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    What do you think?

    Hi guys,

    Im trying to debate wether or not this might be a scam or not... its sounds slightly sketch, I just dont have enough info.

    I recently requested information about working as a commissioned web developer for someone who posted in the employment opportunity section here on CA. The post can be found here:

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75312

    Apparently the way things work in terms of payment is that the send you a "WIRED PLASTIC" Visa card... basically its a debit card which they do automatic deposits to in order to pay you. The card needs to be activated by depositing a minimum amount of money to the account.

    So heres my dilemma. Normally, contract work involves appropriate documents in order to be paid, usually its a W-9. Up to this point, the only "paperwork" I have received is this card. They have requested repeatedly to activate the card but its been over two weeks and I have still not received any info about the company or appropriate documentation. Ive checked their site and it doesnt exactly scream credibility. I also did a who is check and it seems that although they are requesting U.S. developers, their DNS info points to server located in Russia. They do not have any personal information from me other than my name and mailing address so Im not terribly concerned, however, I do want to ask if anyone here has ever dealt with this company in the past or if they have ever been put in a similar situation involving one of these "WIRED PLASTIC" account cards. Any info would be greatly appreciated.


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    I presume that they are asking you to add money to the card to "activate" it.
    I would imagine (not familiar with these cards though) that they would then have the ability to withdraw the funds you deposit.

    I could be wrong but I wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole.

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    Sounds waay dodgy to me.

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    If it were me I'd cut the card up immediately and toss it.

    Or at least do a check through the Better Business Bureau. See if they have any helpful info on this.

    It all just sounds way to unconventional. And in this business, unconventional as it relates to the business (re: payment) end of things is exactly what we don't want.
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    Thanks guys.

    Craig, the minimum amount to activate is something like $10 so its not like Id be taking a hit but still... it really does seem hella sketch.

    I took Eric's advise and just cut the card up. I havent heard back from the guy since I requested more info about the company so Im gonna assume the worse and play it safe for now.

    I also did a google search for the guys name and it looks like he's been posting alot on several web developer/art related sites.

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    One thing to allllllways keep in mind is that NO respectable employer can legally ask an employee to pay any fees. When any fee is involved, a business must cover/eat any and all upfront costs. Otherwise, it's a scam, or it's legally defined as a club (in which your "fee" is your "membership" cost.)

    Also remember this when an employer asks you to "buy" a work shirt. If you cannot afford the work shirt, it must be provided for you until you receive your first paycheck, and then the cost of the shirt will be deducted from that. Too many younger people on their first jobs fall for paying the employer money for a shirt, when by law, they're not required to at all.

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    Never pay to get paid.

    That's the basic rule.
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    This has got to be some sort of scam.

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    It does sound like a scam as they want you to pay the $10 but there are companies that are using this wat to pay some freelancer to keep over head down but you are left hanging for the taxs and all.

    I would do reseach on the company before anything and I would not pay anything to turn on the card.

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    if thay have problem with turing on the card .. do fnd some to re port them to as this a scam and even the debit card people would love to know about it too.
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    That website is pretty hinky too. It looks like straight stock photos and templates, and most of the "links" aren't.
    I suggest you report the original post so it can be deleted.

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    so they wanted you to put money on a card (that is activated by putting money on it) so they could put money on it?

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    Hoooo Boy!
    Check this out:
    http://www.webbridgeco.info
    is a complete spoof of
    http://www.pedalo.co.uk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell
    Hoooo Boy!
    Check this out:
    http://www.webbridgeco.info
    is a complete spoof of
    http://www.pedalo.co.uk
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    jesus, thats a good find man.

    to the op - would be nice if you could report these guys somewhere and prevent this from hurting others. and at least get this out of the ca job section.. (or better show as a 'watch out for these type of scams!')
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    I was in the store to night and was looking at one of those CoinStar stations and they have a credit card you can charge with the changes you trade in and they even have it in the ad there this card is great for auto-pay roll and can be used to replace paychecks. I betting the people running the scam figure a way to scam the card comapanies as well.

    I think the cards are from Green Spot or something like that.
    I would really call them to let them know about these web sites and all as this could be a very bad scam.

    My other job as computer security I see scam posting in spam all the time but his one new as I am still trying to figure just how they scam you other than I.D. theft of some kind. I hope you didn't give them any real info they could use. you would be amazed how little they need to set you up with a $10,000 or more card in your name and you get the bill they get the toys they buy with the card or even cash by just taking an advance from the card. %400 on the low cards and more with the high type.

    I had a client that was hit witha $100,000 zapp from I.D. theft it was a even more complex as they even interview them for a job and all.

    Every one show always check out acompany befoer interviwing or giving out info . if you post to a Job board don't put tons of info in the online resume. these type of scam have people looking at them as well.

    good Catch Joe I am happy we got them off the board before some got hit or at best I hope no one did.

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    Here's another one guys. They were offering the same card option and everything.

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76664
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    Heres the info he requested:

    Hello Joel,
    We have read your resume and decided that you approach us. We offer a $35
    hourly rate. Is it ok for you ?
    It is a freelance work, so you can make it as much time as you want.
    The circuit of employment:
    1) In the first step you should fill in the folowing questionnaire and
    send us:
    1. Date of birth
    2. Full name
    3. Post address
    4. Your employment (work, study or the unemployed)
    5. How many hours you can work weekly?
    6. Do you prefer to work individual or in a team?
    7. Speaking languages
    We will register a special ATM card for you. (It is used to make automatic
    payments to all our employees. You will be able to cash all over the
    world.)
    Then we send it to your address.
    2) The second step. When the card will be shipped to you, we should
    activate it. You will send us the card number, CVV and expiration date.(or
    activate it yourself by phone).
    The card will be registered in our billing system and we can write a
    contract and to start to work with you.
    3) Writing the contract. Papers will be sent to you with the card or
    later, depends on our managers.
    4) Ready to work.
    We will create the plan of work to do on the each project and specify the
    time needed for each item. Discussing and correcting it together with you.
    We discuss the business matter first and the timeframe and also the cost
    per project. Then we decide how the terms would be and everything. Exactly
    this time will be paid. You may work hardly and finish the project in half
    time, but the full time will be paid as in the plan.
    Or we may pay a specifing amount per job if you prefer such term.

    Waiting for your reply soon.
    Best Regards,
    Jason Park



    This was the last email I sent to him:
    Hi Jason,

    I'm still waiting for more info about your company, including legal/tax documentation for contracting. As of right now, I have not received any paperwork. Forgive me if I seem hesitant but I work under strict guidelines. -J


    Damn. The only thing I gave him was my name , DOB and address, but thats something that could be found fairly easily. I hope thats not enough to have some ID theft happen to my dumb ass.
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