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    Your sketchbook shows real progress; it was great seeing you work on nailing those forms/contours in your line drawings. I also picked up a few pointers/sparks of inspiration about my own process from reading this thread. Thanks!

    My only piece of advice would be for your monochromatic studies - and that is to really experiment with your value range. See just how dark and how light you can paint things before they start to look wrong. I'm only just getting to this myself, but have found it to be another useful step on the way to believability.

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    Hey dude! Been REAL busy, that's why I haven't posted anything yet. I got PLENTY OF UPDATES to come soon. I am currently attending TAD full time so I'm jumping from one assignment to the next all the time.

    Thanks for checking in though.


    There's plenty of improvement here. I'm really enjoying those latest figure drawings. You're exploring new mediums with which to draw with, which is a very very good thing. You're using toned paper to serve as a mid tone which is awesome. Is that white chalk you're using? Some of your drawings have proportion issues, but they're looking really good for the most part.

    One thing Dorian Iten stresses is getting those early proportional issue figured out before moving to higher stages in a drawing. The approach they've been teaching us at TAD is to 1) check horizontals and verticals (to "frame" the image), 2) then come in with diagonals, 3) then check all your measurements, 4) and to pay very close attention to the light, mid-tone, and shadow shapes. One thing John English mentions over and over again is that an image is essentially an arrangement of shapes. Just hearing him say this has already changed the whole way I look at an image.

    I hope this feedback helps. Keep up the good work!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Pryminista View Post
    One thing Dorian Iten stresses is getting those early proportional issue figured out before moving to higher stages in a drawing. The approach they've been teaching us at TAD is to 1) check horizontals and verticals (to "frame" the image), 2) then come in with diagonals, 3) then check all your measurements, 4) and to pay very close attention to the light, mid-tone, and shadow shapes.
    Sorry to intrude on this thread and comment to Mr.Pryminista (it was perfectly by chance).. but I have to comment that this is some of the exact information I picked up at Barnstone. It's cool to see that others are learning and using this information. (Also you would find horizontals and verticals at regular intervals throughout the subject to establish a rhythm).

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    the feltip drawing are pretty nices
    i think in the last drawings you need to relax before drawing, sometimes it works on me. post 496 seems more relaxed drawings (and prove and u can do better)

    good luck with your next

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    Aryeh -

    I had to do a double-take...you changed your name

    Yeah...muscles are a thing, that exists.

    I'm prioritizing the bony landmarks because they dominate the overall form (cranium and jaw).
    The muscles can take million different configurations of influence on the planes. So once you
    have the framework of the bones you can start layering in the muscles, making decisions about
    where values will go.

    Wow, that was windy...LOL

    Istmin52 -

    You are correct, sir.

    LordVenom -

    I was hoping somone would notice the samurai . Its an idea that I had to push out,
    been in my head for a while, I've got others too, of course, just need to justify the time

    As to studies, its a matter of priority, as you can tell, I don't really spend time on other
    kinds of drawing, much. You have so many quick finished pieces..so I can be jealous too

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    Welcome to my sketchbook!

    Hmm...yeah value contrast...working on it!

    Mr.Pryminista -

    Busy is good.

    TAD; awesome, cool. Pick their brains mercilessly.

    Yes, proportions before forms...I get all psyched out and forget steps.

    MR. Iten is an incredible technician, you'll learn a lot from him...take lotsa notes.

    p sage -

    Not intruding...interjecting! ...or reiterating

    Yeah what Pryminista said sounded a lot like Barnston'es approach from the videos I saw.

    Since you guys sorta had the same comment I'll reply to both

    It seems to me that the TAD has a very fine art and illustration oriented method. Pure image-
    making, the construction of single composition for narrative or aesthetic effect. In that world,
    its true, everything is just a harmony of colors and shapes.

    Most of my self-teaching has been more along a line of analysis, deconstruction, and categor-
    ization of forms and materials. This is partly because my mind is obsessed with Form, and also I have
    a hard time working with things that I don't understand, that is, completely analyze and capture
    in my mind.

    I also see this method as being ideal to create and design things from a concept-art approach.

    That being said...good tips, I will re-read what you two just said and analyze it for future use

    zou -


    Yeah...you know, its really funny (well, ironic). The better the model, the worse I do, usually. The
    model we had that night is pretty lazy, so I wasn't intimidated all, like, "oh God, this pose is awesome,
    better not screw up". I could just relax and concentrate. Gotta work on my meditation techniques

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    Sorry sorry sorry for not being around. You guys are way too kind and attentive.

    Been indulging in my habit of doing a lot of very boring stuff. I have pages of other work
    but I won't upload it (now) since its none of it *new*. Really need more focus and momentum

    As y'all can see, been hardcore value studying. I received a copy of one of Scott
    Robertson's matte rendering DVDs for Chrismas so the clock has been ticking for me
    to bite the bullet and develop my lighting and rendering.

    Been really honing in on how to choose values on a scale of 10. I think that Loomis's
    system (in Creative Illustration) is a bit more true to life.

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    Another one.

    I think the cast shadows are a touch too dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BludHund View Post
    Another one.

    I think the cast shadows are a touch too dark.

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    Swore I wasn't going to give any more critiques but...

    <according to some, an unqualified opinion>
    Agreed; but the background is drawing too much attention to itself because of the contrast with the tabletop. If the cubes are the subject, they should be the most 'contrasty' elements.
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    damn i thought id commented a lot more recently. you are always grinding. show us what you make.

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    your technical knowledge make my head boil in a good way of course, show some juicy stuff too mate! like more naked ladies haha

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    Jason Scanlon -

    Hmmm...yeah, grinding, definitely. Something I never had any patience for in any other endeavor...so why do I tolerate it in art? Need some power-leveling!

