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    Fledgling in the Making- Still trudging along.

    Hi, I'm new to ConceptArt. I felt like participating in the community after having long been a lurker. My name's Heatherly, and I'm seventeen years old. I've loved art my entire life, but I want to improve my drawing skills for now.

    I feel like I'm struggling against gesture somehow. Any tips? o_o And please ignore the Spanish; I'm only in Spanish 1 right now.
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    I'll be posting my fundamental stuff soon. I need a lot of practice with that.
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    Better quality than the other pictures? I don't have a scanner that works right now, so I'm using my digicam.

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    Good start to your SB, and good to see that your starting out early, i wish i had started drawing back when i was 17.

    Start out small then work your way up to bigger tasks...Work on keeping your lines clean and not stratchy...

    Draw tons and tons from life, friends, objects, whatever it may be...train your eye to see whats there and not what you think is there....

    pick yourself up some anatomy books, loomis, bridgeman are good places too start

    but keep at it...dont get frustrated...and keep drawing! =)
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    The first rule of Warrior Style is, You do not stop drawing.
    The second rule of Warrior Style is, You DO NOT stop drawing.

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    Here's what I did today.
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    Thanks, Act.Appalled. I'll keep what you said in mind. I'll grab the Loomis book from online and get started.

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    Sketches of friends and a teacher of mine.

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    I'm working on proportions from the Loomis book in my other sketchbook, so I'll take a picture of the pages later.

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    Man, I didn't realize that some of those dudes are leaning to the left.

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    Some useful starting tips;

    Use as few lines as possible.

    When hatching- make sure you don't just "cross-hatch" like a teacher tells you to do- it completley flattens out a picture, totally defeating the intended illusion of 3D form (On a 2d surface.) Try to shade more "Along the forms' as it may be explained to you. If you imagine the wire-frame on a 3d model, and apply it to real life- your hatch marks should be parallel with those lines.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Oaksford
    Some useful starting tips;

    Use as few lines as possible.

    When hatching- make sure you don't just "cross-hatch" like a teacher tells you to do- it completley flattens out a picture, totally defeating the intended illusion of 3D form (On a 2d surface.) Try to shade more "Along the forms' as it may be explained to you. If you imagine the wire-frame on a 3d model, and apply it to real life- your hatch marks should be parallel with those lines.

    Good luck!

    Ahh! It makes a lot more sense now, thank you.

    Here's what I did during school. Lot less gestures because I actually had to do work in the class. The pictures murdered the rendering of my hand, but there's not much that I can do.

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    Here's a more finished piece compared to what I've been posting. I need to work on faces!

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    Just keep going til you get a scanner... then the real fun begins!

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    Yeah, really!

    My friends really enjoy getting drawn. O.o

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    Some books to ask for this holiday season: George Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing From Life, Drawing Lessons From The Great Masters by Robert Beverly Hale, The Natural Way to Draw by Kimon Nicolaides.

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    Actually I don't think The book by Hale will help you yet.. It's very analytical, and to really absorb anything besides the pics out of it you gotta comprehend most of what he says... Bridgman is pretty much an "Any level" book, it generally shows his fashion of "Massing the forms", an often used technique that allows you to remember muscle and skeletal masses simpler and easier. I haven't got Nicolaides' yet, but I would assume from what I have seen done from it, it too is an advanced book- though don't take my word for it.

    But definitley Yes on the bridgman, but maybe wait on the Hale book. In fact, Bridgman will help you to understand what Hale talks about- Alot of Form, anatomical landmarks, massing, directing the form in perspective, etc.
    In Hale's book, there really is no beginner section, and it isn't "How to draw a knee the Michelangelo way!"- It's more about showing the knowledge the Great masters had, and how you can use that information to supplement your own findings. A good beginner book though, is "Drawing on the RIght Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards. It states alot of obvious things, but sometimes things you "know" need to be re-iterated for them to be forever impaled in your mind. It does a good job of that, so go for that one too.

    Dover Publishing has tons of 6 dollar books with TONS of plates from Sargent, Dore, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Raphael- TONS of great artists. I would get a few of those to look at as well!

    Good luck!


    I am also curious why noboy else is really posting- you are doing a great job of updating and you aren't continually bumping your thread with "look at me!" posts like alot of noobies do. So far you are fitting in great, just keep listening, looking, and drawing!


    PS- My friends love getting drawn as well, they just hate putting in the VAST effort to Sit still for 30 minutes...

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    George Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
    Drawing Lessons From The Great Masters by Robert Beverly Hale
    The Natural Way to Draw by Kimon Nicolaides
    "Drawing on the RIght Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards

    Dover Publishing has tons of 6 dollar books with TONS of plates from Sargent, Dore, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Raphael- TONS of great artists. I would get a few of those to look at as well!
    Thanks to both of you guys for the book recommendations.

    I actually have some Bridgeman books and the Nicolaides book. Bad me for not using them. I had checked out "Drawing on the Right side of the Brain", so I'll try to get that one.

