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    Why can't I draw for a long time? Patience and persistance advice anyone?

    Hello,

    Its the summer and I'm trying to do thewhole 8 hour a day drill, but I can't. I can never stay focused for more than 15 mins , my mind just drifts. I love painting in PS from imagination for long periods of time and painting from life, but when it comes to studies ungh, its so tyring (sp?) But I know that my non ref stuff will be in a deadlock without them, and I 'll just keep doing the same shitty comfort zone stuff. Anyone got a solution

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    It's like a muscle, the more you flex, the stronger it gets.

    Relax, you'll become more patient, strong-minded or even fascinated with it the more you try! It takes time, but you have to practice, for example, creativity and patience in the same way as your drawing-abilities, techniques and obersation-skills. It all takes practice. Keep on.

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    aaaaaaaaaah, patience and music, tanks very good suggestions! so why arent u guys drawing may I ask?

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    Being 16 years old and having the metabolism of gerbil might have something to do with it too?

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    so ur saying I should be more lazy to draw for longer hours? hehe

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    Music helps, but one thing I like to do is to do a study, and then play around with it...that way you have fun while doing a study .

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    :3 wow i miss having the chance, to do 8 hours every day
    but hence.. in the real world.. i got something called a 9-6er job
    le sigh :3
    any who...
    its never best to do long hour sessions. straight like that.. you do something for a couple of minutes..and stop..
    do something else or take a break.. and go back into it. The key thing is going back to it. Just trying to put everything into 8 hours... is strenous.:3
    so learn to take little breaks during the time span.

    good luck to you

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    But I do enough of that anyway and thats what I'm saying is the problem, and I got the 8 hrs a day advice from teh Marko, by the way . I heard Lung Bug did liek 12 hours a day or somethin, and have you seen that guys stuff at 17/18? :eek:

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    do you have a link to the advice.. of what he said...im curious.. i think i'll learn something from his advice..

    hmm 8 hours.. *thinks* 8 hours straight!?
    i guess the only thing i can think of is you "have to make yourself do it"
    but i dont see how taking small breaks is a bad idea.

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    -Do 2 hours or 1 hour, then take a 20 or 10 minute brake.

    -Use a timer just to force you not to get distracted by something, not to force your art.

    -If nothing comes to mind, then rest untill it does.

    -Repeat, you will get 8 to 9 hours a day, I normally do, all though I have a minimun of 6 hours for myself....Doing 10 hours is for experienced proffecionals only.


    Explanations:

    The mind can only focus about 2 hours on something, specially while training, because you can´t force your brain to take to much information.

    Your mind and eyes might get tired, if that´s the case, rest is a must, you need bouth .


    After some years of training, you will be able to do even 6 hours in a row, and complete 10 to 14 hours a day...why?..-->

    Because drawings, like anything else is about solving little problems, to create a figure in a specific pose is a problem, a pose you never tryed before will be a harder problem for the brain, but once you solved that pose or several similar poses ( just an example, it applys to everything) you will find easyer to make that particular pose and anything similar, just because is an "already solved" equation...same goes for everything else, including walking or playing sports.


    Why Am I posting right now?...because I´m in one of those 10 minute brakes .

    Good luck to you.

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    2 hours? damn shamagim I wish my mind could focus on something for that long, liek I said above 15 mins when studying anatomy seems to be a limit for me. So far patience and persistence is what I've learnt from this thread, but that topic would require a whole new thread all together, hmmmmmmmm.

    I see elwell peeping in here, any advice on patience and persistence sir?

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    Ah I know that feeling, I stopped drawing for more than 2 mins a day sometime between my 16th and 18th year.

    I suppose learning more of the basics helped me in that aspect, but NEVER do it non-stop, always hold your attention on more than one thing. Get a good book, but something that doesn't need your attention too much. Or maybe a magazine. So just read bits and pieces while you're not in the mood to work


    But as was said, ALWAYS go back to drawing!

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    yah but like I said its just certain things like studying anatomy, its not even difficult at all. I mean everythings in front of you if you have a good book, you just need to draw it. Please read my first post before making any assumptions as to my situation!

