Kanye West Drawing (Time Lapse)

Join the #1 Art Workshop - LevelUpJoin Premium Art Workshop
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 51
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    26
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Kanye West Drawing (Time Lapse)

    I searched on here to see if it was discussed. But, I didn't find it, so here it is. The only question i have is what materials is he using? To me it looks like mixed media, charcoal and pencil? Also, I can't tell because of the grainy video but did he do a line drawing first? Because by the way he's going about the shading, it doesnt like someone who would do it one pass it looks like he already has a line drawing set.

    http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/04/kanyedraw.html

    Last edited by TwoBit_boy; April 10th, 2006 at 10:58 PM.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  


  2. Hide this ad by registering as a member
  3. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,085
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    He did do a line drawing first. You can see the fingers of the line drawing near the start, if he has the fingers drawn in I'd assume he drew the lines for everything lightly to begin with, just the video is too grainy for them to show up.

    And yes, the way he's doing the shading also shows that he has a line drawing in place.

    Looks like mixed media to me too, I would guess the same as you, charcoal and graphite, although I notice a pen is always close at hand on his desk. It's possible he's using ink for the darkest values, but I'm really not sure.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  4. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,994
    Thanks
    91
    Thanked 241 Times in 65 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Wow.

    He copied a picture in the most easily controlled medium.


    Trés Cuté Sketch Group
    magicgoo bluemech cwn annwn light dished
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  5. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    26
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I feel the same way you guys do. I mean maybe as practice, this was ok, but seriously what's the point in filming yourself?

    Thing is. I really shouldn't say anything, I'm not even to that point yet of being able to render well.

    I dont know, am I the only one that finds it a waist of time to copy a photograph exactly as it is? Because if I am I'll gladly shut my yap rightnow... maybe

    Actually this might be a good place to start bringing up the whole discussion on whther copying a photograph is good or not i dunno... Nah, probably not to many of those.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  6. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    2,105
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 515 Times in 187 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Why dont you guys check the Art lout oud thread? Nothing wrong with using a photograph as reff, even if it is to do a portrait. The guy didnt copy it, if he did hed put it in a xeroxmachine.
    Its still his enterpretation, and hes pretty damn good at shading too. Its almost as if because hes not a part of CA community you "diss" him (hehe)

    Last edited by timpaatkins; April 11th, 2006 at 04:04 AM.
    [url=http://galleryonefone.blogspot.com[/url] This would be my gallery in Sweden

    This would be my Pleine Air blog
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  7. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    26
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    OK I'm wrong. Good point Tim. I gotta keep an open mind about these things.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  8. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    san francisco
    Posts
    2,443
    Thanks
    100
    Thanked 98 Times in 47 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by timpaatkins
    Why dont you guys check the Art lout oud thread? Nothing wrong with using a photograph as reff, even if it is to do a portrait. The guy didnt copy it, if he did hed put it in a xeroxmachine.
    Its still his enterpretation, and hes pretty damn good at shading too. Its almost as if because hes not a part of CA community you "diss" him (hehe)
    Humans can be xerox machines, too. It's all good for practice, but it wouldn't be a very valid portfolio piece... he didn't shoot the reference himself, and he's trying his hardest to copy the photo as much as possible. No change in composition, no concept behind it...just a drawing of a photo. People who use ref succesfully are using it as something to guide their thought process without becoming too reliant on it to make their own decisions and changes.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  9. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    2,105
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 515 Times in 187 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Depends on what hes trying to do, doesnt it?

    [url=http://galleryonefone.blogspot.com[/url] This would be my gallery in Sweden

    This would be my Pleine Air blog
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  10. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,085
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Yeah, if he's trying to xerox it, he succeeded ... but like cotron implied, that's boring as hell, all it is an example of "technical" skill ... makes me wonder if that guy would be any good if you told him to draw a fully rendered piece straight out of his head.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  11. #10
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,351
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 120 Times in 71 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I've never been impressed by people that draw directly from photo reference.....it that wrong?

    My New Neglected Sketchbook
    You Ain't no Nina!.....

    "Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
    "My mind is made up. Don't confuse it with facts." -- Terence McKenna
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  12. #11
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    3,224
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    i am wonderfully underwhelmed

    Sketch Book
    rook-art.com
    Quote Originally Posted by dogfood
    Sarcasm sometimes grips me like an octopus helmet.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  13. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    2,105
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 515 Times in 187 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    You guys make me laugh...

