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    haha, nice!

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    IMO "Natural Talent", as in, the artistic skill one is born with- does not exist. I believe "Talent" is the ability for one to realize things... Picasso, when he was young, had ALOT of Talent.. not to say he was "really good at art (Cause he was), but to say, He knew how to do things that other people his age couldn't.
    We all know that it comes down to hard work that makes the artist, but that dedication and willingness to learn also kinda ties in with Talent I think.

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    I agree that no one is born with natural talent, but everyone has the potential. The skills are gained by learning and practicing.

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    I think that, your imagination and your eyes speak two different languages. Over time your eyes will start picking up on the language your imagination is speaking. This would allow you to translate your imagination, into something visualy on a piece of paper..

    Purely opinion from a complete newbie. (Just what I think is up)

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    Well, I've had more time to think about this. "I would think of a spectacular image to draw but when my pen touches the paper then I end up drawing crap". What this sentence says is that you cannot translate what you see into the terms of pictures.
    When drawing we are searching for equivalencies, concepts that are similar to the thing we see, and marks that are similar to the thing we see.
    A sphere is an idea that looks like a ball, dark marks can look like an area in darkness. Either way it's a translation. We can't draw well unless we have a system. Forms are conceptual tools, marks are the ways we represent these abstactions.
    A ball, a head, a wheel, all these belong to the class of "round", so I would think of them in terms of round forms, and draw them with round marks. Bricks, buildings, boxes belong to the class of "block", I'd think of them in terms of block forms and draw them with straight marks. Having preconstructed types makes it easier and faster to draw, since now we don't have to start from scratch but begin already partly finished, modifying the types as nessessary with design principles.
    The whole purpose of drawing from a real image is to learn how to use these tools properly, find a personal language and the medium that most closely fits that language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armando
    Well, I've had more time to think about this. "I would think of a spectacular image to draw but when my pen touches the paper then I end up drawing crap". What this sentence says is that you cannot translate what you see into the terms of pictures.
    When drawing we are searching for equivalencies, concepts that are similar to the thing we see, and marks that are similar to the thing we see.
    A sphere is an idea that looks like a ball, dark marks can look like an area in darkness. Either way it's a translation. We can't draw well unless we have a system. Forms are conceptual tools, marks are the ways we represent these abstactions.
    A ball, a head, a wheel, all these belong to the class of "round", so I would think of them in terms of round forms, and draw them with round marks. Bricks, buildings, boxes belong to the class of "block", I'd think of them in terms of block forms and draw them with straight marks. Having preconstructed types makes it easier and faster to draw, since now we don't have to start from scratch but begin already partly finished, modifying the types as nessessary with design principles.
    The whole purpose of drawing from a real image is to learn how to use these tools properly, find a personal language and the medium that most closely fits that language.
    you nailed it on the head perfectly....i feel that way tooo

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    I can't take credit for all of it, most of it is taken from E.H. Gombrich's "Art and Illusion", just my interpretation of it, it was hard as hell to condense it into that though.

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    you have to learn to really "looK" at what you imagine.

    imagine something
    really observe what you imagine
    draw it

    the conversion is the hard part, from imagined memory >visual memory>to drawn images

    the last translation is the stinker

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    http://www.amateur.org.uk/ior/ior.htm, it's not porn by the way. Am I the only one who agrees with this, are all of you geniuses who can scrutinize their imagination, and I'm the only simpleton who has it disappear when I shut my eyes and try to analyse it? Thinking is something we do, to analyse it we have to stop doing it, it will always be under the radar, guiding us by vague feelings. Even if it was clear, it changes so much to be unscrutinizable, there would be no way to get one clear picture, not to mention all the non-pictorial ways of thinking there are. Pictures are used to show ideas, not all ideas are in essence pictorial, concentrating hard on those types of ideas would again be useless.

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    Hi - I find I have a similar problem to Chronologic, the ideas come, but I can't get them down on paper - even with all the brilliant advice I still find I draw a blank (pun intended). People say I have 'talent' and can draw a fairly good portrait, especially if I copy it from a photo, but thats about it! More than once I have thought of giving up entirely, but I still have the 'want' to draw and improve.

    Also, I don't know about anyone else, but when do you fit all that practice in? What with work, family and everything else, there just isn't enough hours in the day! Does anyone find this as well?

    Any advice on how to move forward?

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    I wake up at six, get ready for school, go to school, get home at 2:45, do homework, then do dishes, and I usually have alot of freetime left. But most of my drawing is done late at night when I'm alone.

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    spiderwebby, there's a pretty cool exercise you can do to build up your "draw-from-imagination" skills. Draw one of your portraits using a reference (use a simple angle and mainly lines, something you can do in 10-20 minutes). Then try to draw the exact same thing without the reference. This will show you what you need to really pay attention to and will quickly teach you the forms and anatomy once you start building on your personal visual library.

    Pix, my brother, covet your free time. Revel in it. Squeeze the juice out of it and lick its stickiness off your forearms and fingers. Buy it an ice cream and roll naked in it. Love and stroke it and play Vivaldi for it in the park.

    Because growing up often means having it surgically removed.

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    fucking wow: covet your free time. Revel in it. Squeeze the juice out of it and lick its stickiness off your forearms and fingers. Buy it an ice cream and roll naked in it. Love and stroke it and play Vivaldi for it in the park.

    thats a work of art in itself! haha, best CA quote in existence!


    its my new sig you sweet, sweet ass bitch!

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    learning to "look" at what you are imagining in your head is the exact WRONG way to go about it. you should be putting loose, expressive marks down on the paper. the imagination part comes in when you look at those marks and you "imagine" that one of those sweeping lines you put down might look something like a flexed arm or a sea monsters tentacle, ect. you use your imagination to react to those marks and build something recognizable.

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    That's great advice Evidence.

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    Thanks for the good advice, it has at least got me drawing again

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    I got over this problem just recently and I will begin posting drawings again. Wait soon...

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    good to hear

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    Start listening to less stressfull music. Less thrash metal, more Frank Sinatra. Then instad of just trying to draw what you're imagining, do a few studies of something similar, get them looking good, and thus you feeling confident bout what you want to draw, and youll have a lot more success when it comes to drawing it from the imagination.

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    The reason is because when you draw from life, you are drawing based on a HUGE amount of visual data that is being passed to you by your eyes. When you imagine a visual, the data you have to work with is a very small fraction of what it would be if it was in real life. Those who are best at working from their head, have lots and lots of practice. That is, they can make up for the little data they have to work with because they know how to fill in the gaps, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnz View Post
    isn`t it the main factor that it is so involving? no matter who you are... you have the same chances to be the best...

    ad. main question: i have to repeat what was already said.. practise! try to copy pics of somebody and make your own shape, your own line... just feel this...
    what if your touched in the head cant cant focus cant concentrate on complex things like your mind has fog in it (plus you failed speech in school!!).
    simple mined

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    huh...?

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    well it appears that that person has some how been screwed up in the soul or mind before or after birth by the ....gods??? or something???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkdev View Post
    I agree that no one is born with natural talent, but everyone has the potential. The skills are gained by learning and practicing.
    i don't believe that ,i think some people can't help their touch inthe head and can only do so much its sorta like being retarded except your just intellgent enough to do daily routines .........(subretarded?????)

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    you created an account to ressurrect a 5 year old thread, by saying that? strange...

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