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    I'd just like to know where this "you must draw for X hours a day" thing comes from? Draw for as long as it's enjoyable. As you get better and better it will be enjoyable for longer and longer periods. But chaining yourself to your sketchbook and forcing yourself to draw, like it or not, is just going to be counterproductive. There has to be some pleasure in the pain. An athelete can work out for hours on end, a mathematician can work on an equation for hours on end, not simply because they have a goal (winning an event, solving a problem), but because they enjoy the process itself.


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    Simple. Stay in your comfort zone.

    Just expand it slowly to include the things you should be studying, forcing you to work on anatomy or whatever in order to complete something decently. As you improve in those areas, doing studies will be less of a chore and more fun.


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    So I've just got to love anatomy study more. Right! You're like CA's official wise guy Elwell, hehe!

    Labour of love, labour of love, labour of love...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blog
    so why arent u guys drawing may I ask?
    Sorry, I was trying to help, because you were the one asking for advice! How about you quit browsing the lounge and draw?

    Btw, it shouldn't be your goal to draw as much as someone else does, because it means nothing. Liste to what Elwell says... enjoying what you do is a whole different thing than forcing you to do something. You'll get better at it over time, maybe even drawing 8 hours straight, in the end.

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    I quote Marko..."Creating art is like picking up a girl. The harder you try the less you will achive. If you just stop caring, the girls will come on their own."

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    I think Elwell has once again un-nervingly slaughtered another lounge thread, nice going man!

    but I've got another question!: Why wasn't Elwell the all wise drawing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blog
    You're like CA's official wise guy Elwell, hehe!
    I think you're confusing "wise man" and "wise guy".

    There's an important difference (this coming from a wise ass).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogfood
    I think you're confusing "wise man" and "wise guy".

    There's an important difference (this coming from a wise ass).
    Hahaha, class. (Well written )

    Blog, a way to make sure you're still doing something related to drawing is studying/reading anatomy when you're not drawing, or stick a gnomon on. They inspire and teach at the same time.

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    What Elwell said but also maybe take a figure drawing/portrait class?

    Maybe that will help build your endurance.

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    Possibly what you need is a good group artistic activity, such as this ongoing Workshop:


    I've found that people are much more stimulated to work in a group environment than solely on their own. Also, because the goal of the Workshop is to produce quantity as well as quality, there's little chance to get bored, as you might with an extended piece. There's already a lot of amazing work there, anyone is welcome to join.

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    oh! I've got another question, like Elwell said you can use love for something in order to make you do it. Can u use hate in your favour? Liek having the tenasity and arrogance in saying to yourself 'I won't fucking give up!' would that work?, Or is love a better way of going about things, lol this sounds funny

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    blog,

    I think hate is always negative, but competition always positive. The hard bit I found as a student was figuring out how to only judge my progress relative to myself ~ which you can really only do well in the context of competition / comparison with others. I think it's human nature to be motivated by competition ~ I would be lying if I said that I weren't a competitive person, but as I have gotten older, I have mellowed a lot and learned that you gain so much more from giving to other people instead of just expecting others to benefit you. Don't hate your present level, but do be tenacious about getting better at your craft.

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    Generally speaking, anything that comes out of anger is just something stemmed originally from fear, so it's really nothing but fake motivation/empowerment. :/ On the flip side, if your tenacity comes from TOUGH love, "I know I can do better, I won't give up!" Then that's just fine. I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blog
    'I won't fucking give up!' would that work?, Or is love a better way of going about things,
    That'll just bring out depressive thoughts like I can't, how do people do this, or the worst of all...the word talent. Drawing, (like a person's job), is something you can get through the rough parts alot easier by liking what you're doing and developing a basic understanding of you're subject. A human figure is hard to learn to draw...but what part. The arm lenght, the knees, the head's width. Always study you're subject and find where you're weaknesses are and work on those every day...choose you're battles stragetically and eventually the mind can begin recalling what it's studied and things start to get better. Just a side note, I agree that forced drawing doesn't help much. I once sat down to a 14 hour drawing that turned out completely wrecked in the end...never again...2 hrs tops & 30 min breaks.

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    I didn't read all the replies, so I may be repeating someone...but, I find that having a purpose [other than just drawing to draw] helps. Meaning, I'll spend 40 hours drawing studies, if I'm planning on using them for a final piece. The music helps, but try giving yourself a physical goal to work towards. At least, that works for me.

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