    [url=http://galleryonefone.blogspot.com[/url] This would be my gallery in Sweden

    This would be my Pleine Air blog
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  14. #13
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Practically Sarasota.
    Posts
    3,282
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I'm with everyone else here. THe only reason I think he would film himself are
    A:Egotistical
    B;Someone didn't think he was drawing his drawings so he drew a drawing on film to show them.
    C:A "Process" to show how he works.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  15. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    2,105
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 515 Times in 187 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Yeah, its too bad Fred Flickstones tutorials are down, otherwise you could have posted how unimpressed you are that he copied (and showed how to) a couple of photographs.

    [url=http://galleryonefone.blogspot.com[/url] This would be my gallery in Sweden

    This would be my Pleine Air blog
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  16. #15
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    san francisco
    Posts
    2,443
    Thanks
    100
    Thanked 98 Times in 47 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    There's nothing wrong with using reference, by any means, I use it all the time, and so do the majority of professionals...it's a big help, and is often necessary. That's not the issue I was talking about. There's a difference between using a photo to get what you want out of it and mindlessly copying the thing.
    It's a good exercise to copy photos, but only to a point. Especially if it's not even your own photo you're using like that. If that guy was trying to show that drawing in his portfolio or if it got published, then the person who owns the copyright to that photo would have a problem with it. Taking your own photos and utilizing them like a tool to help you achieve what you intended from the start is the point of reference- but taking an image that isn't yours and not altering it in any meaningful way isn't making good art, it's making the same shit you see guys at stands on the street or in malls selling. There is a redundancy to copying a photo as closely as possible, as a camera will always do it better and faster. What makes a drawing/painting art is the thought process that goes into it to make it original and something that no machine can make.

    ps tim- fredflickstone was using the ref the way it's intended... taking his knowledge of anatomy/color/light and using the photo as a guide to make something that's obviously more than just a copied photo. ol' kanye is another story, though.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  17. #16
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,242
    Thanks
    33
    Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    he's obviously showing off.....thats about it.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  18. #17
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    2,105
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 515 Times in 187 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Yea, how dare he show off. unlike us CAers here.
    Have you asked the dude why/how/what knowlegde he is using while he is making his portrait? Why wouldnt he be using his knowlegde of light and shadow and applying it to his drawing? Have you actually seen Freds tutorials? Im amazed at how narrowminded you come off.
    He IS making choices everytime he puts down the pen to the paper. And so what is he is trying to make a perfect copy of a photo? What gives you the right to belittle his efforts? Why is it different to what Fred is showing in his tutorials, or someone doing a bargue from a photo? And who said anything about getting it published?
    Maybe he was using it as a valuestudy, who knows, and who cares.

    [url=http://galleryonefone.blogspot.com[/url] This would be my gallery in Sweden

    This would be my Pleine Air blog
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  19. #18
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,351
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 120 Times in 71 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Per Fred Flickstones

    The most important lesson I could pass on to another fellow artisan would be to keep your mind open and flexible. Techniques can be taught, and learned, but these techniques don't necessarily make you a good artist. Without vision the end goal is difficult to reach, obtain, or even find. Most art students hang their imagination up to learn the ways of the arts, and most of these students forget to go back to that imagination once they get out of art school, diluted with false impressions that the techniques they have just learned are the true meaning of art. This produces many proficient technicians in the arts, but doesn't produce many quality artists. You have to rekindle that imaginative side of the brain. This is where you will find your most creative thoughts and ideas. Art techniques are only tools. They are not the end means to success in art or the only way to create art.
    http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,205

    My New Neglected Sketchbook
    You Ain't no Nina!.....

    "Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
    "My mind is made up. Don't confuse it with facts." -- Terence McKenna
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  20. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    521
    Thanks
    73
    Thanked 49 Times in 26 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I'm with timpaatkins. It shows that he has some skills. He's adding values in that disceted way. I don't think that is that easy to do and still have a consistent work.
    The video shows that he has some knowledge about values and a good hand-eye coordination. And some people here react as if he's killing babies.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  21. #20
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,351
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 120 Times in 71 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    And some people here react as if he's killing babies.
    I get that impression all the time.

    My New Neglected Sketchbook
    You Ain't no Nina!.....

    "Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
    "My mind is made up. Don't confuse it with facts." -- Terence McKenna
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  22. #21
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,242
    Thanks
    33
    Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    jeez what a way to pull out your tampon and throw it in my face......but yeah you're right I do feel stupid for saying that

    Last edited by Kresh; April 11th, 2006 at 10:20 AM.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  23. #22
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    England
    Posts
    486
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Damn, I expected Kanye West doing a drawing, not somebody drawing Kanye West.

    and I don't care wether he's copying it or not. It still takes a certain level of skill and attention to detail, even if its not as impressive to watch. I've always been curious as to what it would be like to watch me draw, watching as a sketch developes from start to finish. It has nothing to do with showing off imo.

