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    new Update....this old hag aint got the best of me yet

    hey guys, i need some crits on this piece, its a WIP, and prolly s hould go in the WIP section, but.....u guys are offering some awesome crits for crit week. its a lovely idea. anyway. my colors are bland, i know, but after im done with the initial layin of color and deatail, i plan to adjust the color in photoshop. is there a way to get such color on the first time though? without having to adjust it?

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    Have i already told you that your anatomy rocks? Ya it does...
    Man, my only crits are the orc left leg and knee, they're too thin... and the rock that the drow girl is holding...that seems to be a bull or something like that...

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    he's got a point,the arms are thicker than the legs...not sure if that is so good. the bear's kinda in a weird position,i mean he is strangely twisted as far as i see. doesn't seem like he is lying in the snow either,i guess you need to add some ground shadow to him. the leaves on top of the pic blend in too much with the bg,change the colour for it,because like this it's pushing the whole composition downwards. if you want to keep it this way you need to add some darker shades at the bottom though or it will be unbalanced. really looking good otherwise,let's see more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalango
    Have i already told you that your anatomy rocks? Ya it does...
    Man, my only crits are the orc left leg and knee, they're too thin... and the rock that the drow girl is holding...that seems to be a bull or something like that...
    saw this in the wip forum... it's a bear

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    I think bear needs a bit more attention in terms of details and values. It's a bit confusing right now.

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    the skin is a bit shiny. his horns are uneven.

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    Yayness, Crit-week!

    And now the crit.. : Being as they are horns, I don't know if they would be manufactured for perfection. But I notice that the horns of the orc's helmet seem to be angled towards the Elf, but >I'm< the one that he's growling at.. what'd I do this time?!



    I love the comparisson between his arms and hers.

    I bet the elf is having a total 'Dude, where's my Bow?!' moment (although being as her one arm isn't finished, maybe not).

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    It's kinda odd that's there's a layer of snow on the ground but the tree's look like they're still in the spring and summer months.

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    VALUE! there's light and darks but no middles. and the light has compositional form, but the darks are just all over the place

    and thats how you make it work from the start rather than having to fix it later.

    nice piece BTW, and well worth the effort to make it perfect

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    hey chaosrocks.....can u help me on that? im VERY new to painting color, so, i have NO idea where to go next!!!! i know it needs midtones, but i have NO idea how to do it. is there some info u can give me? yes, i did notice that it all seems the same colorish

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    Is this thing dead? lol looks like a rock to me...porr bear...block your colors a bit more and do some fur and bear details...

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    lol, i havent added detail to it yet....i dont exactly know "how" this is my first piece of this magnitude. my first actual compsosition in color......so im freakishly scared. because i suck at color.

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    you've got a lot of empty space, and its right in the middle, the most important area compositionally.
    also, you can use you values a little wiser. make the important stuff "pop".
    if he just got shot with an arrow, make sure we see that arrow right away.

    my two cents:


    oh yeah, sweet piece, man!

    btw, judging be everyone elses comment regarding middletones...
    i can only assume it appears darker on your screen than mine, because to me its nothing BUT middletones.
    so, if mine appears TOO dark, its a screen thing.


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    Sweet drow ass in the morning! Looks like he's wearing nothing up top but shoulder pads. But her ass is hanging out in the dead of winter so who am I to judge

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    lol, u know...drow are warm natured.....i....guess.....shit i dunno. it never occured to me till now, because when i was making this composition, i popped into my LONG UNUSED world of warcraft account, so that i could find a cool composition. im an orc, and i pummeled this low level elf (reason why shes underdressed).... i thought about even having her armor broken in the snow because in the game, you can break someones armor, forcing them to eitehr take it off, or it be unusable. i didnt even realize tho....that its unethical

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    Quote Originally Posted by marco nelor
    how did you do that?
    i just boosted the contrast in PS.
    as for the rearranging.. i cut and pasted the seperate elements.
    all photoshop.