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    Lovely figure sketches. I particularly like the line quality in the last set. There's probably about only 3 figures I can see at the moment that's not proportionate. Other than that, no crits from me.

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    Hi, BludHund! It's cool to see you're still drawing and posting! I like your lines in the figure drawings, well done!

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    Beautiful figure studies! I glanced through from the first to the last page, and the improvement in here is truly inspiring. Keep up the good work!

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    I like the figure drawings in the last post especially the last ones.

    P.S.Thanks for your critique!!

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    Good stuff! Do me a favor and change your SB link in your sig to take me to the latest page. Im sick of having to click twice!

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    hey man, great updates since i last visited weeks (or months?!?!) ago, your figure work is getting really solid just update more often, and do more be more confident or whatever youve got the balls to rock this whole art stuff

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    Heya Bludhund,

    Your powerful and insightful comments forced me to check out your thread, not to mention the fact I don't want to slay a kitten.

    There's some pretty bad ass stuff happening in here. But the construction confuses me, it looks like you're more than capable of not relying on methods, like you could just throw down the pain without needing a system. You just aren't.

    Trust yourself to make the marks you want to without putting in all the extra gibberish. It starts to be a crutch, after awhile, you just have to drop it and believe you can walk without it.

    Hopefully, you've got an update brewing.

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    your study's and gesture drawings are amazing .. love the style u use with studys etc keep them comin plz

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    Hey bud
    Good to see so many updates. Figures studies are lookin' good, definitely improvement going on.
    I'm digging the last pen sketches.

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    Oh you might want to check out Scott Robertson gnomon dvd on value scales and shading basic forms. I saw it a friends out it has a unique numbering system. He even uses post it notes to help him shade blocks or vehicles.

    The conteur figure drawings are my favorite out of that set.

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    orochigenocide -

    Welcome to my SB! Yes, proportions continue to be a problem while
    working from life...I get unnerved and its hard to concentrate.

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    Whoah, dude, long time no see. Welcome back! Sorry its been so
    long since I stopped by your SB.

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    Welcome, and thank you.

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    Thanks. I hope I was helpful

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    Thanks, man.

    EDIT: ok, I see on Zou's sig (thanks) you need to have " &goto=newpost "
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    Thanks a lot man I've been super bad lately about updates, I know.
    I've got a gigantic pile of life drawings that need to be scanned.

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    Oh wow, a grognard!

    Thanks!

    Hmm...the construction marks...yeah a lot of times its not strictly necessary
    for the drawing itself. More a combination of analysis and trying to really
    always think form.

    But yeah, definitely too rote/mindless some time I'm kind re-evaluating/
    refining my process right now, too, so we'll see where that goes.

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    Welcome, and thanks!

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    Hey man, wassup! Thanks.

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    DVDs like these...?

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    Hehe. Actually that was the impetus for this values work, I got the 2nd
    rendering DVD for Christmas, and it was time to bite the bullet .

    I love Scott's DVDs on form construction and vehicles...they were a crucial
    wake-up call for my art. You could say they changed my life...

    However I found his system for assigning values a bit weird and abstract.
    Lots of great pointers on technique but the 'halfway to black' method didn't
    really make sense to me.

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    Quick crap update, sorry guys. Just some feets exercise.

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    hey man thx for posting in my sketchbook i really admire ur anatomy studies, i should probably do more of that stuff. i notice with the face studies the eyes are always a little big, which people have but not all people. i think artists tend to subconsciously integrate their own features in the characters they make sometimes. neway, keep up the good work dude!

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    Wow hombre! I leave for a little bit and come back to some interesting stuff. Your studies have become very "cubic" (I think that is the word for it). I really like this stuff. People seem to take on linear forms less organic and more "mathematic" .... hard to find the words for the difference but I do like it.

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    Hey cool, i didnt even know you could do that, i just change it when i get a new page (approximately never) I need to study me some feet. Come on we all know you got another 8 inch stack of studies or something, scan us a few pages

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    Jesus Food -

    Thanks, yeah I do tend to make them kinda big.

    I don't think its really a self-incorporating thing...hehe my eyes look big in that photo because of the 'MySpace Effect'.
    Photographing yourself at arms length causes a warping that makes your features look bigger. Cameras DO lie

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    Thanks. Yeah, playing around with trying to get the sense of 3D and direction (which way is this leg pointing, for example).

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    its not quite up to 8 inches yet...

    Hehe been doing a lot more reading and writing, actually. Trying to get my 'big picture' priorities in order. But don't worry,
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    Looking good, my man. Your lines are kicking ass, and your figures are looking volumetric.

    Waiting for more.

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    I agree with Sage your lines have become very nice, you are truly progressing in every aspect. I like that picture of you holding those DVD's you look happy to have them I put them on my amazon wish list there's vol3 as well complicated curves.

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    Love that figure study in your last post - only crit is that pesky right foot looks a bit like a banana. So I vote more feet studies Keep up the good work!

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    Yo yo yo!

    I'm back!

    I read that you have been doing more writing and reading, working on the 'big picture' in life. That's excellent! We all need to do that from time to time. It's something that I've been doing myself while attending TAD. What kind of literature are you reading at the moment? Maybe we could exchange material.

    Anyways, I was wondering, what other mediums do you use?

    Only crit I got now is not to use straight lines in the shadows. If you're going to work in line, follow the contours of the form in the shadows. This will give the form a more 3D feel. Perhaps you sketched quickly due to time constraints, which is understandable, but in the future really push yourself to follow the shadow forms with your lines instead of straight lines to block in values.

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    Gotta agree with them all, those smooth lines are the first thing I noticed, but not only, you really are growing. Great job in here! Looking forward to more

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