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    water-mixable oils....

    I am only using Artisan water-mixable Oils and I always asked myself if they are as good as real "oilcolors" or if I should safe my money and buy the real shit.
    So what do you and especially the experienced dudes over here think about that?
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    Never tried water-mixable since I was told to stay away by a number of artists.
    I was told they dont quite feel the same way as oils and can really ruin your brushes while being harder to clean.
    It couldnt hurt to buy a few real oils and see which one you prefer.
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    There's no reason to use water mixables. It's possible to use real oils even if you are dead set against using solvents (and there are really very few good reasons why you should be). Use what you have, but as you run out replace them with the real thing. And by the real thing, I mean a good, artist's grade paint. Part of the problem with water mixables is, since they're marketed towards amatures and hobbyists, they're not great paint in the first place.

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    Water mixable oils????? What the hell will think of next? Watercolor pencils!
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    well I kinda grew up with these water-mixable stuff, so I don't seem to have a clue about the pleasures of real oilpaint, so I'll try them. Too bad that I spend a fucking lot of money for that stuff.....

    Thanks for the replies, dudes!

    Elwell- one question: there are a number of companies wich say that their oilpaint is artist-quality( so do the companies who make these water mixable stuff), but how do I really know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfwalls
    What the hell will think of next? Watercolor pencils!
    In fact, those exist for quite some time now.
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    My dad gave me those same Artisan paints. I hate them, actually. They are really pastey and hard as a rock fresh out of the tube. You can't really "dip" your brush into them. You have to mash it in. They act more like acrylics, and don't go on smoothly. I use them for fast practice sketches now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloominati
    Elwell- one question: there are a number of companies wich say that their oilpaint is artist-quality( so do the companies who make these water mixable stuff), but how do I really know?
    Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. If a company makes two lines of paint, avoid the cheaper one. Prefessional quality paint lines will generally have a larger selection of colors, with more price variation from color to color.

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    I've been using the water mixable oils. The last time I had tried oils (years ago) I had a bad allergic reaction, so I tried these water-mixables since I like the mat feel they give. I never actually use water to thin them with. My brushes ARE hard to clean sometimes, can't get the oil out of them, even with the "Brush cleaner and restorer". It's a chore to clean them several times. And some of the paints are too thick, have to add some linseed oil to them to match consistency with the other colors. But these problems seem to be relative to regular oil problems?

    Anyway, after buying alllll these water-mixables, i'm wondering if i shouldn't have just tried some other brands instead?
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    If you're not actually mixing them with water, there's definitely no reason to use water mixables. You can clean any oil paint out of a brush using vegetable oil followed by soap and water.

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    oooo... vegetable oil. Thanks elwell... again, I never could find what was causing the allergic reaction, which is why I tried the watermixables. Seems like I read somewhere that a few percent of people are allergic to oil paints? But I have no clue what causes it, it's not the linseed oil.

    Edit: After doin some more googling, finding some new information I couldn't find a few years ago on the web...

    *Chromate pigments (chrome yellow and zinc yellow) may cause skin ulceration and allergic skin reactions (such as rashes).*

    This may have been it, in case anyone else has had the same problems.
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    If it was a skin reaction, it was probably turpentine. Fortunately, unless you're using natural resins, turps can be replaced with odorless mineral spirits (Turpenoid, Gamsol, etc) with little ill effect.

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    bowlin,
    i know a couple of people very sensitive to oil paints and thinners.
    one even wears plastic gloves while he works.

    sometimes odorless thinners are just that... "odorless".
    they are still just as bad for you, you just cant smell it.
    try using Gamsol,
    it evaporates 5 times slower than turpenoid, so it shouldn't be as bad.

    also, emphasize cleanliness.
    it drives me nuts when my students have paint all over their brush handles.
    be surgical about it.
    (i know i might not have done this myself at a.o.l., but i assure you it was because i was rushed)

    there is no need for you to actually be coming in contact with the paint.
    so, like elwell said, its more likely the thinner.
    if the gamsol doesn't do the trick, use just straight linseed oil to thin your paint.


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    as for water-soluables....i hate them.
    (but i hate acrylic too)
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