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    DEPTH of CONTENT in OUR CONCEPTS!

    DEPTH of CONTENT in our CONCEPTS!

    Hey everyone.

    Though fairly new in making post here, I've been viewing threads here for a LOOooong time. Well...

    I've seen, needless to say, INCREDIBLE art here and I have often been impressed and inspired technically and creatively with the subject matter and at times concerned of how much dept/research goes into some of the work. Many here, like myself are professionals and as illustrators, we often must do work that appeals to the client and their market. When we do OUR work or have OUR own concepts revealed, we have the chance to make it something SPECIAL.
    Some of the art I've seen stays within the safe and same old boxes of tired matter. Honestly it's boring and shallow when work is based solely on what has already been tried and proven to sell or be excepted in the MAINSTREAM American and European markets espescially. Examples:
    How many times must we see-


    * The monsters that are supposed to be new concepts which have heads like HR Giger's Alien concept!
    * Predator looking aliens
    * People with the dead boy/girl goth hardcore rocker look surrounded by human skulls galour
    * The sexy femme fatales with bathing suit outfits slaying hordes of orc beast in totally hostile enrivonments that easily rip open flesh? Fan boy fantasy gone wild!
    *Abusive images of beastial men conquering sexy women?
    * Eurocentric D&D standard Dragons with bird/hard nosed turtle beak snouts only
    * Tech Mech Weapons and armor that all look like Gundam's robos meet Halo Soldiers (heck even Halo's look imitates the SOS = same ol' s**t)
    * Demons that all have bat wings and horns ( I could go on for days about why it's lame to ALWAYS have horns on most 'evil' characterrs and why this is totally backwards in its historical, cultural, and symbolic origin!)
    * Hiphop related images with a lack of research or real life experience/exposure in the artist's work being painfully obvious when recent trends, styles, and nuances are totally OFF!
    What is the reason for most vampires still having black clothing and attacking primarily with their mouths/teeth?
    ETC,etc. etc.!


    This SOS must end! There is a new day coming. EVOLUTION IS NOW!

    hollah back!


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    sit in your tower.

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    Battering raaammmmmm!

    DON'T CLICK THIS
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    Does the tower have hawt babes with overly large boobs in them? IM THERE!

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    may i add one?
    -people with eyesore signatures

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    People like archetypes and clichés. That's ok. It ain't broke, no need to fix that.

    Now i gotta do some emochick in bathingsuit with skullz attacking a vampire with hiphoparmor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiedough
    It ain't broke, no need to fix that.

    exactly. Spare me your rant about originality. Now please for the love of god the sig EDIT THE SIG MAKE IT SMALLER and marginally less obnoxious.

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    You mean very few people are actual visionaries with the courage and imagination to invent something new and distance themselves from old cliches?

    Well I'll be straight-up damned.

    *goes to draw mechs and guys in armor*


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    you might want to have more than 5 or so posts before you try to evoke revolutions

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    The problem with your originality thoery is that those dead horses your talking about are what the masses like and what pay the bills . Many of us are trying to make a living doing this stuff . You sound like a wanna be starving artist to me . Why don't you send some letters to the major publishers which ask the artists to do that stuff . Then again I like "Abusive images of beastial men conquering sexy women? "

    DEPTH of CONTENT in OUR CONCEPTS!

    and just about everything else on your list

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    Subjective Validation?

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    *image from THE3rd's portfolio

    Damn those sexy women in skimpy outfits living in their hostile environments! How dare they!

    If you want so badly to have originality in concept art, why don't you show us some awesome original stuff? Original doesn't necessarily mean good.

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    Hello, Is this the proposal desk? Yes, I'd like to make a proposal!

    I think we should have a rule for a minimum of FOUR image banners in the sig, of which atleast TWO should be annoyingly animated, and ONE must be "rather large". The banners should promote an idea that the user sympathises with, such as: "[actor] is hot", "[game] is 0wns joo", "[anime character] is cute", "I'm a member of [clan/group]", to name a few.

