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    photoshop vs. painter

    is it just me, or is painter better for drawing in than photoshop...My wacom with painter just seems to have finesse compared to when i use my tablet with photoshop.....anyone else notice this. Has anyone figured it out? Cause I love photyshop, and i want to use it, but...no finesse, it seems

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I think You can get pretty much the same result with both, I love both
and I use both togheter sometimes! the complementing eachother!
If you have used Painter you get the traditional felling, with Photoshop, theres
no such behaviour on the brushes! Although I find Photoshop
more comfortable alot of times! Since I am alot better on
creating custom brushes there.. I think its a personal thing, if you want to use
Painter or photoshop, I prefer both! Painter is more complex though.

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    If you've been using Painter for a while I find you have to customize the brushes in PhotoShop a lot to get them to work for you. I've been using Painter for years because I could never really get the PhotoShop brushes to behave how I want them to.

    I posted a link to Jose Oli's site in the Lounge. Here's a guy who really customizes his brushes to get the desired effect that he wants. Take a look at the small drawing tutorial he posted recently. I've made some changes to my brushes and I'm starting to paint more in PhotoShop than I ever had before.

    www.nibbledpencil.com

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    I could never get around in painter... I definitely prefer photoshop brush engine over painter. But really I think it comes down to your preference..

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    You cannot compare P. and PS!

    They are completely different.

    Painter lets the colors act like real colors, means an oil color has the consistency like a real oil color and of course mixing it with another color Painter will manage as if you were mixing two real colors.
    So if you like to work traditional, Painter is the choice.
    The effects you get can't be done by Photoshop, as PS is in first a prgoram created for desk top publishing.

    But Photoshop is also excellent, you can get the same good results. I worked for years only with PS but today often clients like to get hand made drawings, like watercolor, and for this you can't use PS, so theefore I change to P.

    But mostly I switch between them both, cause I think they complement themselves good!

    By the way: the brush handling can be adjusted in both! PS brushes can work as fine, as the P brushes, but structured brushes are better in painter, I think.

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  • Quote Originally Posted by CaneHoyer
    You cannot compare P. and PS!

    They are completely different.

    Painter lets the colors act like real colors, means an oil color has the consistency like a real oil color and of course mixing it with another color Painter will manage as if you were mixing two real colors.
    So if you like to work traditional, Painter is the choice.
    The effects you get can't be done by Photoshop, as PS is in first a prgoram created for desk top publishing.

    But Photoshop is also excellent, you can get the same good results. I worked for years only with PS but today often clients like to get hand made drawings, like watercolor, and for this you can't use PS, so theefore I change to P.

    But mostly I switch between them both, cause I think they complement themselves good!

    By the way: the brush handling can be adjusted in both! PS brushes can work as fine, as the P brushes, but structured brushes are better in painter, I think.
    Echooo...thats about what I did said, you dont read the posts before you?

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    it really is a matter preference. they each do and do not. but they both compliment each other very well. using them together gets you double results . personally, i prefer photoshop.. but i used it for 5 years before i got into painter..

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    Yes Mr. Dile I read your thread but you are wrong, you cannot get the same results in both programs.

    If I like to have a mixture of chalk and watercolors which has to look real, you won't get this made in Photoshop, cause PS cannot simulate the effects like Painter!

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    Both programs are excelent. If you like one over the other that's no crime. If you use both to compliment the other that's cool too. Saying one is better that tne other is (imho) completely wrong. Why not just say that left-handed people are way better than right hand-ed people (they so aren't). Both can produce a superior piece of artwork, you just have to know what you are doing to make each program excel.

    Besides, MS Paint rocks them both.

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    left handers are better :)

    left handers rule.

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    painter or photoshop

    I started out using only Painter IX to paint as a newbie but recently I've been using both Painter about 25% of the time and Photoshop 75% of the time. Photoshop I feel is a faster and more stable program on my computer at least. But, with brush tracking in Painter, the pressure sensitivity is adjustable to how "you" paint in regards to pressure and stroke speed making it feel more realistic to the user. I'm not sure if its possible to do so in Photoshop. But one major reason I've been working in Photoshop more in the initial stages of a painting is the opacity settings with brushes. example: if you set the brush opacity to 10% and start to paint as long as the pen doesn't leave the tablet the color will stay 10%. In Painter if you travel over paint you already placed it will build over the color wether or not the pen leaves the tablet. But as stated above its all about preference...learn to paint with them both because they both have great and different features.

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    I know this is totally off subject but what if one company purchased the other? Could you imagine the sheer dominance of the program they could produce? Corel Photoshop or Adobe Painter. It would be amazing!

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    In Photoshop CS5 there will be new brush and color mixing behavior like painter have as far as i know

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    Gotta love "Show similar threads" Kinda shows how much this has been discussed enough already. After all why bump a 4 year old thread?

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    I jumped from window xp to my new window 7 64 bit two week ago then look forward to find out what difference I compare between Photoshop CS4 and Painter 11 but not yet until I pick up them at computer store next week so I paid for the special order from Adobe and Corel. Interesting, they are different style program for digital painting. photography, illustration or whatever. I notice they are some similar ideas such as blender, air brush, color plattles, magic wand and other mores. Both are great top software.

    Look at this link:http://www.perpetualvisions.com/new-...painter11.html

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    In some cases when the task is easy, I think painter is more useful than PS. If you just want to remove a very small thing in a pix, using painter is easier and quicker than opening PS

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    Bumskee solved the discussion a long time ago - just check out the amount of CHOWS and COWS he has won... all pure PS.

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    I really don't understand why there isn't a consensus on Painter vs Photoshop. People always say "Oh they're the same, it doesn't make a difference!" Yeah, if you're a novice, it won't matter which you choose. But there is a very clear difference between the two. Painter is for painters. Photoshop is for digital. Both programs cross over of course, and competently so, but there's no doubt that each program has their respect focuses.

