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July 4th, 2006 #1
Digital Painting Process: "Rayks Forrest Explorer" Covers Composition and Design
I wrote this in response to a thread posted here by raykart. There's a lot of information in this section about technique - rendering, anatomy, lighting, colour theory, etc. - and less concerning some of the more basic elements involved in crafting an image. This was put together very quickly, but a couple of people have mentioned that the information was useful, so I thought I'd repost it here.
Raykart's image -
My reply -
Composition. It's hard to create an interesting, dynamic image with your subject so central. Look at the attatched image. The pic to the right of the original shows your basic arrangement - a central subject with a symmetrical frame on either side. Not very exciting. But your composition doesn't have to be complicated to be interesting - in the pic to the right of that, I've simply shifted your subject away from the centre, and added some foreground to balance it out. If you have trouble establishing your composition early on, or struggle to break away from symmetrical arrangements, try laying out your image on an oversized canvas then cropping down once all the elements are in place; that'll give you the chance to try different things to see what works.
Design. Your bot looks awkward. That's partly because of his stance, but the design is inconsistent - you're mixing circles and oblongs and large and small masses, as I've tried to indicate with the purple outlines. An easy way to avoid this is simply to base your designs around a single shape which repeat throughout the design. It's a pretty crude approach, but it's a good starting point. Notice that even though my bot ( in the middle ) is very simple and is made of different sized bits, he looks consistent because of the repeated curves. The next pic shows that bot dropped into the altered composition.
Narrative. Your pic has a nice mood to it, but it really isn't telling us anything. There's lots of simple things you could do to add interest here. On the bottom row, I've put in a few examples. First, I've dropped the camera to really show off the size of your bot - you can exaggerate this further with some atmospheric fade, pushing the bits that are furthest away from the viewer towards the background colour. Next, I've dropped in some birds, a cheap trick to push his scale even further, and added some little critters to the foreground blob, which has now become a branch. Why are they there, what are they doing? It doesn't matter as long as it prompts the viewer to ask some questions and get involved with the story surrounding your image. Finally, I've re-introduced the backlight from your original - that will help set up an evocative mood and be a useful way to add definition to such a simple composition.
In my opinion, this stuff really is the most important part of our craft. The bones of your image. Get this right, and the rest of the process will be much easier - your painting should 'work' even if, as above, you only spend five minutes scribbling it out.
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July 7th, 2006 #2
Thanks again for helping me out Matt! It really helped me in how I should approach my ideas and bring them to life. Definitely some great advice there, hope others will benefit from it! I'm not sure how I forgot about the main point of my image - the narrative. The image you came up with is very inspiring - it gets my imagination working and thinking of a story.
(p.s. i got davi to change my username to rayk )
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July 28th, 2006 #3Registered User
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ah, thanks for this!
Question though: after you plotted this out..do you directly paint on top of this greyscale painting using an overlay or hardlight layer?
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June 6th, 2007 #5
I definitely found this helpful. Thanks!
June 7th, 2007 #6
I'm amazed how Matt found the weak areas in the picture and demonstrated them so well. I usually start to draw without thinking much about the composition of the picture. I know that some compositions please my eye more than others, but it's hard to get the right and dynamic composition on an empty paper. That's why i should sketch, sketch and sketch. Also i find the way to sketch the picture in grayscale colors pretty interesting. I should give it a try.
August 29th, 2007 #7
I love it, amazing. Thank you!
My sketchbook: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthr...13#post1006813
December 9th, 2007 #8Artist's Apprentice
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Although I learned all this stuff from school, Matt you have no idea how cool it is to see someone break down another's art piece by piece with explanations and tips. Thanks to both of you!
August 25th, 2008 #9
Such an awesome breakdown tuorial, as someone who doesn't go to art school and is learning the process by trial and error it's an amazing relief when some takes time to unravel just one of the infinite threads of graphics art cosmic quilt.
August 25th, 2008 #10
I'm very pleased to see that people are still finding this thread useful.
Perhaps I can make it a little more useful by drawing attention to the original artist's portfolio site - http://www.artbypavel.com/
To progress from 'Forest Explorer' to his current standard in just two years is a terrific accomplishment, and a vivid demonstration of what hard work and dedication can acheive. I hope Pavel's journey will be an encouragement and inspiration to any beginners who read this thread.
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Thank you so much for this, it was really helpful.
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Wow he's come along way. Thanks for sharing this, Matt.
February 12th, 2009 #15
It helped me alot. Thankyou.
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February 13th, 2009 #16
Some aspects are personally flavored though.
I'd like you to notice that every aspect you add though changes the total effect.
Let's say the original intent or driver were to have the bot look happy, and the sunnyness glow made the bot look like he's about to break out in song or something Disney style. The attention or the perspective was also on the bot's mood and presenting the bot as an item. "Look at me, here I am, happy in the forest"
The elements added changed the mood and narrative. The original might have been a simple one but it was kind of effectively or accidentally brought forward. The idea is to move composition into being controlled art instead of accidental so it is usefull for others to point out some flexibility sometimes, but the idea is that you need to know what you are doing and what you want instead of the result being accidental.
When composition starts you need to have a driver or intent that should dictate all the other choices you make.
The advice is excellent and useful, it will enhance the artists composition skills but you need to apply them in a way that is conductive to the the driver intent. Centeredness has been made into something that folk might learn to blindly avoid, but it has its uses too, you need to know what those could be. Centeredness is not bad and symmetry is not the devil, it's just that you need to know when it would serve your intent to use it or when it's messing with your intent.
The forest went from maybe a more open type forest with pathways in to being a jungle, with kittens in it and anacondas. Hence the WTF? expression feeling congruent.
The birds give a great atmospheric effect but it also has a mood that you might not want.
I think the picture was good; it just needed some cleaned up rendering and perspective maybe. The forest were also a bit simple and flat.
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February 18th, 2009 #17
February 18th, 2009 #18
reall cool !!!!
March 15th, 2009 #19
I like the the robot thats about to sing Disney style!I think it just needs detail the first time i saw the picture it was like its legs were buried in the ground.the tips from Matt were very helpful thank you for showing us how this kind of stuff works
April 12th, 2009 #20
I learned some things here, thank you.
April 14th, 2009 #21