about learning and growing, there is no way that the non-concept-art stuff can be left out. It is vital.
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    My apologizes to the original poster for deviating from the topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seedling
    The answer to your question is that "concept art" is a subset of "illustration", which is a subset of "art".
    I would have to slightly disagree with that statement. I've seen you bring it up before and I would like to clear things up. Much of concept art has connections to illustration, however there is another part of the tradition that has ties to design - industrial design, architecture, set design, theater, etc. I think a more accurate statement would be to say that concept art is the intersection of illustration and design. However that still isn't entire correct as there are concept artists that do work that is mostly illustrative and those that do work that is design oriented.
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    Distant skies, there are illustrators here, and there are fine artists, and animators and sculptors. Not just concept artists. Which is why there's a section entirely dedicated to self portrait and one dedicated to master copies. Because you can do many processes to learn art. Heck, Android is a concept artist and he does abstracts airbrush bodypaints and he did a thousand self portraits. You can't take the name of the site as gospel.

    Also, there is more to concept art than costume and vehicle design. There is also mood painting and those can be quite loose and artsy.
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    yes ok. I see where you guys are getting at. and of course I agree that to do nice concept art, you need to know your art theory, anatomy, portraiting, and all that shenanigan; but then again, the name of the site is conceptart, yet, what I have concieved as the main part of site; "its finaly finished" has a lot of still life studies and fine art, which I personally think is kinda misleading to some. and personally, I think concept art, and fine art and all kind of studies should have their respective places in that regard, with the concept section placed on top. but then, that isnt a discussion for this part of the forum. anyways, thanks for responding, and I hope you guys havent concieved me as a whiny bastard ;-)
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    "concept art" is the communication of an idea or "concept" the concept can be something as concrete as character or costume design.... But it can also be a nebulous construct like an emotion or a situation.... what we are all working on including those things you deem "Artsy" is visually comunicating an idea. Thus "concept" Art

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distant Skies
    and I hope you guys havent concieved me as a whiny bastard ;-)
    Too late.

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    I don't want to sound blunt or abrupt here, but does it really matter? Really?

    If someone solely drew concept art all the time, without any studies, fun scribbles, experimentation, happy accidents, rough sketches and so on, I imagine it would get pretty bloody boring. Plus, looking through some movie art books I have, a lot of the concept art is not polished and refined. It's rough, blocky, gritty, and sketchy, but it's still concept art.

    This site gets me drawing. In fact, it has gotten me drawing regularly and I have improved (albeit slowly). And it has done it for many, many other people as well. The fact that its main focus is concept art is a nice perk, but it's not the sole purpose I come here. I'm here to learn, to interact, not only to observe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike yamada
    I would have to slightly disagree with that statement. I've seen you bring it up before and I would like to clear things up. Much of concept art has connections to illustration, however there is another part of the tradition that has ties to design - industrial design, architecture, set design, theater, etc. I think a more accurate statement would be to say that concept art is the intersection of illustration and design. However that still isn't entire correct as there are concept artists that do work that is mostly illustrative and those that do work that is design oriented.
    Well, then I challenge you to explain where illustration stops, and industrial design, architecture, set design, theater, etc. begin. Couldn't it be said that illustration is an essential part of those things? That's how I see it.

    Also, if you can supply a definition of "design" that everyone agrees upon, I'll mail you a batch of homade cookies.
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    Distant skies i don't see you as whinny, but more or less just unsatisfied with the answers you have been getting, b/c they are still unclear. They all have good points but then they are all still opinions. Since you brought this up i have become curious as well.

    In my opinion concept art is the combination between design & illustration, but i feel that what matters at the end is if you get across what ever you are trying to show; design, emotions, mood... etc..

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    these are some things that i have found, and i not saying these are 100% either just some information on what conceptual art.

    conceptual art
    n. Art that is intended to convey an idea or concept to the perceiver and need not involve the creation or appreciation of a traditional art object such as a painting or sculpture.
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    Conceptual art, sometimes called idea art, is art in which the concept(s) or idea(s) involved in the work take precedence over traditional aesthetic and material concerns. In some cases, Conceptual art may not entail any art object per se, but instead manifest solely as documentary evidence for an "art idea". In other, less extreme cases, Conceptual art may involve the construction of images and objects in a manner that frees the artist from their traditional role as a maker of aesthetic decisions. To give an example, many of the works of the artist Sol Lewitt may be constructed by anyone simply by following a set of written instructions. This method was fundamental to Lewitt's definition of Conceptual art, the first to appear in print:
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    J.Mac – “conceptual art” is something very different from “concept art”.
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    Design is purpose. Whether it be for the purpose of building a utility or character or turning the viewer's eyes around the page/building/website/clothing etc, or directing the audience to become a participant in the experience of emotion.
    et cetera et al.

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