    I was thinking it was the picture quality, but that's probably just me. I dunno otherwise, so thanks for the comments! And will do on the listening, looking, and drawing! I try to be quick when I draw my friends, but I sometimes have to wait for them to move back anyway.

    Here's what I'm working on right now. I'll get to his face tomorrow if not later tonight.
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    Good progress I want to see face soon. Thanks for commenting on my page. Seventeen huh wish i started five yrs ago too.

    Critique, well I know digi camera but I'd be the first. I see your your shapes and I have to ask if they are sharing the same light source if not just ignore this next bit. The shadows cast by them it not quite proportion to the lighting and shadows dont share the same light source.


    Also I saw you turned that cat into an espeon (see Pokemon) I played that a loooong time ago.

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    Honestly, I think right now you should focus on line-work and getting a decent handle on drawing from life using smooth and confident lines. Lines can describe form- although it is much tougher to do it without the help of value- But you should first do as best you can to get your lines to display form. Every so often I recommend doing value scales (12 boxes or so, spend about 2 hours on each dozen. Make sure to squint alot!).

    When I started out (I am going to post to an old sketchbook. DO NOT POST IN THIS SKETCHBOOK- FOR IT IS OLD. REPEAT: DO NOT POST IN THIS SKETCHBOOK.) Here is the link you SHOULD NOT POST IN:

    Anyways- there is SO MUCH useful advice I was given in that thread... when you have some free time, I recommend finding every post longer than 3 sentences and reading it... I started out approximatley where you were, so maybe you can absorb all that info without waiting for others to feed it to ya!!

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    NicoRaven: Thanks for the comment. About the shapes, I had no clue how to make the cast shadows proportionate. I still have no clue, and I haven't found anything about it on the internet yet. I tried having the light source come from the top middle and act like the sun. The different circles are there because I had some trouble shading circles, so I copied some that I saw on one of the beginner threads here. That's the picture you're talking about, right? The shapes in perspective? And, yeah, I used to play Pokemon a lot when I was little. Nostalgia.

    Justin Oaksford: Yeah, that sounds like a good idea right now. I gotta start putting in a lot more hours into this and getting my homework done so I don't procrastinate. I remember seeing that thread. Thanks for linking me to it. Thanks for all the help you've been giving me. I really appreciate it.

    I took my time doing these. Took about two hours this morning for the whole page. I have all day to draw (stayed home from school), so I'll be posting later as well.

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    Alrighty, let's see the stuff you did today then! =3

    The lines on the last are nice and smooth and confident. 2 hours? That's pretty long- but it's also a good thing you are that patient.

    (I'm not that patient.)

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    Here's what I did yesterday and today combined.

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    Did a self portrait. Haven't done one of those in so long.

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    Good keep adding them up. Even if your line work doesn't immediately improve you should be able to interalize the anatomy better in your head. Then a 2 hr drawing will be 20 minutes and then 5 mins.

    Good work on the fundamentals. Nice poses.

    P.S. All in one scanner printer copiers on sale Walmart less than fiftie bucks. Then it will be clear crisp scans not flashed up digital images work we all can see.

    Listen to that Justin guy he has been where you are I hate him cause he is better than I but has good advice and such. Copy Paste his advice.......

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    Thanks, NicoRaven. I'll take a look into that all in one scanner.

    Here are some blind contours and a figure from imagination that I did this morning before hitting the road to the doctor's.

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    Good to see your still working hard.

    Instead of Trying to draw a car try to build the car using 3dimensional shapes. You will find that you can create a 2d image that looks 3d on paper.
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    I just recently bought "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain," so I hope to start working through that soon. I haven't done much lately because of make-up work and final exams next week.

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    Hello love!!!

    Awesome art!!! Can't wait to start posting some of my works daily.

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    hi, one important thing (though it has nothing to do with your art itself) would be to improove the quality of the pictures you post. Sometimes it is realy hard to tell what's going on. if you take photographs of your work, make sure the lighting conditions are good, a tripod can also help a lot. Also if you take digital pictures and have access to software like photoshop you can alter contrast and brightness. In photoshop there's also a very handy feature called "auto levels" try it out (it can be found under image>adjustments>auto levels)

    good luck

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    Oblivion: Thanks! I'd love to see what you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by farbtopf
    hi, one important thing (though it has nothing to do with your art itself) would be to improove the quality of the pictures you post. Sometimes it is realy hard to tell what's going on. if you take photographs of your work, make sure the lighting conditions are good, a tripod can also help a lot. Also if you take digital pictures and have access to software like photoshop you can alter contrast and brightness. In photoshop there's also a very handy feature called "auto levels" try it out (it can be found under image>adjustments>auto levels)

    good luck
    Thanks for your comment. Yeah, I know the pictures are really hard to see. I use a digi cam, and I have been editing everything in Photoshop 7.0 to the best of my ability. I try not to use the auto stuff because of all the dark gunk around the edges. But I'll start using it if it helps more than what I've been doing.

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