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    When you were asking whether comic drawing would mess you up, what I was thinking is that it will only mess you up if you obsess over it and do nothing else but copying someone else's comic style. This year I see that you are doing a lot of things out of your head which is a great step. Maybe you can take this cartoon style on the road and do some daily sketch group exercises.

    I think people are right about the drawing from life. I just signed up for a basic drawing class, but mainly because it is the prerequisite for the figure drawing class I want to take next semester. You need to find a way to look at some actual things now and again to draw them. Listing often draws a doll. As you may have seen, I sometimes draw my little wooden mannikin in a pose without trying to give it human features. I am trying to draw actual shapes and shading I see right in front of me. You learn a ton from that, seriously. Before I spent time to seriously look at a tree I was basically a moron. I would tell you "Oh, trees are green." The truth is that trees are like ten or fifteen different colors at least. I just never noticed until I tried to draw them from life. Faces are the same way. The better you get at seeing, the more you will like to look. You'll get lost in it but it will be fun. Thanks for stopping by my book.

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    here are more of my cartoon reference work. Learning a style can be boring.

    Thanks Arttorney I learned somethings from your book and your advice is dead on about the figure drawing classes but I'll need to hold off on those because I have to start a new job with a rotating shift. And that will kill any courses on life drawing or whatever i'd never make it two weeks in a row with my schedule each week starts at a different time.

    But really enjoyed your alternate style

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    Here is a wip for my entry for this month's Stylized Animal Compeitition its obviously about Octupi

    This is the result of the work I've been doing drawing cartoons. I can put an idea to paper with far more ease and I can work a real subject into a more cartoony form i really couldn't before.

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    Here is the remainder of my work with cartoons this month I think I am improving but only time will tell.........

    Edit: Wow that was the end of Page 1, was a great page to begin, I learned alot and now on page two I plan to eventually launch my very on Comicstrip. I dont have it written now but it will show up on page 2 be sure of that!!1

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    If variety and freedom in expression is what you're going for then cartoon definitely hits the mark. If you are interested, I recommend checking out Jack Hamm's cartooning the head and figure

    I really don't know how much girls to draw to get to where I am now. I'm nowhere near where I want to be, guess all we can do is keep drawing.

    If you are interested, here are some other tutorials. They're manga based, but the underlying principles should apply to cartooning as well.

    Drawing the Manga Eye: a Brief Guide

    Digital Coloring - The Lazy Way

    How To Draw Heads Front View

    The rest can be found here:
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    The Last of Bruce Blitz Cartooning and the Beginning of Jack Hamm Cartooning.

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    Getting better with each sketch. Keep it up buddy.

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    just stopin' by to see how you're doing. Cartoons are looking pretty cool. Remember that realism will also help you draw cartoons better also. Although it is good to study cartoons to be able to better express yourself I guess. Serves for a nice loose, and fun style. Try to darken your lines. Think about inking your drawings or drawing them completely in pen.

    keep up the studies.

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    Hey Nico, I apologize, I only just got your message regarding your cartoons and critting! Here are my two cents on the subject:

    You are doing well at emulating a quirky and marketable cartoon style, but I don't see "you" in your artwork yet. While you could get some freelance for artwork like this, possibly along the lines of clip art or spot illustrations, I have to be blunt and say that I feel like I've seen your work before... meaning, it's been done by a lot of people already. I see some great exploration and thought in your sketches, in that you are constantly trying different combinations of facial parts and you are thinking things through to an extent. But I see you going in circles and I think you need to step things up a notch in terms of character and expression.

    There are thousands of members here who will drill the importance of studying anatomy into your head, and I back them up. You need to know what you are trying to abstract before you go and do it. But since you want a stylistic focus, it's time to start looking around for new reference and to expand your vocabulary. A book to pick up is Cartoon Modern:



    While it won't teach you step-by-step character design, it is a wealth of simplified and expressive characters to look at. My copy gets regular use Other places you would want to check out are Drawn! and the CHaracter Design Blog for some really solid stuff.

    And that's all I have to say on the subject! Still up for a thunderdome? ^__~

    Edit: One last thing - SLOW DOWN. A lot of your sketches are quick and loose, but in a rushed sort of way. Just relax and let go of your attachment to the outcome!

