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    Rumsfeld speech fallout

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    when you make a thread that forces us to download something to even know wtf the thread is about, at least tell us why we should bother spending our bandwidth on it...

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    awesome!!!!

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    Damn he even busted out the Murrow. That was a very well written little speech. Even though I'm sure this is going to spiral into a flame war (as political threads always do), thanks for sharing it.
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    All I have to say is that after this speech this man jumped into his 60,000 dollar car drove home to his luxurious home the whole time wearing a thousand dollar suit.

    As noble as his intentions may be to criticize the government I personally find it quite ironic that he speaks of certian figures gaining from their actions, while most definitly he earned a pretty penny from that little speech.

    My opinion of him, and what I wrote has nothing to do with what he said, but simply the fact that I find it quite ironic that he makes his riches off of the people who talks so eloquently against.

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    very inspirational, even for non-US citicens like me... thanx for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugeHarHar
    All I have to say is that after this speech this man jumped into his 60,000 dollar car drove home to his luxurious home the whole time wearing a thousand dollar suit.

    As noble as his intentions may be to criticize the government I personally find it quite ironic that he speaks of certian figures gaining from their actions, while most definitly he earned a pretty penny from that little speech.

    My opinion of him, and what I wrote has nothing to do with what he said, but simply the fact that I find it quite ironic that he makes his riches off of the people who talks so eloquently against.
    yeah, its also ironic though that you have to be that high up in social status for anyone to want to listen to you

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    The moment he pulled the nazi card, I stopped listening. I hate it when people have to pull that crap to make their point. Nazi analogies are like the lens flares of political debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Main Loop
    yeah, its also ironic though that you have to be that high up in social status for anyone to want to listen to you
    Very true. Although the growth of popular blogs and the such is beginning to offer the chance for well written average people to actually be heard. There are quite a few out there that have very large audiences.

    I'd like to think in five or ten years that televised news is obsolete. I would actually then be able to respect the outlets that I get my information from.

    Of course, I'm looking at this thread in completly the wrong light. I just had to write out my thoughts on this guy.


    And I'd feel like a huge douche if I come to find out that this guy is some great humanitarian, giving thousands to charity every year and such forth.

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    HugeHarHar: I'm having real trouble seeing the link here. Is there something I don't know about this guy? Didn't he get rich (assuming he is rich) as a journalist? How is that ironic?

    Maybe you don't actually understand irony.

    theincredibleandy: You should've kept listening, because it wasn't the nazi card at all. It was the Neville Chamberlain card, which doesn't get pulled nearly enough, if you ask me.


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    0kelvin- It's true that I'm just assuming he's rich, I probably should of done some research on this guy before I spat out my possible bullshit. It's also possible that I'm a moron and misused the word "irony". My point was that I have a hard time trusting anyone in their position giving any sort of criticism about any one else.

    Like I said, all of what I said, may just be me proving I'm an idiot.

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    That was some great writing...I expected the nazi card to get pulled but the way he went with it was incredibly well done. Excellent writing really. It sounded like the speech writer used to be an attorney or a master debater, because his argument was deep.

    definitely a worthy watch...thnx for posting.


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    Exactly which Rumsfeld speech was this man referring to. Afraid i haven't caught up with the recent new, so you guys might want to enlighten me. Impressive speech btw. Glad to hear the voice of descent stills booms loudly, and hopefully loud enough.

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    Brilliant speech. Every 20 seconds or so, I'd nod my head in agreement.

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    very interesting. thanks a lot for posting.
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    That was a great, and well needed speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theincredibleandy
    The moment he pulled the nazi card, I stopped listening. I hate it when people have to pull that crap to make their point. Nazi analogies are like the lens flares of political debate.
    This makes me think you weren't even listening to begin with.
    Olbermann said, "In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld's speechwriter was adroit in evoking the memory of the appeasment of the Nazi's . . ."

    Rumsfeld pulled the Nazi card first.
    Olbermann was responding to that and flipped the analogy on him.

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    Yeah that was a great speech! I was a bit dissapointed when he compared the U.S. to Chamberlain's Britain though.... I thought it was a bit of a deflection. A more apt and accurate analogy would be to compare the current U.S. administration to Nazi Germany itself.... that would have taken real balls! But, still, great speech Olberman!

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    oh i've been a keith olbermann fan since his espn days and bigger fan since chuck knoblauch hit his mom with a bad throw. olbermann should have more viewers but then again, as evident from this thread, some people don't have the attention span to watch the entire thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helium Macaroni
    The moment who pulled the Nazi card? You mean.. Rumsfeld?
    Touche, and thank you for clarifying that. In light of new evidence, Olbermann gets kudos for an eloquent speech and an ironically appropriate use of the nazi card. And, well, Rumsfeld just loses.
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    A good speech indeed.

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    It makes me feel sick to hear Rumsfeld talk about moral or intellectual confusion; a man as far removed from any kind of highground as you possibly could be. GREAT comment from Olbermann! The Nazi/Chamberlain analogy feels pretty spot on to me.

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    Sweet! Another U.S. bashing thread! Boy it's gonna be boring when Dems control everything in a couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helium Macaroni
    Partialartist, that link gives a 404 error, were you referring to this broadcast?

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/0...-sir%e2%80%9d/

    This is also an interesting commentary.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/0...ummy-reloaded/
    Yeah, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvertone
    Sweet! Another U.S. bashing thread! Boy it's gonna be boring when Dems control everything in a couple years.
    How is this US bashing? That fallacy is exactly what's being adressed here.

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    The moment who pulled the Nazi card? You mean.. Rumsfeld?
    Bwahaha

    The moment he pulled the nazi card, I stopped listening. I hate it when people have to pull that crap to make their point. Nazi analogies are like the lens flares of political debate.
    While in general I would tend to agree ... Godwin's Law doesn't apply here because it's a valid comparison.
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    i love America!

    NOTE: to all citizens of the democratically elected government...VOTE...'cause you get the government you deserve!

    it's great that people can question government policy, thats what freedom of speech is all about......they should just not make the mistake of defecating in their own back yard...that can have nasty ramifications

    as for this guy.....he was trying to sound too hard like an intellectual...all stiff and verbose like....probably trying to overcompensate for his past career as a sports caster....a bit of a storm in a tea cup....my take is that he's got a career agenda and it has little to do with the pursuit of justice for it's own sake
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    haha i like how you're critiqueing keith like he's a drawing some noob posted.
    puh--leeeease.
    also don't confuse this administration with the united states

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    jrr: isn't it funny how some people can't make the difference between a government and a nation? They don't even understand that is why there are regular elections in democracies: to allow people to disagree with their leaders and change them.

    As for US bashing, if one journalist criticising one government official is US bashing, then everything is. Maybe we should just talk about Disney and Mark Twain...
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