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    Howdy,

    So, I'm not terribly great with the painting either so I'll make a comment on what I do know about. I think you've got some basic perspective (the figure type mainly) problems here. I remember seeing this in the sketch phase and being like... 'Oh neat, its sort of an up-shot from the elf's perspective. But now that I see you've added the ground, I'm a little confused. I'm guessing she's kneeling on the snow from the position I see now, so two things some to mind immediately, one being 'where is her weight distributed if that is indeed the case?'. The other is, 'Where is the foreshortening on here rear legs, mainly her right one?'. Obviously she can't hold that pose without having a lot of upper body weight distributed to her arms, however the right arm, being pressed into the bears head doesn't look like it's particularly load baring, and you most likely wouldn't want to make that the primary support as her putting her weight on her dead pets face might not be too appropriate. The left arm looks as though it's only steadying her, or isn't showing enough strain to be supporting her well, plus the placement isn't very conducive to holding her balance.

    I run into this problem a lot myself, wanting to do too many interesting things with various limbs and loosing the gravity of the pose. That’s the very problem I feel you have with the night elf. I suggest you move her arm from the tree and put it in front of her so that we can see it in front of her left knee. Not only would this give us the feeling that she's properly grounded, but it would reinforce the proper perspective, which I feel is confusing at the moment. I'm lost between whether we're behind her, or below her. If indeed we are behind her, foreshorten that right lower leg of hers.

    I agree with the comments made about the orc's legs.

    It's looking nice otherwise.

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    oops I did one too, cruder....knock out someof the technicolour



    make it pop

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    Marco, I've been thinking about your ass all day.

    I think this is a very strong piece and Dan's 2 cents are worth a lot more in today's ecomony (invaluable comes to mind).

    I can see the perspective very clearly. The figures are doing a wonderful job of defining it and it seems quite obvious that she is downhill from Mork. It adds a lot to the piece, in fact. Here she is, bare assed, out of arrows, her bear is down (twisted as to emulate death), she is at a tactical disadvantage, wounded, and late on her auto insurance payment. Things are bad. Having her in the shadows just adds to it.

    I like where you're going (regardless of the fact you say you don't know how to get there).

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    Hello

    Hi Marco i new in here, and i think this is justu great man!
    But there only two things that bothers me:
    1 - Her right arm is holding the Bear head, and since the view is from the back perspective, one muscle is appearing, and the muscle in question is the trÝceps.
    2- That piece of arrow in the rigth leg of the Orc, ins┤t suppose to bleed a little?

    But that┤s it, the others things is simply amazing
    good job!
    Cheers!

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    Hey Marco. You know I was just saying to a friend that I can't get enough of your work lately. So much style and attitude.

    Anyways a small crit I have, is that the elf's legs have the nice reflect lights from the snow bouncing off to them, but not the orc. Maybe you just have'nt gotten aroudn to it, but it stands out to me a bit. That and I think it's just a little weird that she's leaning on her bear's face.

    I love the scene, especially the slope of the hill.
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    yea interceptor, i just now got around to resolving the orc's legs!! im so excited, this is coming together!!!!

    heres todays update.

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    hahah, dogfood, yer hilarious man. Yea, shes pretty late on her car insurance

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    looks good.
    the girls left arm is majorly weird, though.
    shoot reference.
    or at the very least, try to do that with your arm.
    you'll see that you cant bend your arm up like that if its rotated behind you.
    (your shoulder blade prevents it)

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    u cant? ive been looking at it and it doesnt seem weird....but i know it MUST be since everyone keeps saying its outta place. but....i cant place it! suggestions? i mean...shes sort of inbetween a getting up, and going toward the orc motion...mid motion.

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    nevermind, i just found a way it works, lol. thanx guys. at least i think it works this way..ill post it in the next update which hopefully will be the finished one

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    More from the light source on the bear's fur to bring him out more and into the action. The colors and detail on both characters are right on though, I love it. Can't wait to see the finished work.

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    one last update before the final piece is done.

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