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June 7th, 2006 #1
"God's Principles of Artistic Purpose" Download from my workshop...
Here is a PDF download of my "God's Principles of Artistic
Purpose" workshop where I was the guest speaker.
Print it out, read it over lunch, on your break or during your quiet
time. Just be sure to enjoy it and share your feedback:
"God's Principles of Artistic
Helping Creative People Discover Their Purpose:
Art Lessons From God!
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Ugh, I've always despised the self righteousness of this notion that god has supplied you with talent, and if you aren't a good christian and glorify god with your talent you've wasted your life and your talent.
God can sit on it and spin.
June 7th, 2006 #3
I've busted my ass to get to where I am, I'm not gifted with anything, and to say that implies that my hard work means nothing.
I've got a long ways to go yet and I won't get there by resting on the idea that I am unique in one way or another, or that god "chose" me to become an artist.
I'll do it by bustin my ass even more than what it took for me to get to where I am today.
Just my 2cents.
Last edited by Tyranx; June 8th, 2006 at 08:00 PM.
June 7th, 2006 #4
I was thinking the same. I don't feel I've been "given" anything... I've worked very hard to learn what I know now about art. And I don't even know all that much.
I also very much dislike when someone deigns to tell me that anything I'm doing is a misuse or waste of my effort. It's not your place to tell me if what I'm doing is a waste or misuse. That's up to me, my mentors and whatever company I'm working for.
Either that, or your god considers that I'm making appropriate use of the "talents" it "bestowed" on me by creating graphics for violent computer games. Heh.
June 7th, 2006 #5
June 7th, 2006 #6
If you had posted something extra with the PDf, such as "If you're a christian, here's something to read over...." or "My personal beliefs on art IE we should use it to help/inspire others, as the bible said..." than MAYBE you would have recieved a better response.
But you didn't. So you probably won't.
June 8th, 2006 #7
Can you put virii & Co. in .PDF files ?...
June 8th, 2006 #8
Wow, Tyranx, Chingwa, and MoP!
Ya know, there was nothing derogatory in this pdf file, yet you 3 felt it to be adult and appropriate to say mean things to tsnipes.
You could have come in to this thread, say, "this stuff doesn't apply to my beliefs," and left. But instead, you came into the thread, took everything personal, and shat all over tsnipes' beliefs for no good reason whatsoever.
This pdf looks like it's meant to be uplifting to those who believe in God. It takes art and relates it to passages in the bible. tsnipes thought he would be nice and share it, but he gets called self righteous and his god is told to "sit on it and spin?" Really mature.
If these were Bhuddist beliefs about art with Bhuddist passages relating to art, no one would get all huffy and offended.
Why don't you guys realize that some might take comfort in the idea that their talents are a gift from something/someone? There's no reason to get angry about that.
If you don't believe it, fine. Don't tell others' gods to fuck off. That is so incogitant, immature, and entirely INTOLERANT to beliefs different than yours. GROW UP.
June 8th, 2006 #9
I'm with magicgoo here. Tsipes and I couldn't be further apart philosophically/theologically in general, and on this particular issue in particular. But he has always been straightforward about his beliefs and intentions, and has never been combative or antagonistic in his posts. I think when you title something "God's Principles of Artistic Purpose" your viewpoint is pretty clear. Those who are interested or intrigued can read the post, download the pdf, etc. Those who aren't don't have to.
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June 8th, 2006 #10
It's always fascinating when beliefs are projected here (or in most places on the internet, I suspect). There will generally be folks whose beliefs are strong enough and counter to such a degree that they will feel compelled to respond with their own beliefs. Sometimes with anger.
It's almost like watching people's reactions when a bee buzzes around them. Some will remain still and watch, while others will try out for the Funky Chicken Olympics and sprout several more limbs to flail about and give that sound you get from a '72 Matador when its alternator belt freezes up.
It makes me wonder what would happen were we all sitting in the same room, with just a couple pieces of pizza left and the credits rolling on that Magnum PI when Rick and TC dress up like girls.
Makes me wonder...
June 8th, 2006 #11Originally Posted by dogfood
That´s prone to happen, and actually is more often than you think, only with religion and politics people start to take it in a higher degree.
All though I see magicgoo´s point, is sort of hard to ask people to act mature, specially when cronologicaly they are not suppose to be. People will come faster and stronger when they see a topic or post they completely disagree on. For example, magicgoo just did something similar in a lesser and more justifyed degree. (but just by a tiny bit from what Tyranx and MoP wrote)
But still, all is bitter in religion and politics...My personal opinion is that tsnipes sig is just enought for the ones who are interested.
Edit: forgot to add=
-I want you to apply the "if you don´t agree, dont post anything" logic in another context.
-I want you to imagine what would happen if this was a post about the Coran.
-A friendly reminder, peoples different opinions about religion will be most of the time offensive to one another, because thats how religion works, don´t be surprized.
Last edited by Shamagim; June 8th, 2006 at 04:56 PM.
June 8th, 2006 #12
hmmm i actually have NO idea what your point was Dog FOod but incredibly funny as always.
i think you have grouped tyranx and Mop's post in a little unfairly with chingwa's post magicgoo...(now theres a senstence i never thought i'd say)...chingwa took it to the next level by insulting and disrespecting a relgion where it was un-called for, tyranx and Mop in my opinion were only defending where they believe they had been personally attacked. I come out with the same response if my friend tells me im a 'natural artist' theres nothing at all natural about my abilitie, it came about by hours of drawing and as tyranx says will only improve with hours more, I personally have often been told what Tsnipes have posted, i come from a family with parents who are minsiters a sister in a youth chorus and a brother in training to be a minister,over the years i have learnt to keep my head down bite my tongue and recognise that these words are not ment as an attack but simply my familys way of, as best they know, trying to help me but i can understand how tyranx and Mop feel this is simply a personal attack, it all comes down to personal experience with this sort of theory.
ah golly will you just look at all those spelling mistakes?
June 8th, 2006 #13
Typical anti-Christian responses... Gezzz, can't we all be friends.
I don't spellcheck...