    In painter, there are a lot of options that only someone who has painted in real life will understand or be able to take advantage of. Things like physically mixing your paints or the canvas options or watercolor layers. Even the brushes for that matter. There's hundreds of default brushes that attempt to simulate the texture and application of the real life tools. If you just want to paint, but on the computer, and you're not particularly interested in saturating your work with digital techniques, then Painter is for you.

    In photoshop, the focus is digital manipulation, which is more powerful, easier to do, and with an endless amount of options than in Painter. It's just bloated with the stuff. There's a reason why Photoshop is like 3x bigger than Painter. If you want the infinite myriad of powerful digital tools, if you not only want to paint but you want to try doing things to your work that wouldn't be possible with traditional painting, then you should use Photoshop.

    You can always use both of course. But when ppl are just starting out on digital, it's usually better for them to focus on one program so they get comfortable and don't overwhelm themselves. When they become competent in that program, that's when you can explore using the other.

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    Marta Dahlig did a comparison between the 2 issues on the Adam Hughes cover issue in Imagine FX.

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    there is something insanely flawed and short sighted with the concept of using these totally new black magic farting - earth shakingly cool pixel polishing porn snagging devices and their freaky $2000 wacom "pretend you are painting on a glowing glass canvas" input devices to make "paintings". And then handicapping them to paint like natural media. Hmmmm .... virtual acrylics. Virtual Colored Pencils. Something is so inherently flawed with those concepts. It is enough to make an art snob's head explode twice. I get the feeling we are approaching the virtual painting singularity. Some warped hybrid art guy - coder needs to divide by zero and erase this odd virtual throwback stuff we are spending so much of our lives doing and invent a program that lets you paint with light. No wait - we are already doing that right? Why do we even want to make fake oil paintings? Or airbrush paintings that don't use air. Or charcoal drawings with no smutty black stuff. WTF is going on here? How in hell did I ever get swindled into dropping $60K to spend the rest of my life making fake airbrush paintings? No wait. They aren't even paintings are they? They are freaking ones and zeros. No wonder my grandma can't grasp the concept of digital art. It makes no freaking sense. Well at least sometimes it doesn't.

    BTW I like doing my fake paintings in photoshop. That's right P-H-O-T-O Shop. That name is so damn stupid.

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    are your meds working today?
    I'm just asking.

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    I have to agree with macmcrae - why limit yourself to thinking the traditional way when digital painting can be much, much more than that? I like both programs, but I prefer PS because of it's no nonsense approach to it... Painter's brushes are ridicousley complciated, and the program's UI doesn't help much either - just a jumbled mess.

    Daeyeth - your so wrong I can't even start where to describe. I think those "advantages" that your describing about painter are for the most part - just useless options you tinker off and on... which almost nobody would tinker with. i would say the most interesting things painter has going for itself are the more digital approach to creating art - like the image hose, pattern pens, and stuff like that.

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    I think it is interesting that the only guy, (Android) not trying to paint traditionally uses painter to work with, not photoshop, although I've heard he is not exclusively using painter.
    As a traditional guy I always disliked painter myself. The reason was that I know what the things they are trying to mimic actually feel like; so it annoyed the crap out of me.
    Photoshop was always easier for me to use because it doesn't pretend to be something it can't be, which is a real paintbrush and canvas.

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    Yeah, this is the Photoshop forum alright. I'm sure there's a reason why some artists exclusively use Painter. Go to the Painter forum and ask them.

    dpaint - you told me you start in traditional and scan your paintings to into Photoshop which is interesting because there are artists who start in Painter and finish in Photoshop. Painter must do something, whatever it is, that they prefer over Photoshop.

    Daeyeth - your so wrong I can't even start where to describe. I think those "advantages" that your describing about painter are for the most part - just useless options you tinker off and on... which almost nobody would tinker with. i would say the most interesting things painter has going for itself are the more digital approach to creating art - like the image hose, pattern pens, and stuff like that.
    Did you just say Painter has a more digital approach to creating art than Photoshop? You do realize the image hose, pattern pens, and "stuff like that" are all things that Photoshop does too, right? Oh boy, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    As a traditional guy I always disliked painter myself. The reason was that I know what the things they are trying to mimic actually feel like; so it annoyed the crap out of me.
    Don't forget that painter is customizable.
    I hate painter's "gouache" so I made my own gouache-replicating camel hair.
    I hate painter's "real bristle" that is supposedly flat acrylics but in a sucky way - I made my own flat brush.
    I dislike painter's "arteest's oils" - but you can build an amazing oil brush in like 2 minutes without capturing custom textures and stuff - it's all there.

    I like painter's colour blending and it's digital watercolour is yummi, also, colour wheel, also colour mixing palette (and that one is amazing. ), also brush tracking.


    I still wish painter had a huge code clean-up and was working faster, but as a painting tool, it's my choice. I use PS a lot, but that's for texturing and colour correction.
    I can, but strongly dislike painting there.

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    @ikken : (max payne pill sound)

    don't force me to continue to school you on the history of "reihnesscaince" painting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by daeyeth View Post
    Did you just say Painter has a more digital approach to creating art than Photoshop? You do realize the image hose, pattern pens, and "stuff like that" are all things that Photoshop does too, right? Oh boy, lol
    Actually, Photoshop does not have a feature like an "image hose" brush.
    When you create a brush in photoshop, it converts it to black and white ( as a mask ). It doesn't preserve the color information.

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    since you can get painter 11 for 69 dollars since its "old" i think its a good program to have if you cant afford photoshop. I dont know about better or worse for painting, I think I like the behavior of photoshop better.

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    um..go..Paint Tool Sai?

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