    Also, CAPS should be randomly USED here and there in text to give EMPHASIS on select words. COLORS and BOLD does not seem like such a bad idea either, as it SERVES to give each user and IDENTITY. Other "Kr4Zy" ideas include unorthodox SPELLING/5P3LL1NG and misuse of "YOUR/YOU'RE" and "THEIR/THERE/THEY'RE". Let's STRIVE to make this community a BETTER one! And people, don't forget, PUNCTUATION is the spawn of satan, and should be omitted where possible. Damn, there I did it! I'll just have to TRY harder next time! Until then, a cascade of SMILEYS:

    Last edited by Prometheus|ANJ; July 23rd, 2006 at 09:59 PM.
    Jamen jag tror att han skäms, och har gömt sig. Vårt universum det är en av dom otaliga spermasatser som Herren i sin självhärliga ensamhet har runkat fram för å besudla intet.
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    This may get messy.

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    It'd been quite a while since them boys in Haz'rd County'd seen some good ol' fashioned rectal fisting...

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    Yee Haw?

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    Its already one big mess, har!


    Quote Originally Posted by Flake
    This may get messy.
    His images have the same qualities that he consider to
    be bad, so this thread simply has no meaing,

    http://thenao.typepad.com/photos/sel...bum/index.html

    plus orginality is one hell of dificult thing to explain,
    if you really want to be super original you would have
    to start by inventing fire, heck! if thats what it means
    to be original I prefer to keep my gas stove.

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    Alternatively, the CAPS could come gradually and INCREASE in intensity JUST like a NEARING ORGASM in a hentai MOVIE, YES! YES! BY GRABTHARS HAMMER! NOW IT IS BOLD AND RED! MY CAPS! THROBBING! YEARNING TO GET EVEN BIGGER! NGHIIIAARG!

    Oops sorry let me clean that up. [/SIZE] [/COLOR] [/B] [/SIZE] [/B]

    Jamen jag tror att han skäms, och har gömt sig. Vårt universum det är en av dom otaliga spermasatser som Herren i sin självhärliga ensamhet har runkat fram för å besudla intet.
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    lol, Prometheus; dude you never fail to be FUNY

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    Attempting to do something new is very difficult, especially when it comes the arts and entertainment. What may be "new" to us might appear to be a rehashed idea to another person. And with 6.2 billion people in this world, not the mention those who've already passed on, it's going to be hard to come up with something that no one has ever thought of before.

    Hope you have fun on your quest to do "new" art. You might as well try to look for an alternative to breathing air.

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    Wink

    Never would have expected so much misinterpretation and hostility toward the true intent of this post. This IS a place with so many original artist. But obviously some feel like they stand accused of being average and shallow-thus retaliation. There are those (here) who push past the common trends and are aware that innovation is objective. Sure, some things are part of the genre of concept art and they have become standard imagery. Even though I may create within the realms of the usual AT TIMES, I have no intent of making it my focus to do the expected. By the way- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING MY STORM IMAGE! Nuff respect!
    Again -EVOLUTION.

    And about my choice to utilize the abilities of this forum's text capabilities and other functions at my will ...well, that is ORIGINALITY.

    Smile and be an artist.

    Peace & Wisdom!

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    HE'S RIGHT. I WANT TO BE ORIGINAL TOO!

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    no wait. im gonna start a new trend

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    Jfwalls- lookin grrrreat! The yellow is great with your Avatar against the tan backdrop. EXCELLENT!

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    other than his obnoxious signature, what exactly did he say that was so wrong?

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    He comes in here bitching and moaning about how concept art is unoriginal...if he's so original and great then why not SHOW some of his INCREDIBLE SUPER-ART? All I see in his sb is some anthropromorphic crab, and a mortal kombat ripoff on his website.

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    I can sympathise, there is a lot of nicely rendered but rather turdy concepts out there. When you have turd-polishing skills you can somewhat 'rescue' concepts (turds) that wouldn't work otherwise. It's harder to spot a turd when it's all shiny, but it's still a turd underneath the polish.

    IT'S HARDER TO SPOT A TURD WHEN IT'S ALL SHINY

    Jamen jag tror att han skäms, och har gömt sig. Vårt universum det är en av dom otaliga spermasatser som Herren i sin självhärliga ensamhet har runkat fram för å besudla intet.
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    Shiny turds. Good example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus|ANJ
    I can sympathise, there is a lot of nicely rendered but rather turdy concepts out there. When you have turd-polishing skills you can somewhat 'rescue' concepts (turds) that wouldn't work otherwise. It's harder to spot a turd when it's all shiny, but it's still a turd underneath the polish.

    IT'S HARDER TO SPOT A TURD WHEN IT'S ALL SHINY
    true.. theres a lot of 5 star shiny turds... my sb for example.........hohoho

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