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    Something is wrong here - merged threads

    I am learning how to subordinate details and just indicate them rather than copy them exactly as i used too. Something is wrong with the Henry's Deli Buliding. I think i did well with simplifying the windows but i failed with making the building look like brick. Whats going on here? I cant find the right balance between to much detail and too out of focus.


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    Indian drawing

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    you can add some brick here and there and that might help...the viewer's eye will fill in the rest. I would also sharpen some of your edges of the top of the building so it feels more solid, its getting soft in some places.
    Also, the perspective of the sign is kind of off..should be tilted more to the right...(notice the space between the sign and the first window)

    The electric line is almost tangent with the tops of the windows. Either overlap or move it further away, and the bottom one needs to better separated from the building in the Background. You can probably do this by lightening the top of it just like you have with the top line. And overall the lines are too thick.

    The SUV there on the front is the most distracting thing ...you need to finish that (the top/back) cause its the first thing you see.

    It has a nice feel overall though
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    Kid portrait

    A drawing of a kid. See it sucks to only be very good in prescision because when i have to loosen up and do something very realistic in a short amount of time, I freak out and not know which detail to eliminate. I gotta get better at doing things very realisitc but more looser. It an art form in itself; to know what to include and what not to include.

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    mother of god the shading is good! I love it!

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    Jesus! That's crazy! It's shiny like a stone sculpture.

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    Great work , Although he looks strangely like George w. Bush.

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    amazing but his robes look unfinished.

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    These are really great dude. I'd probably post 'em all together, that way peeps can comment on them all and see them together. KEEP POSTIN' - how long these take you?

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    Very clean, no criticism. Although, I have to agree with Adam, his robe could use some work, but if it'll take away from the face then maybe it's fine.

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    I'd homogenise the shading as it approaches the corners of walls and window frames. Homogeneity of the shading will imply small scale structure, whereas lightening the shading as you approach corners and frames will suggest a slightly bowed, smooth surface as if plastered.

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    I actually think the robes give a glowy feeling. They pull the eye a lot, but working them over would remove some of that.

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    Hey thanks for the kind words. These take me exactly 40 hrs. I put extreme detail into these. I am trying to loosen up though so I can still be realistic but much faster. Its hard for me to do.

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    Snarf,

    I am little puzzled as to what you mean homogenize. Isnt that what I did? How would homogeneity imply small structure? If you can clarify

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    homogeneity in the shading as you approach edges will articulate a surface that is lit due to its texture rather than its geometry. I suppose the net effect can be likened to a surface that is glossy because it is smooth (i.e. has no small scale structure to speak of) versus a surface that is matte because its small scale relief has no consistent normal, and hence is shaded according to the area effect of its texture and light source.

    As for Henry's deli, well there are distinct gradients in shading around window frames, doors etc. This is probably a natural artefact of not wanting to encroach on areas of detail with potentially irreversible shading rather than any conscious decision.

    Bear in mind that my advice is most definitely only a suggestion.

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    i think what snarfevs is trying to say (correct me if necessary) is that youre lighting the building as a whole, instead of the individual components that make it up. If you were to add a suggestion of individual bricks in areas where they would be most affected by the light (high contrast) you can get away with leaving the shadowed ones to imagination. right now though, it doesnt look like you have any at all. if you hadnt said its a brick building, id have thought it was plastered as well.

    i also agree that you should finish the foreground vehicles, and sharpen the edges of your shapes where needed. it looks a bit like a fuzzy photograph right now, bring it into focus.

    nice attempt though. i think with a bit of tweaking, you could make this something memorable.
    keep it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam278
    amazing but his robes look unfinished.
    I agree. Amazing resemblence, though. Charcoal? How big is this?

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    Awesomeness in a box, quite frankly. Nothing wrong.
    You know what they say about little people: two's a party, three's a crowd, and four's a totem pole.

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    dude what size are you working?
    And charcoal or pencil, i must know!

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    simply amazing.. - JAG
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    I really think this is fantastic, a very good likeness and for me personally I like his robes underworked. Charcoal or pencil, you have incredible skill!

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    Thanks for the words guys. This drawing was done in graphite only. Dimensions are 8x10 inches. It took me 40 hrs to complete. very tedious work.

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    Ok I see. I think I still oversimplified it a bit with the brick building.

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    I cant be the 40 hr. mark. I tried. Too much detail

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    George Bush, LOL

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    D: good grief! Well worth the effort, though.

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    yeah we do =D

    cool rendering man. solid portrait. no crits from me
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