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    You know the option when creating your profile that reads.. CRAP JOB that was made for me. I hate work but, I hate not working even more. BTW i work at BASF this was one of our brochures.

    Lots of people to get back to.

    Jeri thanks man, I've been really trying hard to develop my skills as an artist up until now. I'd already got the book just before you suggested it. A logical progression from cartooning is anime, hell they are pratically the same.

    Scott James thanks you far far too kind.

    Wake101 yep thats what I hear, Start from life, start from life... i should have listened sooner.

    S. Laberis Wow, I mean this is definitely the best and most thorough advice and direction I've gotten since I was here. Besides what I've read in other sketchbooks that is. I haven't seen that specific book yet. I've got to get myself to a Barnes and Noble soon then. Sorry if your abit disappointed my style well my style doesnt existence or rather it is still in it's infancy.

    That last bit "Slow Down" that's exactly what I haven't been doing. I feel so behind, and if I rush through the subjects and copy everything in sight then I'll become better faster. But it seems that's not the right path.

    ThunderDome............SURE!! I'm a man of my word and it about time I honored your challenge. Of course now there wiil be no unicorns or pet rats,
    allowed.

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    This was pratice with a wallet texture

    I wanted to create a unique texture and the pattern filter worked well here.

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    Cool beans man. The cartooning exercises are paying off. Liking the wallet texture, would love to see more from it.

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    hey man, I see ya haven't posted in a bit. Is it cuz cartoon month is over?

    I recommend you use straight lines for all of your figure work for now, look up Bridgeman in your local library, and you'll see what I mean. later my sketchbook should have examples of what I'm talkin bout.

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    Hey, I just joined the site, looked through your sketchbook and you're improving. You’re definitely going in the right direction. Keep drawing.

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    I must apologize to everyone. I haven't been updating lately. I'm regretably sorry for that. I wish to update my sketchbook at this time.

    I hope you can see my efforts in the past three months. All self paced and self taught mind you. There is also a multitude of studies and exercises that you will not see half out of embarassment half out of overall messyness. But rest assured I havent been sittin on my ass the entire time.

    Also note that these will not be in order chronological or any type of logically


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    thanks, I sincerely hope that I continue to improve and I'm glad you see it.

    TGing glad you asked, the main reason I didnt or havent posted anything is because my Internet Service was lost. Also that Job thing I mention was killed me literally. Thanks for asking.

    Envisor yes the cartoons have a way of really just you to think freely with your lines and rid you of that fear of making mistakes. I often hesitated to "spoil" the pages til after I studied cartooning.

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    Nice to see you back dude. Real improvements here especially on faces and on line quality. Keep up the updating man.

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    This is the second update: The following are some "some" of the model and expression studies I've been doing.


    Envisor its good to be back I checked your progress........Man oh man you fit right in here with these other ART Monsters on the site

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    Here are some of the simplfied models I copied from a book for practice.

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    This will be the thrid update. I think i just overworked my scanner. I hope its not broken.


    This isnt all I just had to exclude some things that were lacking of specific purposes (A.K.A. doodles)

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    Fourth Update in a line of outdated updates

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    Talk about past the expiration date ...........man these are practically decomposing

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    If the steady white blair hasnt frighted you by now.... well just wait.......

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    I SCANNED AND SCANNED AND well you'll see

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    When will all the scanning end .......well maybe try the next page BRAVE VIEWER

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    What now you guessed it. More scans

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    I promise these are last scans .......... for night that is.

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    You been workin hard it looks like nico. For a while I thought you threw in the towel but now I see I was very wrong.

    I see a ton of improvement dude. Everything is starting to look very very solid. I especially like the eyes and the lips studies. Just keep going and please keep posting. If you've got it, post it.

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    WAKE101 thanks alot man I'll drop by later and comment. I'll love to see your updates.

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    You're making a lot of progress!
    A suggestion though, don't outline your drawings so hard if you want to make them look realistic. Also, try adding more values into it to make everything look more 3d.
    Your eye and mouth studies are really nice, I can tell youre trying really hard. Keeeeeeeeeep it up

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