    We'll ride the spiral to the end, we may just go where no one's been
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  24. #23
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Practically Sarasota.
    Posts
    3,282
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by timpaatkins
    Yeah, its too bad Fred Flickstones tutorials are down, otherwise you could have posted how unimpressed you are that he copied (and showed how to) a couple of photographs.
    I didn't mean I was unimpressed, I meant that filming yourself and having it get onto (Not going to say he put it there, not sure if he did or not) EBW doesn't serve much of a purpose.

    If I know any better, the thousands of kids who flock to EBW will be like "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH." The few artists in our school get it all the time, no matter what they do.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  25. #24
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Lyon
    Posts
    465
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 20 Times in 16 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I think that doing Barque drawing is the same than copying pictures and make it photorealistic, but nobody never complains about Barque drawings right? Cause it teaches you rendering and measuring stuff, so I guess it can be the same with pictures copy.

    SKETCHBOOK: Darkos Darkroom // BLOG: darkos asylum
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  26. #25
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Practically Sarasota.
    Posts
    3,282
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Only if you are using the Sight-size technique. Bargue is about more than just value and patience. It's about being annoyingly accurate. Doing that with a photo kinda stinks, because photos are completley 2d, and not meant to be drawn, especially not for at LEAST 12+ hours. Bargue plates' sole purpose is to be recopied for practice.

    So no, it's not the same.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  27. #26
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,085
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Lightbulb

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixeldragoon
    Only if you are using the Sight-size technique. Bargue is about more than just value and patience. It's about being annoyingly accurate. Doing that with a photo kinda stinks, because photos are completley 2d, and not meant to be drawn, especially not for at LEAST 12+ hours. Bargue plates' sole purpose is to be recopied for practice.

    So no, it's not the same.
    Listen to yourself, please.
    Doing a Bargue drawing from life is pretty much identical to copying a photograph. Hang up a photograph of a sculpted head 5 feet in front of you, and draw it. Put the real sculpted head 5 feet in front of you, and draw it. What's the difference? Bugger all, except maybe you'd get some glare off the photo if it was on glossy paper.
    Like you said, it's about being annoyingly accurate. You can do that with a Bargue drawing or a photograph, in the end it's just copying a still image and getting the shapes and volumes as accurate as possible.
    Why are we even talking about this?

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  28. #27
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Lyon
    Posts
    465
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 20 Times in 16 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Thx Mop, that's what I wanted to say in my crappy English!

    SKETCHBOOK: Darkos Darkroom // BLOG: darkos asylum
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  29. #28
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    1,860
    Thanks
    77
    Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    looks like he traced the lines from the photo. the first photo looks the same size as the drawing. also, his application of the charcoal (section by section) is uncool

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  30. #29
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,085
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Yeah Denart, I was a bit suspect that the sizes were identical too. It's not too difficult to copy shading when you have perfectly accurate lines bounding your areas of light and shadow.

    The guy should record another video, only this time not using any reference, and just making up a photo-real head and rendering it out like that.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  31. #30
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    534
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    The only thing i'm really "against" in this one is that it seems as though he's showing off, otherwise, if he's just trying to work on his technical drawing skill, i see nothing wrong with it. If anything, to me this is just him practicing and there seems to be nothing wrong with that. But both sides are correct in this one in some way or another.

    Denart, i don't quite understand what you were saying about his charcoal technique being uncool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Denart
    looks like he traced the lines from the photo. the first photo looks the same size as the drawing. also, his application of the charcoal (section by section) is uncool
    That does seem kinda shitty if he traced those lines, but i was wondering what you meant by his application of charcoal being "uncool." I don't have much experience with charcoal; so, i don't really know how your "suppose" to work with it. Now let me at least add that Anthony Ryder when shading, actually prefers to migrate accross the form concentrating on only one area at a time (although not quite like this), and he's a Living Master according to ARC (sorry, i'm not trying to start some ARC debate). Oh btw, is this charcoal that he's using for sure?

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 0

There are no members to list at the moment.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • 424,149 Artists
  • 3,599,276 Artist Posts
  • 32,941 Sketchbooks
  • 54 New Art Jobs
Art Workshop Discount Inside
Register

Developed Actively by vBSocial.com
The Art Department
SpringOfSea's Sketchbook